Toxic Masculinty

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Evidence, please? And no, statistical studies don't count because first and foremost there are always outliers. Secondly, what actual percentage of the female population participated in this survey? Thirdly, given that women keep telling me again and again that they flirt with people they're not interested in what proof do you have that they're lying? When I was younger I actually had women flirt with me and one of em happened to be single(she was friends with a friend of mine). I pursued her but she shied off and it was obvious that she wasn't into me and felt embarrassed that she gave me the wrong idea. You keep citing statistical studies that make claims which I've heard a million times before but when I actually test these claims I keep running into counterexamples...... And guess what, some women actually ARE dumb which is why they act that way. Others are simply delusional and do dumb things. But apparently you cannot distinguish between those who are putting on an act and those who actually are what they appear to be.




In the case of my ex-gf, it was hardly beneficial of her to lie to me about wanting sex because at the time, her sex drive was actually stronger than mine. She believed that because she was employed at the time we met, she'd get paid maternity leave so she wasn't gonna need a partner to provide for her and her yet-to-be-born-at-the-time son since she planned to return to work after being absent for a year and even do work from her apartment. She figured that her being pregnant would be a long term turn-off to most men so in her words she might as well live it up and have *fun* before she got so big that her pregnancy would be too obvious to conceal. She never envisioned us being together in the long term as she still had feelings for her first bf of 9 years but we totally fell for each other despite the fact that being lifelong partners was totally unrealistic.

You're gonna argue that she wanted a provider, which eventually she did but that wasn't until she lost her job and went broke and had to go on welfare + food stamps. She was exceedingly irrational. Don't believe me? Well, it's no skin off my big gentleman sausage! You're seeking out confirmation of your worldview and will try to explain away every counterexample that fits it. Get out once in a while and meet some REAL people! And not just prudes who lie about their sexual desires(or lack thereof).

Translation: "no actual scientific evidence because it won't tell me what I want to hear". Whatever, dude...




Yeah, cool story, brah. Unfortunately, that still only gives me your word to go on, and little else. And since your word seems to run counter to my own observations as well as scientific research, you'll pardon me if I take it with a grain of salt.



No, I don't. Also I don't actually need to look very far to find confirmation of my worldview, since I base my worldview on my own observations of the reality around me, rather than the other way around like some people.

Your own observations, eh? Funny how you don't even give me one single account of an actual observation IRL in the place that you live. Just more statistical studies you got from Mr Google. And from a scientific standpoint, you CANNOT prove anything with statistics! Correlation does not imply causality, dontcha know?

Sounds more like you're an armchair social theorist than a person who has had any semblance of a life where you talk to real people and hear what they have to say.

I don't because personal observations and experiences that cannot be possibly be confirmed or disproved make for very poor evidence in any serious debate. I mean, if I tried to use something that happened to me to prove my point, what would stop you from just going "Cool story, brah" and dismissing everything I said off-hand because I had no way of proving whether or not what I told you even happened or not... you know, basically what I'm doing to you.



Just because the studies and statistics don't tell you what you want to hear doesn't mean they weren't conducted properly or that they're not valid. You're wrong, just deal with it, ffs.

Sorry bub, it's teh tr00f

Then why are you still replying to me?



Yeah, but you ran AND lost. So you're not just a ret*d, you're also a loser.

Fixed

Didn't you just say I won though?

Nope I win

But, but.... but he said I won...

Please explain to me why there has been such a statistically significant rise in single motherhood in my country despite the fact that unlike your country, we really DON'T have an economic and social safety net in place for single mothers struggling to support their children despite the claims of diehard hicks who whine about "welfare queens".


And furthermore, in traditional Tlingit culture, children are raised by the mother where the other women from the community as well as the mothers blood relatives act as the provider rather than the father being the provider. When resources are scarce, what makes you think that daddy can provide things when they're aren't enough of them obtainable in the environment? It behooves small tribal communities to keep their population at a sustainable level and that means no letting fatherless babies die out. Particularly when they are competing groups in the nearby vicinity that could outbreed them.

I'm not and don't really want to be. don't think there's any shaming of men for wanting to be masculine. its actually the opposite. men are shamed for not being or not wanting to be masculine.

I keep being surprised this thread is still going. I thought for sure it would have stopped on page 2

Lazar_Kaganovich
making a ret*d joke on a forum for autistic people hmm. what made you think that was a smart move?

Probably the same thing that made him think using personal, unverifiable examples as "evidence" to support his points in a debate was a good idea.

Overmasculine people should kill themselves to make it easier for us to mate

no. that wouldn't' help anyways. women would still want masculine men.

just like people want lots of things that don't exist anymore.

Reported message has been removed. Also, please stop with the bickering otherwise this thread might get locked.