Why do Normies always blame men for their lack of dating?

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13 Sep 2017, 3:43 pm

hurtloam wrote:

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^ Don't get me wrong. I'm not completely devoid of sympathy, but, at the same time, I'm not going to twist myself into knots over it.

I get that, it's exhausting to care for people who are voluntarily choosing self-defeat. I might feel more motivated because I've gotten as close as holding the glass, I just realized it was poison before taking a sip. I figure I'm more likely to hear peers as they go down this road while women are more likely to have dealt with the consequences of this sort of thinking.

I'm not sure what the consequences look like. I've only known one man to be open about his sympathy lying toward the red pill way. I don't see him much anymore anyway because I've moved away. I can't really message him and say, "so what's up with this red pill thing? Why are you reading up on that?" He seems really shy and is single as far as I gather, so I can see him being the type to look for answers. He's also heavily into reading up on evolutionary theory so I could be appealing to him. I just don't want him thinking he's not as good as loud extrovert guys.

I haven't been mistreated in real life because of it. I find men to be so commitment phobic that they are careful not to make any move around me at all. But that could be shyness. I know one guy that I really liked and he had been knocked back and dumped several times over and I guess his self esteem was shot. I doubt he reads this stuff, but I couldn't find a way to reassure him. I maybe just wasn't right for him, who knows.

But I do think that more sensitive men don't want to make a move in case they get a bad reputation. Deep down they want something real, but they don't want to wreck friendships and they don't want to be seen as only being after sex, so things go no where with women because the women won't make a move because they are expecting him to and he won't make a move because her signals aren't obvious enough and it all falls apart.

But that's not the fault of the red pill websites. It's sweet guys who don't want to be seen in a bad light. I guess the red pill sites are trying to get them to own their masculinity and to a certain extent that's a good thing. Be more bold and make moves.

I'm rambling again. I'm so tired.

I hope you understand what I mean. Being a dude is hard, I get that. But don't fall into bitterness along your journey. Not everyone is out to trip you up and ruin you.

It's hard, but most of us manage. I seem to be making it work, maybe because I'm not drowning in paranoia and misogyny. Maybe because I've always had enough female friends that even when that stuff had some appeal it never actually seemed true because I already understood most of the assumptions were flawed.

We've got a few posters here showing the consequences of drowning in it. Just observe from a distance - that's what it looks like.

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13 Sep 2017, 3:56 pm

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^ Don't get me wrong. I'm not completely devoid of sympathy, but, at the same time, I'm not going to twist myself into knots over it.

I got you wrong then.

Telling people to rot didn't seem that sympathetic to me. Just my opinion though.

Why in the world should I waste time fretting over the opinions of a bunch of dweebs who write-me-off and vilify me based on the fact I was born with a vagina?

I've already debated this nonsense to death. Not gonna over exert myself ever time an "incel/red pill/MGTOW/whatever" he-man woman-hater shows up to hide behind a computer screen and take pot-shots at the female sex.

I didn't say you had to, I just said you didn't strike me as all that sympathetic.

I honestly don't get why you have to throw a bunch of insults at me. If you met me in real life, I highly doubt you would ever call me a "dweeb".

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13 Sep 2017, 4:08 pm

Why should you care about these strangers and try to seek approval from strangers? Aspergers or not, you should not try to seek approval from strangers over stuff like this.

What if I treated this dating girlfriend business like being unfortunate for not being rich, would any of you want to be around me?

Anyone has the right to be negative about you behind your back. Instead of focusing on what other people would think of me if I hadn't go out dating, focus on doing the things that do matter. If these friends only want to be your friends to see if you'll end up cool like them, chances are they aren't going to stay long and may get bored of you easily, or perhaps argumentative and resentful when you do better than them, or most of all which I think is 99% correct, not going to care either way really.

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13 Sep 2017, 5:22 pm

I think the most important thing to remember in threads like these is the Simple Rick commercial.

That commercial made me feel something inside that I want that we all probably and what stems all this relationship talk.

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13 Sep 2017, 8:29 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:

hurtloam wrote:

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hurtloam wrote:

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Hurt, thank you for explaining (i can actually follow this thread now!)

If red pill is reality and blue pill is delusion, I would think red pill would be better in all cases (even in the matrix; wasn't that the point?).

Ah yes but what if the person handing you the red pill is deluded and is only offering a further distorted version of reality?

I think the red pill community relies on studies like this one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ealth.html instead of what individuals say.

They think from big data perspective and judge the genders based on that.

That's not just it though. There's more to the red pill world than that. I'd say most NTs are focussed on material things. It's kind of obvious that money is a huge motivator.

But do most of us here want to live like that? I don't. I'd rather sidestep that rat race and have a peaceful life.

Yeah back to my point about what the red pill world is about. Focussing intensely on the negative. Taking the worst of society and applying it to all society and becoming bitter and fearful of affection because it could end in pain.

I actually know a lot of women who live like that too strangely enough. Who won't take a chance on trusting another because they've been burned or they've been told they'll get burned.

That's not what it is about at all. It's about examining human behaviour and trying to figure out the truth. It just so happens that the truth seems to be quite "negative". I try not to view it as negative though.. You could say that it's quite negative that lions kill other animals, but that's what lions do, most of us don't have any emotional attatchment to the behaviour of lions. It just merely is.

You surely can't deny the fact that there are young men out there that are taking this information and fuelling their fears and making those fears worse. All they expect now is to be ill treated, lied to and tricked by women.

Even if you don't feel that way yourself, you can see comments like that on this forum and on red pill websites. "Don't get too involved with a woman because she'll just leech off your resources and dump you and leave you with nothing," seems to be a recurring theme.

Personally, I'm fine with that.

Red Pill dweebs can take their pseudo-science and rot.

I'm not a gold-digger. My mother isn't a gold-digger. Most women I know aren't gold-diggers. The men who want to hide on the internet and accuse women of being manipulative harpies because they won't "put out" don't deserve wives/girlfriends.

That's the kind of misandry that is not only allowed but promoted by WP, folks. If this doesn't concern you, nothing will get you to take the red pill.

Really, with women like this, how can anyone say MGTOW is depressing? I'm fine with letting their 72 cats pick at their corpses.

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13 Sep 2017, 8:45 pm

Just saying gold digger is the extreme. But the point people are making here is many modern day men are frustrated it seems with the current dating situation. Women do have a strong control on who they date, and wet her you want to argue if that's good or bad is for you but what is known is that if someone who CONSISTENLY by today's own data from online sites is stating that 80% I think it was of the population is undatable while the top 20 is that's not healthy by any means.

What's a better foundation 1-10s dating 8 and up? Or 1-10 dating a number equal or 2-3 less than them.

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13 Sep 2017, 9:22 pm

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So, your endless, hysterical misogyny isn't an issue, but someone calling out the misogynist recruiting activists is actually misandry? There comes a point where even people who started off sympathetic towards you won't be able to bring themselves to speak in your defence.

There is an upside for humanity though, no one's going to be subjected to your toxic personality.

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13 Sep 2017, 9:32 pm

All I've gotten out of this thread is that most pill pushers are basically Marxists that equate relationships to some bizarre form of genetic economics that they can't conclusively prove exist. If you're looking at other people through that type of critical lense there's a reason you're not getting dates, and it has nothing to do with status it's due to the fact you're an a**hole.

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13 Sep 2017, 10:22 pm

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That's the kind of misandry that is not only allowed but promoted by WP, folks. If this doesn't concern you, nothing will get you to take the red pill.

Don't be surprised. This site has become a bastion of feminism; which is ironic, since it's men who usually have AS. You joined in 2012; that's 7 years after I did. So you missed the good old days, when this site was welcoming to everybody, not just women. At the same time, PUA, Red Pill's predecessor, started in early 2000's. I use this site barely 10% as much as before, because mods on here have an anti-male bias. For the most part, I migrated over to NT-oriented social support sites, and my Red Pill account.

What women don't realize is how good they have it: they're playing the game of life on god mode and don't even realize it. At least when it comes to dating, relationships, and marriage. Still, even Star Mario dies if he falls into a pit.

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13 Sep 2017, 10:46 pm

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That's the kind of misandry that is not only allowed but promoted by WP, folks. If this doesn't concern you, nothing will get you to take the red pill.

I think that's what bothers me the most about the entire subject, its not that women do have it better in the dating market it's that it's like the brain turns off and just ignores it. I don't know if it's because im Autistic or what, but in regards to HRT, and trans lifestyle my brain has not turned off. I can clearly see myself being an emotional f**k and choose to let it dictate my actions or believe my emotions are on a 10 as a result of my hormones. The wierd part is I have met legit other trans people who ACTUALLY let the 10 control their life. They actually tell me to my face I feel as if he is right for me and I'm like 0.0. Idk.

I would have more respect for women as a whole if they could look at the facts and go like, yeah we have it better eh ok rather than no we dont. As far as "DATING" goes women, hell even trans women who some men couldn't be bothered with have it better. If that's not saying anything idk what is.

But I will add this, the idea that a person could honestly love me for me out of loyalty and past actions feels foreign to me now. I KNOW I used to feel pre HRT, that loyalty and past actions should define just how much someone cares but, now I can't quite do that. I suspect it's because of brain changes because I do know it changes neurological structure. But yeah, I just remember what it's like to believe that with all my heart but at this point I don't think it's possible which is scary in a sense.

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14 Sep 2017, 12:36 am

Aristophanes wrote:

Yup. It does seem like a cognitive dissonance to me. Trying to make sense of the world because one doesn't fit in, therefore calling the game rigged and assigning women the role of evil puppet masters.

It would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.

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14 Sep 2017, 12:55 am

hurtloam wrote:

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That's the extreme. No reason to jump to that. Making sense of the world isn't the goal, it's just to find the patterns and make a theory based of it. Women are not evil puppet masters, however what they have the potential to be is ignorant of their own and other women's potential. What I mean by that is typically women have this thing where they will say not all women are like that. This is true, but all women posess the potential to be like that.

I don't find it amusing the current state of the dating scene, I find it sad and wish it would self repair without the government stepping in.

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14 Sep 2017, 1:08 am

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Calling a few users dweebs isn't misandry. It's not even a loaded word. It's a playground insult from the 90s.

Can't you see that then going to talk about the dead corpses of those who disagree with you takes your defence a step too far.

Reel it in and stop focussing on the name calling and state your case for why the philosophy you subscribe to makes your life better. Does it? Or have you become more bitter and disillusioned? This is a genuine question. I'm not throwing shade.

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14 Sep 2017, 1:11 am

Aspie1 wrote:

What women don't realize is how good they have it: they're playing the game of life on god mode and don't even realize it. At least when it comes to dating, relationships, and marriage. Still, even Star Mario dies if he falls into a pit.

What's about this life on god mode? I don't get it.

I want to learn this cheat too :lol:

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14 Sep 2017, 1:28 am

hurtloam wrote:

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As far as having many relationships ships like normies mgrow and redpill explains clearly how to effectively manipulate the female brain (this is what GAME is something expect men to have to keep their attention btw) a majority of the time to get sex or a short term relationship out of young women. Redpill is content with this being a natural way of life and MGTOW is disgusted that it CLEARLY works and women continue to fall to it let alone never change and learn really.

The idea that society at thus point is this fucke up and no one talks about it just says it is because it is gives MGTOW the reason to go their own way. Because being a part of the rest just doesn't make sense/seem worth it to them. It's a peace of mind when you leave the pack.

And again this all starts with feelings. I'll say it again until women can rationalize feelings are lies not to be followed and follow logic and reasoning the line between both sees will continue to be deep.

He shouldn't just know you should tell him is what I always say.

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14 Sep 2017, 1:50 am

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Don't be surprised. This site has become a bastion of feminism; which is ironic, since it's men who usually have AS.

It's usually men who are diagnosed with AS, let's not confuse the two.

On top of a historically sexist research bias (most early autism specialists only studied boys), there's also the oft-ignored financial barriers to diagnosis. If you're able to afford a psychiatrist and the gas money to get to the office (since they mostly operate out of larger cities, in white neighborhoods), odds are high you'll get some quack who fails to recognize your ASD, maybe because she's a rookie who buys into the myth that "mostly men have it." Or maybe she just thinks you're a perfectly average Arab girl, because she grew up in a gated community and you're the first brown patient she's ever had. Or maybe you're a textbook aspie white guy and she clocks you as autistic within ten seconds of hearing you talk. There's all kinds of variables, and even veteran professionals are still human, prone to bias. So even if you have the privilege (yeah, I said it) of making it to the clinic, what are the odds you get diagnosed? And can you afford a second, third, fourth opinion?

I had to visit three different psychiatrists before I was diagnosed. With no insurance, and only a minimum wage fast food job since I was still in high school.

Don't give me that "women have it easy" bullsh** cuz I ain't having it.

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