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04 Oct 2017, 5:31 am

Okay, 1/3. My experience doesn't quite match. Wait, I forgot one who had her stepfather sent to jail. Confirmation bias in action?

Anyway, 2/3 going unreported doesn't seem like cause for celebration. Nor does 1 in 10 men committing rape during or before college.


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04 Oct 2017, 5:36 am

It doesn't make sense at all.

Also just from my subjective experience, I have known ALOT of men, and have had alot of male friends. I have never ever met a rapist, or even someone who didn't think rape is a disgusting crime. You'd think I would have, if 35% of males are rapists...



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04 Oct 2017, 5:40 am

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Unfortunately, Boo, lots of people know about these stats. It doesn't mean that one in six men are rapists. It's more like one in ten, based on their responses to a survey.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... l-rapists/

[quote[\]In a paper published Monday in JAMA Pediatrics, a group of sexual assault researchers led by Kevin Swartout, an assistant professor of psychology at Georgia State University, used longitudinal data to track more than 1,000 male students at two southeastern universities over four years. Using the FBI’s definition of rape, the researchers found a higher proportion of men — 10.8 percent of the total sample, nearly twice as high as the Lisak/Miller study — who would be considered rapists. This suggests that the problem is far more widespread than the older study indicated.
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They found that of the 105 men who admitted to rape in that sample, 37 percent fell into the “decreasing” trajectory (39 men), which meant that they admitted to rape in high school but didn’t report continuing to rape throughout college (the vast majority — 87 percent — of this group committed rape during one or fewer college years). Eighteen percent of the self-reported rapists (19 men) fell into the “increasing” trajectory, which meant that all but two did not begin committing rape until they arrived at college (nearly all of this group committed rape in multiple college years, primarily as sophomores, juniors and seniors). Most (75 percent) of the men who admitted to rape during college did so during one year.


Women don't really have an irrational fear of strange men.


These numbers are so far from the BJS numbers, which is a very governmental reliable source.

But...let's consider that the Swartout's are real and accurate: 37 out of 105 men, meaning about 35% of men are rapists, let's consider male population of US 323/2 =161.5 , that means there are 56 millions men who committed rape in the US, let alone those who did other types of sex crimes (ie. harassment, catcalls...etc).
If they are raping 1/4 of women, that means there are about 40 millions women in the US been who have raped, let alone the victims of other sex crimes.

Logically, this should cause way more massive anti-rape women-protests and sit-ins in the country, even more than what happened in India; it would cause a total civilian unrest and boycotting of many sorts from women against politicians, organizations..etc .... the hell, that may even lead to women taking arms and a kind of armed civil war between women and men would be erupted.

Just pause for a second and think of the magnitude of these numbers.


It's 105 out of 1000, so around 1 in ten. The 1 in 4 number is bad science reporting; the study authors reject that generalization from their study. 1 in 6 women in the US being sexually assaulted seems more likely.

Yes, the lack of response seems weird. Of course, DKE still exists.


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04 Oct 2017, 5:51 am

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jrjones9933 wrote:
Unfortunately, Boo, lots of people know about these stats. It doesn't mean that one in six men are rapists. It's more like one in ten, based on their responses to a survey.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... l-rapists/

[quote[\]In a paper published Monday in JAMA Pediatrics, a group of sexual assault researchers led by Kevin Swartout, an assistant professor of psychology at Georgia State University, used longitudinal data to track more than 1,000 male students at two southeastern universities over four years. Using the FBI’s definition of rape, the researchers found a higher proportion of men — 10.8 percent of the total sample, nearly twice as high as the Lisak/Miller study — who would be considered rapists. This suggests that the problem is far more widespread than the older study indicated.
...
They found that of the 105 men who admitted to rape in that sample, 37 percent fell into the “decreasing” trajectory (39 men), which meant that they admitted to rape in high school but didn’t report continuing to rape throughout college (the vast majority — 87 percent — of this group committed rape during one or fewer college years). Eighteen percent of the self-reported rapists (19 men) fell into the “increasing” trajectory, which meant that all but two did not begin committing rape until they arrived at college (nearly all of this group committed rape in multiple college years, primarily as sophomores, juniors and seniors). Most (75 percent) of the men who admitted to rape during college did so during one year.


Women don't really have an irrational fear of strange men.


These numbers are so far from the BJS numbers, which is a very governmental reliable source.

But...let's consider that the Swartout's are real and accurate: 37 out of 105 men, meaning about 35% of men are rapists, let's consider male population of US 323/2 =161.5 , that means there are 56 millions men who committed rape in the US, let alone those who did other types of sex crimes (ie. harassment, catcalls...etc).
If they are raping 1/4 of women, that means there are about 40 millions women in the US been who have raped, let alone the victims of other sex crimes.

Logically, this should cause way more massive anti-rape women-protests and sit-ins in the country, even more than what happened in India; it would cause a total civilian unrest and boycotting of many sorts from women against politicians, organizations..etc .... the hell, that may even lead to women taking arms and a kind of armed civil war between women and men would be erupted.

Just pause for a second and think of the magnitude of these numbers.


It's 105 out of 1000, so around 1 in ten. The 1 in 4 number is bad science reporting; the study authors reject that generalization from their study. 1 in 6 women in the US being sexually assaulted seems more likely.

Yes, the lack of response seems weird. Of course, DKE still exists.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUEq75i_z-A[/youtub]


Ok so I read wrong, so it's around 16 mil men are rapists and between 26 mil to 40 mil of women been raped (1 in 4 or in 6)..... pause and think of these nbrs.



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04 Oct 2017, 5:56 am

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1 in 6 women in the US being sexually assaulted seems more likely.

Maybe if you include catcalling and stupid sexual allusions to the statistics.


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04 Oct 2017, 6:01 am

Statistics are misandristic


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04 Oct 2017, 6:22 am

If these are true then just give me the authority to nuke Earth.



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04 Oct 2017, 6:26 am

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If these are true then just give me the authority to nuke Earth.

Talk to Kim.


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04 Oct 2017, 10:06 am

This was published in a study conducted by the National Institute of Justice and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Personally I don't believe a government organization should be held as a higher authority than nonprofits like RAINN, but a lot of guys on WrongPlanet apparently do, so... here.

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Using a definition of rape that included forced vaginal, oral, and anal sex, the survey found that 17.6 percent of surveyed women and 3.0 percent of surveyed men said they experienced a completed or attempted rape at some time in their life (see exhibit 3). Thus, 1 of 6 U.S. women and 1 of 33 U.S. men have been victims of a completed or attempted rape. Relatively few women and men reported they were victims of an attempted rape only. While 14.8 percent of surveyed women said they had experienced a completed rape, 2.8 percent said they had experienced an attempted rape only. Similarly, while 2.1 percent of surveyed men said they had experienced a completed rape, 0.9 percent said they had experienced an attempted rape only. These findings indicate that most rapists successfully penetrate their victims.


Now I just sit back and wait for someone to brainstorm another reason why the statistic is unreliable :roll:



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04 Oct 2017, 10:13 am

MushroomPrincess wrote:
This was published in a study conducted by the National Institute of Justice and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Personally I don't believe a government organization should be held as a higher authority than nonprofits like RAINN, but a lot of guys on WrongPlanet apparently do, so... here.

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Using a definition of rape that included forced vaginal, oral, and anal sex, the survey found that 17.6 percent of surveyed women and 3.0 percent of surveyed men said they experienced a completed or attempted rape at some time in their life (see exhibit 3). Thus, 1 of 6 U.S. women and 1 of 33 U.S. men have been victims of a completed or attempted rape. Relatively few women and men reported they were victims of an attempted rape only. While 14.8 percent of surveyed women said they had experienced a completed rape, 2.8 percent said they had experienced an attempted rape only. Similarly, while 2.1 percent of surveyed men said they had experienced a completed rape, 0.9 percent said they had experienced an attempted rape only. These findings indicate that most rapists successfully penetrate their victims.


Now I just sit back and wait for someone to brainstorm another reason why the statistic is unreliable :roll:


The problem I have is that instead of trying to find the most reliable source possible, you go out of your way to try and find the highest number you can.

I will stick to the BJS stats, as they strike me as being alot more realistic and reliable than a few unverified anonymous online surveys.



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04 Oct 2017, 10:19 am

Can you link to the original paper?
Yes, I prefer government or scientific sources over activist ones. Is there anything wrong with it?


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04 Oct 2017, 10:24 am

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Can you link to the original paper?
Yes, I prefer government or scientific sources over activist ones. Is there anything wrong with it?


Are 1/4 of your close female friends been raped? How many you know in % out of your friends?



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04 Oct 2017, 10:30 am

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Can you link to the original paper?
Yes, I prefer government or scientific sources over activist ones. Is there anything wrong with it?


Are 1/4 of your close female friends been raped? How many you know in % out of your friends?

No. Why do you quote my post with this question?


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04 Oct 2017, 10:33 am

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Can you link to the original paper?
Yes, I prefer government or scientific sources over activist ones. Is there anything wrong with it?


Are 1/4 of your close female friends been raped? How many you know in % out of your friends?

Why do you quote my post with this question?


Sorry, I am simply asking you this question. It's not related to your quote.



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04 Oct 2017, 10:37 am

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Sorry, I am simply asking you this question. It's not related to your quote.

I never claimed anything like 1/4 or 1/6 of women in the US has been raped. Government figures seem reasonable to me, you don't need to presuade it to me. I don't believe in all this "rape culture" in the West as well. The very idea of a rape is detested by all the males I know personally.


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04 Oct 2017, 10:38 am

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This was published in a study conducted by the National Institute of Justice and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Personally I don't believe a government organization should be held as a higher authority than nonprofits like RAINN, but a lot of guys on WrongPlanet apparently do, so... here.

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Using a definition of rape that included forced vaginal, oral, and anal sex, the survey found that 17.6 percent of surveyed women and 3.0 percent of surveyed men said they experienced a completed or attempted rape at some time in their life (see exhibit 3). Thus, 1 of 6 U.S. women and 1 of 33 U.S. men have been victims of a completed or attempted rape. Relatively few women and men reported they were victims of an attempted rape only. While 14.8 percent of surveyed women said they had experienced a completed rape, 2.8 percent said they had experienced an attempted rape only. Similarly, while 2.1 percent of surveyed men said they had experienced a completed rape, 0.9 percent said they had experienced an attempted rape only. These findings indicate that most rapists successfully penetrate their victims.


Now I just sit back and wait for someone to brainstorm another reason why the statistic is unreliable :roll:



A nonprofit organization may have a hidden agenda, while a goverment statistic body doesn't; and I don't think the gov of a First World country would hire incompetent statisticians, we are not talking about Burkina Faso here.

So yeah, an official stats depart. > private stats depart.