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02 Jan 2019, 11:06 am

Most of the time, guys ask out women after hanging out with them awhile--maybe a few months or so. They get to know the woman that way. They get to know if she's interested in a loving relationship or not.



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02 Jan 2019, 11:10 am

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Most of the time, guys ask out women after hanging out with them awhile--maybe a few months or so. They get to know the woman that way. They get to know if she's interested in a loving relationship or not.


Certainly. That's a way that might work for some guys that fail the interest detection homework. :wink:



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02 Jan 2019, 11:25 am

I was asked on a date recently by a man. He didn't tell me his sexual history (or lack thereof) and he didn't spend months getting to know me first. Rather, he was honest and sincere, and he spent just enough time talking to know that we had a few things in common. Sure he was a little nervous but that's OK. It's cute. It didn't seem to be rocket science even though I know from others he hasn't dated in a very, very long time.


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02 Jan 2019, 11:34 am

Guys just don't go around telling women their sexual history when they hang out with them. And it would be even less likely for a woman to tell a guy her sexual history. There's a high "creep" element to this.

Anyway....it really doesn't matter if somebody lacks dating or sexual experience. I have not asked a girl out on a date in many years. I have looked like an abject virgin even when I had years of sexual experience.



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02 Jan 2019, 11:39 am

Right. The topic of sexual history is discussed only when two people are making decisions to sleep together, or when birth control / possible STI is being discussed. That's it. If one party feels the need to share more of their past / non-past that's their prerogative, but it's done in the privacy of a conversation between those two people alone. It doesn't need to be spread around the internet for others to hear, whether you've been very active or not active at all.


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02 Jan 2019, 3:01 pm

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I know how that feels. I was scorned, ignored, bullied, etc by girls and women for a long time.

Fortunately, most people, including women, grow up in their 20s. The high school stuff is left behind, frequently, both for the bullies and the bullied.

I would say: start with a clean slate when you're in your 20s.

Women are PEOPLE....MAKE FRIENDS WITH THEM!!

From my experience no people don’t grow up.
I still get shunned and made fun by women and men.

Women don’t want to talk to me nonetheless be my friend. Only a few will be online friends with me.

Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if in the future dating resumes become a thing thst you list all that Information on then send to the woman to review.



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02 Jan 2019, 3:09 pm

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... I still get shunned and made fun by women and men. Women don’t want to talk to me nonetheless be my friend. Only a few will be online friends with me.

:roll: ... once again ...



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02 Jan 2019, 3:46 pm

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envirozentinel wrote:
... Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile,
I think she was showing a great deal of restraint, especially under the circumstances. Sometimes, the only way to deal with hostility is with hostility, especially when trying to motivate the general public to a worthy cause.
I'd say she threw out the baby with the bathwater. I get that she was trying to scare off Incel (capital I) men, along with other movements. But a lonely incel (small I) may have seen her post, and interpreted it to mean that he's not welcome.
Lonely Guys™ should not be feeling unwelcome, unless they've been spamming multiple sub-fora and derailing unrelated threads with their tales of romantic frustration.

Incel Trolls™, on the other hand, deserve to be made to feel unwelcome.


So lonely men are only welcome if they keep their mouths shut and stay in the back corner so not to annoy you with their presence.
And you say there’s not bigotry against lonely men.



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02 Jan 2019, 3:50 pm

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Right. The topic of sexual history is discussed only when two people are making decisions to sleep together, or when birth control / possible STI is being discussed. That's it. If one party feels the need to share more of their past / non-past that's their prerogative, but it's done in the privacy of a conversation between those two people alone. It doesn't need to be spread around the internet for others to hear, whether you've been very active or not active at all.

In my experience It’s asked in first few messages along with job, car, where you live how many relationships you’ve had.
Modern dating for younger people seems more like a job interview they want to know everything about you before they even consider going on a date with you non less consider sleeping with you.



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02 Jan 2019, 3:52 pm

sly279 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
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... Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile,
I think she was showing a great deal of restraint, especially under the circumstances. Sometimes, the only way to deal with hostility is with hostility, especially when trying to motivate the general public to a worthy cause.
I'd say she threw out the baby with the bathwater. I get that she was trying to scare off Incel (capital I) men, along with other movements. But a lonely incel (small I) may have seen her post, and interpreted it to mean that he's not welcome.
Lonely Guys™ should not be feeling unwelcome, unless they've been spamming multiple sub-fora and derailing unrelated threads with their tales of romantic frustration. Incel Trolls™, on the other hand, deserve to be made to feel unwelcome.
So lonely men are only welcome if they keep their mouths shut and stay in the back corner so not to annoy you with their presence. And you say there’s not bigotry against lonely men.
Oh, there is no bigotry against lonely men.

There IS, however, bigotry against constant whining and complaining.

It's not the people, it's the behavior.



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02 Jan 2019, 4:01 pm

sly279 wrote:
Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if in the future dating resumes become a thing thst you list all that Information on then send to the woman to review.


We guys don't need to accept that kind of thing. We don't even need to accept dating as a valid method to start a relationship. It always takes two to build a relationship. I strongly feel that it is the task of the woman to find out how the man is (and the reverse), so I don't feel that I need to give my CV like it was a job interview. When it comes to my work, my car, how many I had sex with and other social information, I feel it's none of her business as long as she doesn't know me, because those are not things a woman should care about before knowing me better.



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02 Jan 2019, 4:12 pm

Do you guys ever get the feeling you're your own worst enemies?



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02 Jan 2019, 4:23 pm

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Aspie1, Thank you for that info about the sub groups, I didn't know most of the terminology until very recently.

As stated before, there are no new rules.

Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile, but bear in mind that tact isn't a strong point in the case of many of us on the spectrum.


"Tact" was never a strength of mine.

As for the rest of it, there's an ocean of difference between "lonely men" and "incels." For the purposes of moderating this forum, an "incel" is someone who advocates for the rape/enslavement/murder of women. If other people want to hold on to a different definition, fine, but as per "official" WP lingo in regards to moderating, we're using the term as I've defined above. Therefore, any claim that banning "incels" is the equivalent of banning all single men is moronic.

Secondly, I'm quite familiar with both Red Pill/MGTOW, and they both have misogynistic underpinnings that don't belong here. WP has never been dependent on misogyny or misandry for it's survival, and I'm happy to see those who hold such views f_ck-off right outta here.


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02 Jan 2019, 4:30 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Aspie1, Thank you for that info about the sub groups, I didn't know most of the terminology until very recently.

As stated before, there are no new rules.

Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile, but bear in mind that tact isn't a strong point in the case of many of us on the spectrum.


"Tact" was never a strength of mine.

As for the rest of it, there's an ocean of difference between "lonely men" and "incels." For the purposes of moderating this forum, an "incel" is someone who advocates for the rape/enslavement/murder of women. If other people want to hold on to a different definition, fine, but as per "official" WP lingo in regards to moderating, we're using the term as I've defined above. Therefore, any claim that banning "incels" is the equivalent of banning all single men is moronic.

Secondly, I'm quite familiar with both Red Pill/MGTOW, and they both have misogynistic underpinnings that don't belong here. WP has never been dependent of misogyny or misandry for it's survival, and I'm happy to see those who hold such views f_ck-off right outta here.



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02 Jan 2019, 4:35 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
... For the purposes of moderating this forum, an "incel" is someone who advocates for the rape/enslavement/murder of women. If other people want to hold on to a different definition, fine, but as per "official" WP lingo in regards to moderating, we're using the term as I've defined above. Therefore, any claim that banning "incels" is the equivalent of banning all single men is moronic...
THANK YOU!!

It isn't bigotry against lonely men, nice guys, or men who can't get dates -- it's prejudice against any posts in favor of violence, hatred, and/or contempt against women.



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02 Jan 2019, 4:58 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Aspie1, Thank you for that info about the sub groups, I didn't know most of the terminology until very recently.

As stated before, there are no new rules.

Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile, but bear in mind that tact isn't a strong point in the case of many of us on the spectrum.


"Tact" was never a strength of mine.

As for the rest of it, there's an ocean of difference between "lonely men" and "incels." For the purposes of moderating this forum, an "incel" is someone who advocates for the rape/enslavement/murder of women. If other people want to hold on to a different definition, fine, but as per "official" WP lingo in regards to moderating, we're using the term as I've defined above. Therefore, any claim that banning "incels" is the equivalent of banning all single men is moronic.

Secondly, I'm quite familiar with both Red Pill/MGTOW, and they both have misogynistic underpinnings that don't belong here. WP has never been dependent of misogyny or misandry for it's survival, and I'm happy to see those who hold such views f_ck-off right outta here.



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