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05 Jun 2019, 3:32 pm

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I haven't been able to date because I am not an aggressive iron pumping and tattooed alpha male which is what the Killeen-Temple-Fort Hood metropolitan region expects you to be like if you are a male. People in this culture also date and marry early, often due to pre-marital sex despite religious objectifications and not using protection or the men always demand the women to use pills while refusing to use condoms and the women will often willingly forsake the pill.


Are you psychical attracted to healthy women who are also in capable physical shape? Assuming you are among the overwhelming majority of straight men who find conventionally attractive women physically attractive, the answer is 'yes'.

The same is true for women. Why wouldn't it be? You needn't be a roided out man-animal who only knows his most primal instincts, but to be attractive you have to be physically well and able. In turn, you need to visually display these traits to others if they are going to have any idea whether or not it is true.

The Philosopher and Historian Xenophon quotes Socrates, perhaps among the least similar to the Jersey Shore 'Gym, Tan, Laundry' bro among historic figures, as having said this:

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Socrates: For in everything that men do the body is useful; and in all uses of the body it is of great importance to be in as high a state of physical efficiency as possible. Why, even in the process of thinking, in which the use of the body seems to be reduced to a minimum, it is matter of common knowledge that grave mistakes may often be traced to bad health. And because the body is in a bad condition, loss of memory, depression, discontent, insanity often assail the mind so violently as to drive whatever knowledge it contains clean out of it. But a sound and healthy body is a strong protection to a man, and at least there is no danger then of such a calamity happening to him through physical weakness: on the contrary, it is likely that his sound condition will serve to produce effects the opposite of those that arise from bad condition. And surely a man of sense would submit to anything to obtain the effects that are the opposite of those mentioned in my list.

Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit. But you cannot see that, if you are careless; for it will not come of its own accord.


Humans are not exempt from the inherent value of physical capability present in literally every species of animal. You can get in better shape, and will enjoy innumerable benefits aside from being more attractive.



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05 Jun 2019, 9:23 pm

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I haven't been able to date because I am not an aggressive iron pumping and tattooed alpha male which is what the Killeen-Temple-Fort Hood metropolitan region expects you to be like if you are a male. People in this culture also date and marry early, often due to pre-marital sex despite religious objectifications and not using protection or the men always demand the women to use pills while refusing to use condoms and the women will often willingly forsake the pill.


Are you psychical attracted to healthy women who are also in capable physical shape? Assuming you are among the overwhelming majority of straight men who find conventionally attractive women physically attractive, the answer is 'yes'.

The same is true for women. Why wouldn't it be? You needn't be a roided out man-animal who only knows his most primal instincts, but to be attractive you have to be physically well and able. In turn, you need to visually display these traits to others if they are going to have any idea whether or not it is true.

The Philosopher and Historian Xenophon quotes Socrates, perhaps among the least similar to the Jersey Shore 'Gym, Tan, Laundry' bro among historic figures, as having said this:

Xenophon, Memorabilia 3.12 wrote:
Socrates: For in everything that men do the body is useful; and in all uses of the body it is of great importance to be in as high a state of physical efficiency as possible. Why, even in the process of thinking, in which the use of the body seems to be reduced to a minimum, it is matter of common knowledge that grave mistakes may often be traced to bad health. And because the body is in a bad condition, loss of memory, depression, discontent, insanity often assail the mind so violently as to drive whatever knowledge it contains clean out of it. But a sound and healthy body is a strong protection to a man, and at least there is no danger then of such a calamity happening to him through physical weakness: on the contrary, it is likely that his sound condition will serve to produce effects the opposite of those that arise from bad condition. And surely a man of sense would submit to anything to obtain the effects that are the opposite of those mentioned in my list.

Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit. But you cannot see that, if you are careless; for it will not come of its own accord.


Humans are not exempt from the inherent value of physical capability present in literally every species of animal. You can get in better shape, and will enjoy innumerable benefits aside from being more attractive.

Marknis has been posting on this forum for a few years now about not being able to get a relationship. The way I see it he's got a few core problems that inhibit his ability to do so.

He lives with his mother and has never moved out, and probably can't afford to because he works part-time in the same unskilled job he's been at for the the last 12 years. He's also pre-diabetic, lives a sedentary lifestyle and based on what he's told me has a BMI of 35, which puts him in the obese category. He doesn't seem to do well socially and he's fairly quick to call people "detractors" if they give him advice in a way that he finds unpalatable, or if he deems (often incorrectly) that they don't want him to have success with relationships.



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06 Jun 2019, 2:44 am

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He lives with his mother and has never moved out, and probably can't afford to because he works part-time in the same unskilled job he's been at for the the last 12 years. He's also pre-diabetic, lives a sedentary lifestyle and based on what he's told me has a BMI of 35, which puts him in the obese category. He doesn't seem to do well socially and he's fairly quick to call people "detractors" if they give him advice in a way that he finds unpalatable, or if he deems (often incorrectly) that they don't want him to have success with relationships.[/color]


And this is exactly why his female therapist's advice to "just be friendly" to a girl does not nothing to address his frustration. It's like telling a starving person to go into McDonalds burgers and smile at the person at the cash register when you have no money.



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06 Jun 2019, 8:03 am

He works in a library. You need at least some “skills” to do that.



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06 Jun 2019, 8:23 am

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He lives with his mother and has never moved out, and probably can't afford to because he works part-time in the same unskilled job he's been at for the the last 12 years. He's also pre-diabetic, lives a sedentary lifestyle and based on what he's told me has a BMI of 35, which puts him in the obese category. He doesn't seem to do well socially and he's fairly quick to call people "detractors" if they give him advice in a way that he finds unpalatable, or if he deems (often incorrectly) that they don't want him to have success with relationships.[/color]


I got something like that impression. I have been in phases where I was super bitter and angry, especially specifically with regards to romance. What helped me was looking at things objectively and logically, and I feel like many people were ill-suited to explain things to me in a way that made sense (often because they were being too nice about it).

Marknis, I am not here to criticize you. I have been, in many ways, you. I genuinely feel your hurt and care that you are upset and feel hopeless. I am not going to sugar coat things, but I will not call you names or insult you. I hope you can see in a purely logical way that people like us wouldn't take the time to respond if we didn't care, and I hope pure reason can guide you towards a better future. Please feel free to message me if you want to talk to someone who has come from zero natural abilities socially, but has dramatically improved his life through hard work and honesty.



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06 Jun 2019, 8:36 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Marknis has been posting on this forum for a few years now about not being able to get a relationship. The way I see it he's got a few core problems that inhibit his ability to do so. He lives with his mother and has never moved out, and probably can't afford to because he works part-time in the same unskilled job he's been at for the the last 12 years. He's also pre-diabetic, lives a sedentary lifestyle and based on what he's told me has a BMI of 35, which puts him in the obese category. He doesn't seem to do well socially and he's fairly quick to call people "detractors" if they give him advice in a way that he finds unpalatable, or if he deems (incorrectly) that they don't want him to have success with relationships.
He has also expressed resentment toward his brother and jealousy for his brother's success in business and romance. He has expressed contempt toward rednecks, punks, rappers, and the women who fall for them. He has described how his mother seems over-protective of him while simultaneously being dismissive of his issues. He blames everyone and everything other than himself for his current problems: his locale, his family, the church, his teachers, women, childhood bullies, co-workers, library patrons, couples, strangers, and a seemingly endless stream of "detractors" (whom you seem to have already defined perfectly).


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06 Jun 2019, 8:39 am

Marknis can do better; I know he can!

He can only do it, though, if he gets out of that mindset!

I saw a guy, not too good-looking and who probably had a 35 BMI, with a really pretty woman just the other day on the subway.



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06 Jun 2019, 8:49 am

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I saw a guy, not too good-looking and who probably had a 35 BMI, with a really pretty woman just the other day on the subway.
I see a lot of them in and around the Los Angeles area.


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06 Jun 2019, 9:04 am

Mark probably needed a real role model father.



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06 Jun 2019, 9:16 am

It’s just not right to think that ALL women want this perfect guy.

I’ve known some people who seemed to have a lot going against them and many of them were still in relationships.


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06 Jun 2019, 9:46 am

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It’s just not right to think that ALL women want this perfect guy. I’ve known some people who seemed to have a lot going against them and many of them were still in relationships.
My wife and I have been together for over a quarter-century. She's a lovely Filipina, with dark eyes and long dark hair. However, I have gained weight, developed a slight limp, lost a lot of my hair (and what is left has turned mostly white), and experienced heart attacks and a few disfiguring accidents. She is considered attractive, while I am not (although some well-meaning people will disagree).

A man does not have to be an Adonis (or a redneck, a punk, a hip-hop/rapper, et cetera) to be attractive to women.


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06 Jun 2019, 9:55 am

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It’s just not right to think that ALL women want this perfect guy. I’ve known some people who seemed to have a lot going against them and many of them were still in relationships.
My wife and I have been together for over a quarter-century. She's a lovely Filipina, with dark eyes and long dark hair. However, I have gained weight, developed a slight limp, lost a lot of my hair (and what is left has turned mostly white), and experienced heart attacks and a few disfiguring accidents. She is considered attractive, while I am not (although some well-meaning people will disagree).

A man does not have to be an Adonis (or a redneck, a punk, a hip-hop/rapper, et cetera) to be attractive to women.


I’ve stated time and again that some of the men I’ve dated haven’t quite been Adonises, but I guess I’m thought of as an anomaly and am, thus, not an example to be taken seriously.

Often, people read posts from the stance of trying to find something wrong with them instead of with an open mind.


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06 Jun 2019, 9:57 am

I have no idea why Fnord thinks I have contempt for punks. I like the Austin punk rock scene, I like bands like Bad Religion and Black Flag, and I wish I had friends who were punks.

I also doubt Fnord and my older brother would get along. My older brother actually thinks Asian women are "disgusting" and thinks liberals are "gay". Oddly, he smokes pot but keeps rooting for Trump.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Mark probably needed a real role model father.


My therapist would actually agree with you despite having feministic views. My father is a redneck despite being a doctor.



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06 Jun 2019, 10:00 am

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I have no idea why Fnord thinks I have contempt for punks. I like the Austin punk rock scene, I like bands like Bad Religion and Black Flag, and I wish I had friends who were punks.

I also doubt Fnord and my older brother would get along. My older brother actually thinks Asian women are "disgusting" and thinks liberals are "gay". Oddly, he smokes pot but keeps rooting for Trump.

Why is it all about your older brother?
Why can't you help focusing on him?

If you wish you had friends from Austin punk rock scene, go to Austin and hang out with punks. This is how people make friends.


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I have no idea why Fnord thinks I have contempt for punks. I like the Austin punk rock scene, I like bands like Bad Religion and Black Flag, and I wish I had friends who were punks.

I also doubt Fnord and my older brother would get along. My older brother actually thinks Asian women are "disgusting" and thinks liberals are "gay". Oddly, he smokes pot but keeps rooting for Trump.

Why is it all about your older brother?
Why can't you help focusing on him?

If you wish you had friends from Austin punk rock scene, go to Austin and hang out with punks. This is how people make friends.


He used to both emotionally and physically abuse me even when we were young kids. The girls at school would chase him while I was ignored, even though he would sometimes call the girls "dumb b*****s" or "filthy dirty sluts" even though his relationships were based more on waiting until it was time to have sex instead of romance.

I do try to engage others when I am in Austin but the conversations tend to fizzle out or if I try to offer to keep in contact, it gets turned down or the person never keeps in touch. One of those people was a punkish girl who worked at a comic book store and she let me friend her on Facebook but never wanted to talk.



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06 Jun 2019, 1:26 pm

If you still feel the pain from early childhood bullying, then it is the right thing to work out with your therapist.
With right therapy, this kind of pain decreases and you can move forward to yourself at present.


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