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27 Jun 2019, 1:38 pm

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"Men seem to act more macho around other men than with me, typically,"

How would you know if you're not around?



"I assume it has to do with status."

Yes. Status with women.


Because they’re talking openly about their feelings. They don’t seem to do that as much with each other from what I’ve observed. Gender roles are somewhat rigid where I’m from, though.

I don’t fully relate to this conversation. I’ve only dated 3 people in my entire life. I have to know someone very well in order to date him. I’ve never used online dating, and I probably wouldn’t agree to date someone that I met off the street.


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27 Jun 2019, 1:40 pm

Even in friendships, the guys I’ve known have been more open expressing feelings with women than men. My brother is much more open with me than my dad or his guy friends.


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27 Jun 2019, 1:45 pm

That's probably because you're a very affable person. I know a few such people, but I have to pick & choose when I express emotions fully to anyone else.


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27 Jun 2019, 1:47 pm

cberg wrote:
That's probably because you're a very affable person. I know a few such people, but I have to pick & choose when I express emotions fully to anyone else.


Thanks!

Actually, I do draw people out now that you mention it...


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27 Jun 2019, 2:40 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
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men have been cultured to hold emotions in to appear strong rather than communicate their feelings.


And what role do you think the expectations of women play in that trend?


I like your questions, straight to the point.

The trend didn't come from nowhere.


It probably had its origins in hunting gathering societies when men hunted dangerous animals with rudimentary weapons and other groups who were after their resources. They probably had to put on this brave and courageous mask.

Then it sort of evolved into this masculine ideal over time.

It’s not my ideal, though. I like a guy who’s in touch with his feelings (most, if not all, women I’ve known do). Men seem to act more macho around other men than with me, typically, I’ve noticed. I assume it has to do with status.

:heart: twilight princess the wise :P


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27 Jun 2019, 3:22 pm

If a woman is uneducated then she's as likely to know about feminism as a man who's uneducated. Feminism is an academic discipline which argues a lot. Even on 'what is a woman'.

Radical feminists are misandrist transphobes who are split between lesbophobia and a kind of 'heterophobia'. And no, radical doesn't mean extreme. It means back to the roots. Which is ironic cos Wollstonecraft etc never said misandrist things. Ironically, the one misandrist from pre mid-20th century involved in proto feminism (or first wave) was George Bernard Shaw who said 'women are deluding themselves themselves a disservice when they consider themselves men's equals, they're actually the superior sex'. I disagree with him.

I guess the roots they're on about is the 70s.

If a woman is uneducated in feminism she might use it as an excuse for misandry. Same if she's a rad fem. Liberal feminism is about gender equality and welcoming all genders, including non binary. It might come across as hard on men when it says things like 'toxic masculinity', especially to someone who doesn't understand that they're criticising gender expression not gender and certainly not sex, but the first person masculinity is harmful to is the person practicing it by for eg not being able to open up about their emotions outside of anger.

My dad is so bad at this that he feels anger all the time because he can't turn it inward. He's mentally ill.


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27 Jun 2019, 3:30 pm

Feminism is not an academic discipline. Feminism is an ideology. Gender studies is ideology masquerading as academia.


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but the first person masculinity is harmful to is the person practicing it by for eg not being able to open up about their emotions outside of anger.


What was that about not being misandrist?


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27 Jun 2019, 3:40 pm

Gender studies concertedly ignores the sensibilities of many non-binary people. I have to wait years for representation to catch up with research. Nevermind I'm outwardly a dude; the only women who seem to understand me are lesbians for some reason. I'm not going to pretend that makes any sense but that's the way things are. None of us get it & I'm alienated as a result.

It is what it is, I just want to see my friends more. We need to build trust.


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27 Jun 2019, 4:04 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
Feminism is not an academic discipline. Feminism is an ideology. Gender studies is ideology masquerading as academia.


KT67 wrote:
but the first person masculinity is harmful to is the person practicing it by for eg not being able to open up about their emotions outside of anger.


What was that about not being misandrist?


Clearly I missed a word, was trying to watch the world cup at the same time.

The real one not the little boys one. That's a misandrist comment. And a joke.

And if people haven't learned by now that I'm masculine myself then you're either as macho man as some of my mates (one of my mate said 'you're just like a boy except a pansy boy like your step dad' - he equated masculinity to being drunk all the time, being scruffy and wanting to fist fight which I used to do but not as an adult cos fist fighting is illegal and stupid) or you don't know me.


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27 Jun 2019, 4:44 pm

cberg wrote:
Gender studies concertedly ignores the sensibilities of many non-binary people. I have to wait years for representation to catch up with research. Nevermind I'm outwardly a dude; the only women who seem to understand me are lesbians for some reason. I'm not going to pretend that makes any sense but that's the way things are. None of us get it & I'm alienated as a result.

It is what it is, I just want to see my friends more. We need to build trust.


That wasn’t my experience of gender studies classes.

We spent a lot of time talking about non-binary people. I tend to think of gender as a spectrum with not everyone fitting neatly into one specific category. A lot of people try, though, due to societal expectations and pressure.


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27 Jun 2019, 4:50 pm

Back to the topic at hand...

I like it when the person I’m with feels like he can be himself.


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28 Jun 2019, 6:18 am

That I am safe to be with. For some reason, because somehow people percieve me to be different (And I don't know how they do as I try to act as normal as I can), I find that even those that know me seem to act as if I was some sort of untrustworthy person to be around with. I have had so many years of this, that I started to question myself to see if I could be some sort of danger to others? These days I just find it easier to avoid public gatherings etc...


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28 Jun 2019, 9:57 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
Feminism is not an academic discipline. Feminism is an ideology. Gender studies is ideology masquerading as academia.


KT67 wrote:
but the first person masculinity is harmful to is the person practicing it by for eg not being able to open up about their emotions outside of anger.


What was that about not being misandrist?



What is “gender studies” exactly? Does it cure cancer? Does it put any bread on the table?



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28 Jun 2019, 10:40 am

Youtube Randa Jarrar for a delightful exemplar. She's a tenured professor, by the way. And by the looks of her, it puts lots of bread on the table.


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28 Jun 2019, 12:25 pm

Women just because I admit I find another woman attractive or a feature on another woman attractive does NOT mean I'm any less attracted to you. Do not start the conversation by talking about how attractive a certain woman is or is not or how a feature on her is attractive or not if you do not want me to express my opinion on the topic. I have no problem with you talking about how hansom other men are or what features you like in other men. We both like multiple styles of music, types of shows, types of food, & you can like multiple styles of art & books(I'm not into books or art) for example. We both tend to have favorite types of those things thou despite liking others. You should know your my favorite & I find you most attractive of all by how much I'm staring at you lovingly, how often I'm telling you I love you, how often I'm telling you your beautiful or pretty or complementing your looks in other ways, how often I'm complementing you in other ways like talking about something you do that I find cute or funny, how physically affectionate I am with you like hugging you or holding you or massaging you or offering to. You should also know that I am way to loyal to ever cheat just as I expect you to be loyal to me.


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28 Jun 2019, 2:00 pm

Women on dating apps:

All your photo tricks that make you look thinner (while you’re not) don’t work, we know them all:

- The selfie from upper angle
- The too close up selfie
- The pic with cropped edges
- Zero picture showing from head to at least tummy level.

We are not stupid, we know very well what you are trying to hide.

They’re so old tricks.