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28 Dec 2018, 2:20 pm

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I'm not trying to imply that all women are picky about men's physique and income. But all the ones who aren't taken, because they had nothing stopping them from finding men they're attracted to years ago.

As for me, I could never get a decent job because I'm disabled and I have no marketable skills. It's understandable that women require a man with the financial stability to support her and her children. I can't fault them for that. I'm just saying nobody will ever want me because I'm unable to provide.

And another thing, you do not get to tell me my problems are not real just because you don't understand them.

How dare you tell me I'm only single because I'm too picky over men's looks and income. The last guy I turned

down is nice looking, he also has a history of violence. The one before was thirty, YES THIRTY years older than

me and MARRIED and RICH. If that's your idea of fussy, I'll stay fussy thank you very much.


And when did I ever say your problems aren't real? Please quote the text.

Or maybe stop putting words in my mouth.


Magentowasright I can see exactly where the misunderstanding came from, You said:

"I'm not trying to imply that all women are picky about men's physique and income. But all the ones who aren't taken, because they had nothing stopping them from finding men they're attracted to years ago."

Can't you see how she took that the mean "if you're still single and female you must be fussy".



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28 Dec 2018, 2:34 pm

^Yes, also the nothing stopping me finding a man I was attracted to years ago part. There are lots of reasons

just as there are lots of reasons male autistics have difficulties. Just because there's more people willing to have sex

with you doesn't make it magically easier to find someone who wants more with someone who's not like they thought.



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28 Dec 2018, 3:55 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Fnord is welcome to share his opinion and experience, as we all are.
The fact a woman wrote that article doesn't change my opinion at all. It's rhetoric designed to promote commercialism.

It's very sad that women would promote this propaganda to younger women who might buy into the BS.

I've never even heard of a six hundred horsepower car and I don't know any women who talk about height, abs or package size. Size doesn't equal performance. Likewise, income isn't as important as a person's spending habits. I'd rather be with a modest spender with lower income than a rich person with a drug habit or gambling addiction who wants a six hundred horsepower car or a gym membership (gag me now).



Saying stuff such as “no one is underpaid but only people living beyond their means” is an oral excrement, it is not wisdom and it not even true for countless of young men.
Opinions are welcome, and so my opinion on a such opinion.

They don’t know our stories and how really underpaid we are.

Ok I will tell my story to prove how really underpaid I am and i know exactly by how much: the CFO has whistleblown me the allocated budget (from investors) number for my salary, all of the millennial employees are being underpaid.
The only ones who are not being so are the seniors, who do more talk than work.
To be exact, my salary should be $5000 monthly for my position, I was being paid half of that. He told me I should ask for more without telling what he revealed to me, I did and and it was a dire negotiation, the CEO went telling me how valuable I am and such poetry and how i saved the company from bankruptcy (another long story) ...bla bla, but at the end he only accepted to raise it by $300, plus an overtime formula which I know still out of my allocated budgeted sum.

The CFO is a senior guy himself but he’s a Christian pious man who hates wrongdoings, and always gets in conflict with the CEO, the latter wants to get rid of him but he just holds too much power to be kicked (he oversees 3 of his companies).

So yeah, I am being underpaid by 56%, to put bluntly, I am being stolen 56% of my pay everyday. I am sure I am not the only case in the world.

But owners know that more than 70% of population gets paid less than 800 monthly and of the high unemployment rate, so they fully exploit us.


I completely agree with cberg's point about millennials' being underpaid, but I don't think anyone can complain about ONLY being paid $2500 dollars a month - that's damned good money by any standard, even in the US or UK, but especially in the Middle East.



I am still scratching my head over this one, because I was sure there's enormous differences in average income between countries (and even between Middle Eastern countries, but I won't go into that). https://www.thebalancecareers.com/avera ... rs-2060808

According to the above source (and most sources I looked into), the average yearly income in the US for the advanced degree (I have a Master's degree + Diploma , and I speak 3 languages) is around $77,000 , that's around $6400+ monthly.

So how comes mine is good by US standard? Are all the sources wrong? My income is closer to the No High school degree in the US.

Now I am more certain that IsabellaLinton was a brain surgeon, or a CEO - not even nuclear physics make 200k$.

You’re income for my area, it might not be for the job, but you could get by quite well here with around 3,000 a month. You’d be middle class.



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28 Dec 2018, 3:57 pm

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The figures you quoted were for GROSS, before-taxes income. You quoted NET, after-taxes income for yourself.

Many people NET below $1500 a month in the USA. A NET income of $3000 a month is considered a very decent income in most places in the USA. I net about $2500 a month, while grossing $4500.

I gross 9,000
I get about $700-800 a month.



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28 Dec 2018, 3:59 pm

fluffysaurus wrote:
^Yes, also the nothing stopping me finding a man I was attracted to years ago part. There are lots of reasons

just as there are lots of reasons male autistics have difficulties. Just because there's more people willing to have sex

with you doesn't make it magically easier to find someone who wants more with someone who's not like they thought.

He probably meant most instead of all.
Most women left single at 25+ are picky and that’s why they’re single. There’s still others who are like fluffy but you’re rare.



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28 Dec 2018, 4:07 pm

They take very little tax from Sly's check because he doesn't make more than about $15,000 a year.

At my income level, they normally take between 1/3 and 1/4 of one's check in taxes. Depends on lots of things.



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28 Dec 2018, 4:12 pm

They take about 11% of taxes from my salary, based on my annual threshold ....and my marital status.



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28 Dec 2018, 4:14 pm

They'll take out 11% total here if your income is pretty low. If one is in a state like New York State, the 11% total is taken out amid lower income than many other states.



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28 Dec 2018, 4:15 pm

If you make above a certain income in addition to Social Security, you are required to pay about 15% tax on your benefits.



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28 Dec 2018, 4:16 pm

Well, you have an army in Iraq to maintain.



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28 Dec 2018, 4:18 pm

We also have Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. That's where much of the tax money goes---in addition to military spending.



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28 Dec 2018, 4:39 pm

My government's healthcare covers 80% of most of my health expenses, doctor bills, prescribed medicines, treatments - except dental works for some weird reason.

But my social security's pension system here is kinda broken if you work in small firms.

Its formula goes like that: Σ(# of years in company X * last official salary in company X), so let's say you worked for three companies in your life A, B and C, that would be something like (10 x 1000) + (20 x 2000) + (34 x 3000) = total

The reason why it's broken is due to the small companies' corruptions, many don't pay their dues to the gov, and if let's say company A didn't pay all its dues then they won't be able to pay you fully on pension; that what happened to my first workplace I worked for 7 years, it went bankrupt and the Social security guy told me it wasn't paying most of its dues so I will get nothing from these years on pension unless the owners pay the dues, which I suspect it will ever get lost in courts forever.

what's worse most companies don't declare your full wage in Social security in order to pay less taxes on you, for example I've learned that only $1500 of my salary is declared in SS, so this what I will get, that if the current company won't ever get bankrupt too.



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28 Dec 2018, 4:40 pm

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They take very little tax from Sly's check because he doesn't make more than about $15,000 a year.

At my income level, they normally take between 1/3 and 1/4 of one's check in taxes. Depends on lots of things.

They take 30 from each check and I put back 70 Incase I owe taxes. So about 200 a month to tax related.
Usually I get it most back. It’s how I save.



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28 Dec 2018, 4:48 pm

You can fill out a W-4, and ask them to withhold the $70.

But I can understand you wanting to have the $70 yourself, and put it in the bank for savings.



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28 Dec 2018, 5:08 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You can fill out a W-4, and ask them to withhold the $70.

But I can understand you wanting to have the $70 yourself, and put it in the bank for savings.

I keep it somewhere safe. Then after April I can use it.
Unless I make over 10,000 it’s mine.



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28 Dec 2018, 5:19 pm

That really sucks, Boo.

I understand you're still young----but you should find out how much pension you're entitled to now, and what you'll be entitled to when you retire.

I'm fortunate that I have a job which has a pension---and pays into Social Security. Many jobs with pensions DON'T pay into Social Security. These pensioners sometimes get punished severely (through getting less of a Social Security pension).