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16 Sep 2018, 8:34 am

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What I wonder is...

Why do some men believe that a girlfriend will somehow fix their personal issues of shyness, lack of motivation, poor self-esteem, chronic unemployment, and low social status? Why don't they understand that in order to attract a woman, then must first deal with and fix these issues before any woman will be attracted to them?

It baffles me that some men -- even in their 30s -- haven't figured out (or just won't admit) that the changes they so greatly desire simply cannot be impose by someone else. I mean, after all, change comes from within.
I never expected a woman to fix those things for me. However I do know from personal experience that having a girlfriend makes those things alot easier for me to deal with mentally/accept. I have found 3 girls/women who liked me despite those things but they were defiantly in the minority & special cases. I was doing my very best to work on those things but it's extremely difficult when your born with lots of physical & mental disabilities & are stuck living with your parents in a rural area unable to drive & no public transportation available because you cant afford to move & have no resources available to help other than SSI, Social Security Disability, Medicaid, & Medicare. I was very trapped by circumstances I was born into.


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16 Sep 2018, 8:59 am

fluffysaurus wrote:
(I will be checking

out the book now that you have finally given me something concrete to look at instead of just wittering on)


"The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome"?

It's a great book if you've never read it. Very valuable. However, it has nothing to do with a dietary/intestinal treatment protocol - that I've shared here on WP. Dr. Tony Attwood's "complete," guide is not so complete without a chapter on treatments. IMO. But it's still a good book well worth reading if you've never read it - just to be more self aware of your own traits and symptoms.


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16 Sep 2018, 9:01 am

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Fnord wrote:
What I wonder is...

Why do some men believe that a girlfriend will somehow fix their personal issues of shyness, lack of motivation, poor self-esteem, chronic unemployment, and low social status? Why don't they understand that in order to attract a woman, then must first deal with and fix these issues before any woman will be attracted to them?

It baffles me that some men -- even in their 30s -- haven't figured out (or just won't admit) that the changes they so greatly desire simply cannot be impose by someone else. I mean, after all, change comes from within.
I never expected a woman to fix those things for me. However I do know from personal experience that having a girlfriend makes those things alot easier for me to deal with mentally/accept. I have found 3 girls/women who liked me despite those things but they were defiantly in the minority & special cases. I was doing my very best to work on those things but it's extremely difficult when your born with lots of physical & mental disabilities & are stuck living with your parents in a rural area unable to drive & no public transportation available because you cant afford to move & have no resources available to help other than SSI, Social Security Disability, Medicaid, & Medicare. I was very trapped by circumstances I was born into.


Did you have internet access? If so, you had all the world's knowledge available to you.


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16 Sep 2018, 9:41 am

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nick007 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
What I wonder is...

Why do some men believe that a girlfriend will somehow fix their personal issues of shyness, lack of motivation, poor self-esteem, chronic unemployment, and low social status? Why don't they understand that in order to attract a woman, then must first deal with and fix these issues before any woman will be attracted to them?

It baffles me that some men -- even in their 30s -- haven't figured out (or just won't admit) that the changes they so greatly desire simply cannot be impose by someone else. I mean, after all, change comes from within.
I never expected a woman to fix those things for me. However I do know from personal experience that having a girlfriend makes those things alot easier for me to deal with mentally/accept. I have found 3 girls/women who liked me despite those things but they were defiantly in the minority & special cases. I was doing my very best to work on those things but it's extremely difficult when your born with lots of physical & mental disabilities & are stuck living with your parents in a rural area unable to drive & no public transportation available because you cant afford to move & have no resources available to help other than SSI, Social Security Disability, Medicaid, & Medicare. I was very trapped by circumstances I was born into.


Did you have internet access? If so, you had all the world's knowledge available to you.
I did which is how I met those girls


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16 Sep 2018, 10:26 am

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nick007 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
What I wonder is...

Why do some men believe that a girlfriend will somehow fix their personal issues of shyness, lack of motivation, poor self-esteem, chronic unemployment, and low social status? Why don't they understand that in order to attract a woman, then must first deal with and fix these issues before any woman will be attracted to them?

It baffles me that some men -- even in their 30s -- haven't figured out (or just won't admit) that the changes they so greatly desire simply cannot be impose by someone else. I mean, after all, change comes from within.
I never expected a woman to fix those things for me. However I do know from personal experience that having a girlfriend makes those things alot easier for me to deal with mentally/accept. I have found 3 girls/women who liked me despite those things but they were defiantly in the minority & special cases. I was doing my very best to work on those things but it's extremely difficult when your born with lots of physical & mental disabilities & are stuck living with your parents in a rural area unable to drive & no public transportation available because you cant afford to move & have no resources available to help other than SSI, Social Security Disability, Medicaid, & Medicare. I was very trapped by circumstances I was born into.


Did you have internet access? If so, you had all the world's knowledge available to you.
I did which is how I met those girls


Which is great! But it’s also how you could have learned to ever better manage your physical & mental disabilities vs simply allow them to run their course and influence your well being. IMO YMMV.


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16 Sep 2018, 10:50 am

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You're either missing my point entirely, or choosing to ignore it.

Long term relationships all start with a first date. Some here have Zero ability to get a first date/meeting someone/hookup/anything at all. I can do that with relative ease. My purposes are sexual, but the communication required to set something like that up is a transferable skill and could be utilized to arrange coffee/movie dates just the same. Those who have Zero ability to get themselves a date could stand to learn a lot from those who are able to communicate with others and arrange themselves first dates/hookups/whatever with relative ease. That's all I'm saying. Whether their goal is a hookup or to find The One is irrelevant. The communication process for either is very similar.
I agree, I just think going about it in different ways is the way these things often work.



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16 Sep 2018, 10:51 am

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to each their own, some are content with nightly novel orgasms with lotsa different folks, some want something deeper. shallow and deep, each to their own kind.
That's the long and short of it for me, and there's nothing wrong with either. All I'm trying to say is that the method for one may not work in the same way for the other.



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16 Sep 2018, 2:36 pm

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to each their own, some are content with nightly novel orgasms with lotsa different folks, some want something deeper. shallow and deep, each to their own kind.
That's the long and short of it for me, and there's nothing wrong with either. All I'm trying to say is that the method for one may not work in the same way for the other.


Except there are tried, tested, and true ways to make oneself more attractive or to communicate with people & arrange a date. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel when there’s a very simple process that can be followed. IMO YMMV.


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16 Sep 2018, 3:26 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
You're either missing my point entirely, or choosing to ignore it.


No, he isn't. You are the one that is missing the point.

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Long term relationships all start with a first date.


No, they don't. I've been in two relationships, and none of them started with dating. However, the most important point is that most long-term relationships don't start with sex or a one-night-stand. If you start it shallow, you cannot turn it deep. As simple as that.

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Some here have Zero ability to get a first date/meeting someone/hookup/anything at all. I can do that with relative ease. My purposes are sexual, but the communication required to set something like that up is a transferable skill and could be utilized to arrange coffee/movie dates just the same. Those who have Zero ability to get themselves a date could stand to learn a lot from those who are able to communicate with others and arrange themselves first dates/hookups/whatever with relative ease. That's all I'm saying. Whether their goal is a hookup or to find The One is irrelevant. The communication process for either is very similar.


Completely wrong. A natural ND relationship doesn't start with anything even similar to dating. If you are ND and want a soulmate, I think you have to start nonverbally, and definitely without having sexual intercourse.



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16 Sep 2018, 3:30 pm

I'm only posting the last quote cuz the screwy capita won't let it go through.

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Which is great! But it’s also how you could have learned to ever better manage your physical & mental disabilities vs simply allow them to run their course and influence your well being. IMO YMMV.
Oh I get what you mean now. I did use the net to try & work on myself thou I worked on some issues a lot more than others.


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16 Sep 2018, 3:34 pm

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Mythos wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
to each their own, some are content with nightly novel orgasms with lotsa different folks, some want something deeper. shallow and deep, each to their own kind.
That's the long and short of it for me, and there's nothing wrong with either. All I'm trying to say is that the method for one may not work in the same way for the other.


Except there are tried, tested, and true ways to make oneself more attractive or to communicate with people & arrange a date. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel when there’s a very simple process that can be followed. IMO YMMV.


There is every reason to reinvent the wheel when things don't work. Although, if there was a documented description of ND courtship, then we could just refer people to that and so there would be no reason to reinvent the wheel.



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16 Sep 2018, 3:37 pm

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fluffysaurus wrote:
(I will be checking

out the book now that you have finally given me something concrete to look at instead of just wittering on)


"The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome"?

It's a great book if you've never read it. Very valuable. However, it has nothing to do with a dietary/intestinal treatment protocol - that I've shared here on WP. Dr. Tony Attwood's "complete," guide is not so complete without a chapter on treatments. IMO. But it's still a good book well worth reading if you've never read it - just to be more self aware of your own traits and symptoms.


It's not at all complete since it's written from a neurotypical POV. There is a lot more reason to include natural preferences and how they work than to add "treatments".



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16 Sep 2018, 4:32 pm

rdos wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
(I will be checking

out the book now that you have finally given me something concrete to look at instead of just wittering on)


"The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome"?

It's a great book if you've never read it. Very valuable. However, it has nothing to do with a dietary/intestinal treatment protocol - that I've shared here on WP. Dr. Tony Attwood's "complete," guide is not so complete without a chapter on treatments. IMO. But it's still a good book well worth reading if you've never read it - just to be more self aware of your own traits and symptoms.


It's not at all complete since it's written from a neurotypical POV. There is a lot more reason to include natural preferences and how they work than to add "treatments".

I see no harm in looking at the book but what I was really after was up to date info on good gut bacteria for

health not specific to autism. And reducing anxiety. I'm not looking to change the way I'm wired but then I

think what we are talking about is treating the symptoms (such as depression) not treating (as in attempting to

cure) the autism.



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16 Sep 2018, 5:31 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
You're either missing my point entirely, or choosing to ignore it.


No, he isn't. You are the one that is missing the point.

goldfish21 wrote:
Long term relationships all start with a first date.


No, they don't. I've been in two relationships, and none of them started with dating. However, the most important point is that most long-term relationships don't start with sex or a one-night-stand. If you start it shallow, you cannot turn it deep. As simple as that.

goldfish21 wrote:
Some here have Zero ability to get a first date/meeting someone/hookup/anything at all. I can do that with relative ease. My purposes are sexual, but the communication required to set something like that up is a transferable skill and could be utilized to arrange coffee/movie dates just the same. Those who have Zero ability to get themselves a date could stand to learn a lot from those who are able to communicate with others and arrange themselves first dates/hookups/whatever with relative ease. That's all I'm saying. Whether their goal is a hookup or to find The One is irrelevant. The communication process for either is very similar.


Completely wrong. A natural ND relationship doesn't start with anything even similar to dating. If you are ND and want a soulmate, I think you have to start nonverbally, and definitely without having sexual intercourse.


You are the extreme odd one out, IMO.
NT, ND, all are human. Dating is dating, courtship is courtship. ND people simply have much more difficulty learning how to do it is all.

You suggesting that ND people are going to end up in LTR’s via not dating & being non verbal (What IS your suggestion? Interpretive dance?) is downright bizarre & May be applicable to You but isn’t something I would say is blanket advice for ND people. Not by a long shot.


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16 Sep 2018, 6:37 pm

fluffysaurus wrote:
rdos wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
(I will be checking

out the book now that you have finally given me something concrete to look at instead of just wittering on)


"The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome"?

It's a great book if you've never read it. Very valuable. However, it has nothing to do with a dietary/intestinal treatment protocol - that I've shared here on WP. Dr. Tony Attwood's "complete," guide is not so complete without a chapter on treatments. IMO. But it's still a good book well worth reading if you've never read it - just to be more self aware of your own traits and symptoms.


It's not at all complete since it's written from a neurotypical POV. There is a lot more reason to include natural preferences and how they work than to add "treatments".

I see no harm in looking at the book but what I was really after was up to date info on good gut bacteria for

health not specific to autism. And reducing anxiety. I'm not looking to change the way I'm wired but then I

think what we are talking about is treating the symptoms (such as depression) not treating (as in attempting to

cure) the autism.


I posted 5 years ago what I do and what supplements I take. In terms of which brand of multi-strain probiotic - whichever is on sale. Sometimes it’s Weber Naturals, sometimes it’s Jameson. Almost always an 8-10 strain ~10 Billion CFU capsule.

Further, as I’ve shared for 5+ years, it’s been my experience that they actually treat autism symptoms - not just depression, anxiety, and defective issues.


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16 Sep 2018, 9:36 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
to each their own, some are content with nightly novel orgasms with lotsa different folks, some want something deeper. shallow and deep, each to their own kind.
That's the long and short of it for me, and there's nothing wrong with either. All I'm trying to say is that the method for one may not work in the same way for the other.


Except there are tried, tested, and true ways to make oneself more attractive or to communicate with people & arrange a date. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel when there’s a very simple process that can be followed. IMO YMMV.
How can you make yourself more attractive if you don't know what the partner you're seeking is attracted to?