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^ Even if they like you, they may possibly be freaked out by 'desperateness.' My point is that it is not 'just fine' for women to be obsessive and clingy as the OP seems to indicate.

This is advice I already took on board years ago, and I'm still single, so "clinginess" isn't the bottom line in case it wasn't already obvious. Though of course you should respect the limits of the other person.

I've known men to be turned off from women who seemed too clingy, at least at the early stages, for fear of "issues". But I don't think it matters to quite the same extent.

My last line didn't mean that you guys are creepy, it meant.
Leave girls alone who you don't think are interested because 100% of the time you are right. Like I said in another post, society pressures men more than women when it comes to dating.
It's been all over the news, a guy yesterday in Pennsylvania at a gym killed 3 women and himself. He had been writing on the internet about his frustration with women. I'cve never heard of a story of women killing men because they have frustration with men. If a woman kills a man its most likely a family member, husband or boyfriend. Women just dont go around killing random men. Men do this because of the pressures society puts on men. I guess the guy just got fed up and went off, I'm not saying that it's right, but hey, it's a result of the pressures men have to deal with on the daily basis. But people should treat people with respect, and women have the tendency of being complete jerks when they dont like a guy, and they call them weirdos right in front of their faces or creeps, and men also have feelings as well.Don't treat people as you don't want to be treated. I sometimes hear men say mean things about girls they arent attracted to, but most don't say it to their faces. Most men who pick on women are usually attracted to them, because they know its the only way to get their attention. If people didnt bully, columbine wouldnt have happened.
Just like the guy who bullies a kid all the time, the kid will eventually go off. There are women who do and say mean things to men they arent attracted to, some make a big "L" with their hands, some call them losers, and many men come back to kill. My father was talking to me one time about this type of thing, about how kids get bullied or people are treated badly because they are different, and the bully victims come back and do terrible things a lot of the time.
Other times the people are just plain crazy, that's why they the shoot up schools too.
But watch how you treat people.

---and to the girl who says she likes obsessive guys, you have asperger's, so it may be possible that you have a different mindset of what you want, as opposed to other women who don't like obsessive men. all women are differnt, but for the most part, they dont like obsessive men.

Here's an example of something that happens from people not accepting themselves for who they are, why aspie guys and girls need to accept themselves. Please read:

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/n ... hclub.html

As the OP says....Let them come to me. I can agree with that.

One thing I've been reading on the forums is lonely people who want a relationship and can't find a date. Get your priorities strait. You won't get in a relationship unless you date, date often, and not try to get in the relationship. NT people have the same problem. If you go out with a girl because you want to have sex or a commitment that day-chances are you won't. If you go out with a girl because you want to go to a movie with someone with no sex or relationship expectations, then you have a much better chance of at least having a DATE. How can you judge what you like in a relationship if you can't even have dinner without putting performance pressure on everyone.

Try having coffie with someone you have no romantic interest in. Go to the movies with someone. Take dance lessons. Just make it your goal to go on a DATE people with no expectations. Tell the other person you just want to have dinner and you don't have a wedding ring or condom in your pocket, and all you want is dinner and conversation.

The only way to ease into a relationship is to NOT TRY.

You're right on Q with that last paragraph LPP!

My nephew's always bitched at for crying. My brother in law is afraid he'll end up a "fag"...a good reason why my sister's leaving him thank god.

My brother also went through the same bs and now he's in jail for the umpteen time.