Philosophically, why should men make the first move?

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I wouldn't expect it to be happening in the highly macho Beirut, Lebanon. But the rest of the world is not Beirut. Us ladies here in the US don't mind taking charge every once in a while and getting what we want.

and what makes you so sure that it's more highly macho than the whole US here? Stereotype. The Mormon and other fundies in your country are probably far more than our small tiny population in term of numbers and they're definitely far more 'macho' than most of us.

Meh, and the whole world is not US too, there's India , China , Japan, Africa, Middle-east ...they are a lot more than your US.

Besides, I was exclusively talking about my area.

Last edited by LePetitPrince on 31 Aug 2009, 3:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Besides, if this issue truly doesn't exist in the US at all , then why I see all the time many of your fellow male and female citizens asking about this frequently ,almost on every relation-related forum? They are all liars perhaps?

Asking what?

Why guys always should make the first move.

Maybe you should pose that question to Tim_Tex. He's about to going cavorting up and down 6th Street and will be getting manhandled soon by a cute artsy hipster who will most likely be making the first move, among many, on him. While you, of course, will be staring at okCupid making up excuses as to why women aren't interested in you.

Do you see any difference between the 2 of you?

^ you're taking this Okcupid too personal, can you forget it ? it's becoming silly.

Besides, Tim_Tex, with all my respect to him, won't be manhandled soon by a cute artsy hipster. His standards are too ....impossible, every old user here knows this.

Btw, we don't ask girls out here , we hit them on their heads by clubs instead and drag them to our caves, oh since we're so 'macho'.

No, Tim_Tex's standards aren't too high, they are very reasonable. And because he is willing to make the effort he will get what he wants. He's not making pathetic excuses as to why the rest of the world isn't set up just perfect for him.

and what makes you sure that i never made any effort in real life? besides, I am not aggressively seeking anymore , I am more more into volunteered celibacy.

LOL , please.

I beg you...

stop....

This is torture.

Unlike okcupid, if you go stand in the middle of an local art gallery opening you will find out that the attendees are 90% female cute liberal artsy hipsters.

Hundreds of them.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Granite, I am doubting that Tim is a great guy but ....

he wants a girl which is:

^^ in his own words.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt57055.html

99.99% of hippies won't fit that.

This is like shooting a fish in the Dead Sea.

If Tim_Tex goes to the art gallery opening he will be alone in a room with 300 cute artsy hipsters. He will have about 3 hours to meet all of them and discern which 5 best meet his criteria. Since just about all of the women will be starting conversations with him he can simply hand his phone number and then accept dates with those that fit his requirements. Texas women are aggressive animals.

Doesn't seem so difficult to me.

You, however, over there on your computer will be busy too, IMing with 50 yo gay men.

It's no less reasonable than my expectations:

We'll send you off to the art gallery too. Plenty of galleries out there.

You're assuming too much about me, I like. What about to tell what's my shoe' size?

Anyways , girls are not products. Searching a girl with that much narrowed specific standards is ridiculous.

If you really care about Tim then stop giving him false hopes and make him search more realistically.

I certainly second LePetitPrince on this one as well. I'm American as well, and I KNOW for a fact that only a very very very very rare breed of women would ever ask out a guy, because American society plays on the role of men being confident, aggressive, go-getting, and arrogant. I don't know the circumstance in Lebanon, but I know that the majority of American women are not in the least inclined to ask men out. They might drop confusing, subtle hints that they like a guy, but the majority will not ask out a guy openly. If a girl asks out a guy, I think it is construed as a sign of weakness on the guy's part for being "too shy" to ask out the girl himself.

In fact, I find that given the independence that American women have nowadays, American women can be much more selective and oftentimes arrogant about who they choose and what criteria they choose by. Not all American women, mind you, but I'd certainly say that they tend to display higher sense of independence and a personal sense of self worth and value, whether over inflated or not.