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09 Sep 2009, 4:18 pm

There's no way a 4 year wait will ever happen, people that young just do whatever their friends do. I hate overprotective parents with a passion, I remember this 21 year old who had to ask her mom to do anything. It's pretty messed up that she's off limits to you since you both might be on the same wavelength. Rules are rules though and you don't wanna tempt fate, I don't know how they are where you live, but people over here are more than happy to get the authorities involved in other people's business (and there are plently of authorities to go around).



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09 Sep 2009, 4:23 pm

People told me this when I dated younger boys but I didn't listen.. but I'm going to give it a shot anyway:

A word of caution to you, sean. 14 year olds have no idea of what they want in life. It would be in your best interest to not take her too seriously. There are always exceptions to this, of course, but the vast majority fit the category.

On that note, and considering the legal aspects, it would likely be best to continue being friends for a while as you said.

I've definately been there.. my largest age gap was a little over 3 years.. 18(me) and 15(him) and it only recently ended.. but it was quite the emotional rollercoaster. No one could have ever disuaded me from liking him, though. I personally don't consider age to be any kind of a relevant factor in relationships but I have repeatedly been proven wrong so perhaps you can learn my experience.



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09 Sep 2009, 4:24 pm

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I''ve got a 14 year-old daughter and I would do anything to keep a 19 year-old away from her, including going to the police. She is just a child. She may look like a young woman, may behave like one, but inside she is still sooo young.
that's why i was thinking of putting it off for a few more years and seeing if things worked out then.

because i could understand where you're coming from and i'm not some horrible person. :roll:


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09 Sep 2009, 4:28 pm

Seanmw, you are a 19 year old adult, she is a 14 year old child. The likes of Janissy and laura123 make some very good points here. The last thing you want is to be labelled a sex offender or a paedophile as, no matter how nice you are as a person, as soon as you have a label like that, in the public eye you are scum. If you were to ever go to prison, you would be treated very badly in there as sex offenders/paedophiles are seen as being the lowest of the low whether she consented to it or not. Sorry to be blunt but that's how it is. If you can remain friends without acting on these feelings, then great. But if you cannot, then you need to cut her out of your life completely. I am not doubting her feelings for you here, but I think she is flattered to be getting such positive attention from a good-looking older guy.

When I was 13, I dated a 20 year old and was flattered by his attention. However, there did come a time when he wanted things to get physical (after I turned 14) and I didn't want to, so it ended. Plus my family found out and hit the roof. They threatened to call the police on him so that was another reason why it ended. It was all very stressful. I look back on it and wonder why he put himself at risk by dating me at all. I realised that it was only a crush towards the end as well. I am also glad that I wasn't ready for sex as I think it was something I would have regretted later on. He never dated a minor again. Just speaking from experience.

I genuinely hope you can either wait a few years or meet someone else around your age who you will like instead. I also know from experience that, when you feel for someone, no matter how old you are, it's not easy to just get over people (if this is what you choose to do). I just hope you don't make a decision that's going to get you into trouble as it won't be worth it for either of you.


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09 Sep 2009, 4:31 pm

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Stop now before you get in legal trouble. Do not hang around waiting for her to get older. Do not hide a relationship from anybody because do not have a relationship in the first place. Do not ask her parents for permission. Do not write to her anymore.

You are treading in VERY dangerous water and you need to get out now. If you get on the sex offender registry, you are there for life.


oh, for the love of god, i'm very aware of that situation. not exactly planning to get that sexual anytime soon either. i'm not ret*d.
and i'm not some f*****g pedophile. waiting a few years wouldn't be that bad anyhow. look at your parents or your friend's parents maybe. because i know that as people get older no one cares if the people together have a few years between them.

my grandma and grandpa had a difference of 20 years. my parents: 6 years.
if you're saying waiting might be a waste of my time because things can change, then that's good advice.
but right now i'm just hearing a bunch of biased BS.

*sigh* i'm starting to think this thread was a terrible idea...


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09 Sep 2009, 4:34 pm

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okay so i met this really nice girl on myspace. at first we were just chatting and such alot. both bored, killing time. her profile said she was single and not looking. there were playful innuendos occasionally, but nothing serious. we became pretty good friends. i was supposed to meet her in person for the first time at the county fair, but she couldn't come over and say hello because she was a part of the 4-H Horses and i guess it would've looked weird to her family. she got a boyfriend recently, 2 days later off some advice i gave apprently, she dumped him. i guess he had trust issues. didn't know i had that much influence in her decisions, surprised me :? . she now has a quote by me from that day on her myspace page. and seems to have feelings for me. i was sorta surprised to realize i had such feelings myself. and we've been talking about it since and getting along better than ever. :)

one problem with this whole scenario though:
she's 14
i'm 19
i think really like her though :?

thinking maybe should tell her i want to give this a few years
and just be friends til then and see where we go once she's actually legal
and i can go out with her publically without fearing jail-time


Did you know she was 14 to start with?
nope, originally i thought she was 17. said so on her myspace. after she told me the truth things died down and were just friends pretty much. which is the prelude to my story


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09 Sep 2009, 4:36 pm

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and i'm not some f***ing pedophile

OF COURSE YOU ARE NOT. But when you are put on the sex offender registry everyone will assume that you are.

Or do you really think that all those people on the sex offender lists have actually forcibly raped someone? No. At least half of them got pinched for statutory. Once that happens and you are caught, no one, NO ONE, will be on your side. You'd be screwed forever.



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09 Sep 2009, 4:36 pm

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Yes. He needs to cut all contact. And no, absolutely nobody in this thread has said they would lie to the police.

Yes, someone said they would "do anything," which IRL terms could easily include lying to police. It's doubful people think "I am going to lie to the police" -- they just work themselves into a frenzy with their imaginings and suspicions, and then come to believe them & then present them as fact. People do that all the time.


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09 Sep 2009, 4:36 pm

I'm cool with waiting. The point of my posts is that you are putting yourself at legal risk and that a 14 year old girl is still a girl and not dating material.

If you want to wait, go ahead and wait. She might be a very nice woman in 4 years. Store her email address somewhere, continue to live your life, date other women. And in 4 years go ahead and touch base with her, wish her a happy 18th birthday, see how she feels.

Waiting is fine.



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09 Sep 2009, 4:38 pm

Seanmw wrote:
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Stop now before you get in legal trouble. Do not hang around waiting for her to get older. Do not hide a relationship from anybody because do not have a relationship in the first place. Do not ask her parents for permission. Do not write to her anymore.

You are treading in VERY dangerous water and you need to get out now. If you get on the sex offender registry, you are there for life.


oh, for the love of god, i'm very aware of that situation. not exactly planning to get that sexual anytime soon either. i'm not ret*d.
and i'm not some f***ing pedophile. waiting a few years wouldn't be that bad anyhow. look at your parents or your friend's parents maybe. because i know that as people get older no one cares if the people together have a few years between them.

my grandma and grandpa had a difference of 20 years. my parents: 6 years.
if you're saying waiting might be a waste of my time because things can change, then that's good advice.
but right now i'm just hearing a bunch of biased BS.

*sigh* i'm starting to think this thread was a terrible idea...


It doesn't matter whether or not you are planning to get sexual. If you stay in contact with her until she reaches the age of consent and both of you have sexual feelings, there is a high risk you will deviate from your plan. You may not see yourself as a f*** pedophile but the law most certainly will and your life will be destroyed. It is not worth it. Yes, when two adults have a relationship, nobody cares about the age difference between them. And when she is an adult, it will be fine that you are in your mid-20's. However, is it really worth the risk- of jail time, of being on the registry and being labeled scum, of never being able to live in certain places, of never holding certain jobs? You think I'm just talking hyperbole and overreacting. I am biased in your favor. I am biased for you. I haven't called you scum or a paedophile or anything because I am biased towards you and don't want to see you destroyed. And it would only take 15 minutes of "just this once, nobody will find out" to wreck your life.



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09 Sep 2009, 5:05 pm

I agree that a 14 year old is dangerous territory, but I wouldn't rule her out as a dating potential for a 19 year old. Studies have shown that women mature at a faster rate, add AS into the mix and you have a guy who needs experience. Today, a 19 year-old isn't as experienced as a 19 year old may have been in the past. My grandpa was on his own at 17, my dad was already married at 19, nowdays, guys get married into their late 20's or early 30's and I know more than a few who live with their parents up until that point. I consider a 19 year old to be in the same ball park as a 14 year old, they're both teenagers who have lots of living ahead of them, uncle sam just decided on a number for adulthood and stuck with it.

I personally go for older than me, but it isn't because of a "connection" it's just preference.



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09 Sep 2009, 5:11 pm

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This shouldn't even be a dilemma! As laura123 and Granite pointed out loud and clear, her parents could turn you in to the police at the drop of a hat. They might do that even in retaliation to something unrelated, like you tracking mud into their house. Obviously, if they have a shred of integrity, they won't do that, but they can easily do so if they wanted to. You are putting yourself in more danger than an elephant in a ivory poachers' camp. Yeah, it's unfair, but this what the NT society we created for us; now, we must live with it and pretend to enjoy it.

Honestly, 14 and 19 is too big of an age difference. You two are at very different life stages. Also, it would be hard to find activity you both can enjoy without the age thing coming into play: you can't see an R-rated movie together, most pool halls and some bowling alleys have an 18+ are restriction after a certain time, and I'm sure she has a curfew, so going out late is out of the question. I don't know how OK with it you'd be, but I definitely would have problems with it.

So what should you do? Start phasing out communication with the girl. Go online less and less often. Then after some time, make up a plausible excuse and end contact. Should her parents contact the police anyway, you'd have plausible deniability (an actual legal term): "I was talking to her online, but when I found out she was 14; I realized it was a bad idea to continue communication." Of course, this will only work if you did not suggest any meetings whatsoever, because that could be constructed as a proposition for sex and used against you big time.


while your arguement is a bit biased as well, it's a bit less harsh, and has some more helpful advice than some of the previous. and i can respect that.

just out of curiosity did you read the solution proposal i made at the end? because i was also somewhat curious if that was practical, or even a good idea.


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09 Sep 2009, 5:22 pm

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Ah you live in WA as well. Have you read the age of consent laws?

The age of consent in this great state of ours is 18. An exception is made for couples where the younger is at least 16 but not yet 18 and the older is no more than 5 years older. So a partner of a 16-18 year old must be in the 21-23 age bracket.

Since the girl you've met is under 16 and you are over 18, it is clearly illegal in every shape or form.

Furthermore, since you are 19 and she 14 (5 years), it becomes a matter of months or even days whether or not it would be legal when she turns 16. Age difference between you two must be less than 5 years.

That said, you need to stay away from her, laws or no laws. She's an immature kid with no personality of her own yet. I'd venture a guess that she's been very malleable with your presence in her life, and is merely parroting your own interests and desires. She will be a completely different person in 4 years.


actually, she hasn't really been parroting much of anything. seems rather more intelligent than most i've known her age. and believe me, wouldn't be the first 14 yr old that tried to hit on me. i usually turn them away because their lack of maturity is like a physical deterrent to me. ughh.

and the gap is no more than 5 years. it's 4 yrs. and 9 months. i'm aware of the consent laws. which is why at the end of my OP i made the proposal of waiting. waiting, and doing nothing sexual during that time. as in waiting and if we're both still interested in each other by then, then maybe going out. i honestly don't know how hard that is to grasp for some of you people who have been talking to me like i'm some despicable pedophile thus far. maybe this was just asking for a misunderstanding... *sigh*


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09 Sep 2009, 5:24 pm

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What is unfair in trying to protect your child? I'm glad there are laws that protect de child and family. Of course a 14 yo girl will be more than happy with the attention of an adult, of course she'll be happy to do anything to please him and I'm happy that legally she doesn't have consent to give.

It's unfair to the guy whose intentions just might be honorable. And the knee-jerk "think of the children!" response bothers me, to say the least. Single men are people too, and American women are having more and more difficulty believing that with each passing year. So what if they did get intimate? The 14-year-girl will walk away free, while the 19-year-old guy will go to prison and get labeled a child molester for the rest of his life. That would hold true even if the girl initiated sex. Even if no sex happened, but people think it happened, the guy would still go to prison. Please note that I'm not defending the notion of dating underage girls, and have no intention of ever doing so myself. If I don't put that disclaimer, "the society" (what/who is "society", anyway) accuses will label me a pedophile just for pointing out a more balanced point of view.

I'm wondering at this point if you would say the same thing if the ages were reversed: that is, if you had a 14-year-old son, and a 19-year-old girl showed interest in him. I'm sure your son would be thrilled beyond belief (I speak as a guy myself), but what would you say about this?



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09 Sep 2009, 5:24 pm

Sean, we are all on your side. We do NOT want you to find yourself in a heap of trouble. Message boards sometimes come off sounding harsher than people mean to sound.

Reread the posts, absorb the information and consider all the advice.

You don't have to take any of it.



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09 Sep 2009, 5:26 pm

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It sounds like she's crushing on you, but you need to stick with being friends. I don't see why you can't be friends, and acknowledge the romantic interest, without actually pursuing it.
sweet jesus!! i think someone finally grasped what i was saying in that last part 8O !

someone actually bothered to read the entire thing through and not just stop reading when they hit the bolded part. thank god above.


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