From lovers to friends-can it ever truely work?

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11 Oct 2009, 8:33 am

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Unless you want to cause problems in any future relationship you might have, it's not really a good idea to remain friends with an ex. Most people don't want to be in a relationship with someone who's ex-lovers are still part of their life. The only exception would be if you had a kid together and had to be in contact because of the kid.

You will probably feel emotional pain every time you see him and are reminded of the break up, and the events leading up to the break up. If he starts dating someone else, it will also hurt you much more to see him with his new girl all the time than it would if you simply heard that he was dating someone knew from mutual friends.

The only reasons people want to still be friends when they break up are because they are hoping to get back together eventually, or because they don't want to seem like the "bad guy" in the relationship by being the one to completely cut all contact. You even said it yourself, you are hoping that you can get back together someday. It never works out with people break up and get back together, and you will only be setting yourself up to be hurt again. I know several people who keep going back to their exes over and over, and it always ends the same.


LOL! I love the blanket generalizations based on...what exactly? My ex-bf and I have no plans to get back together, and never did. We're intellectual equals who respect each other and value each others' opinions. We're extremely compatible, and have an absolutely wonderful - platonic! - time when we're in one another's company (which is, sadly, very rare these days, as he's in Chicago and I'm stuck here in the mind-numbing boredom of CT). Neither one of us has any reason to cut contact with the other; if we did, our lives would be far poorer for it. Each of us is the other's only "real" friend; our social deficits (I suspect that he's also on the spectrum) have crippled us throughout our lives. We support each other's efforts to grow as human beings, as well. Perhaps we're simply more evolved than most people...


So basically, instead of moving on to form healthy relationships or friendships with people, you are holding on to the last remaining shreds of a failed relationship for no reason other than the fact that neither of you has any other friend. Sorry if I was being blunt, but based on observations of people I know, I didn't say anything that wasn't true.

Ex or not, it's not good to rely solely on one person who's your friend only because they too are socially inept. Been there, done that (wasn't ever in a relationship with this guy, but might as well have been), and it just keeps both people involved from moving on in their lives and forming actual meaningful relationships. (Back to the OP) Like your ex, this guy was the first person who really "got" me, but it just ended in us each enabling the other's unwillingness to actually socialize and grow as human beings. Common interests like TV shows, books, and video games aren't really enough, and those kinds of things can blind you into thinking someone who is all wrong for you is your perfect match.

From what the OP said, I was just trying to give the best advice I could. It sounded like the best thing would be to cut ties with the ex. It will probably take time to get over him, but it will be a lot easier if you don't have to see him on a regular basis. Try to go out and meet new people to forget about him. Eventually you'll make new friends who actually care about you, and when you're ready, you will meet someone better than your ex to start a relationship with. Just don't get sucked in to the trap of dating someone who is exactly like him. You said that he is exactly like your father. Try to identify the things about him that remind him of your father and stay away from guys like that.


Did you quote my post accidentally, or purposely? I'm not sure if I should address your advice to the OP or not, because I don't know if you're also directing it at me. I'm prepared to tear you a new one if you are, so let me know. ;)


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11 Oct 2009, 8:44 am

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But if you are such a good match, why did you break up, and why don't you consider getting back together?


That's not anyone's business but his and mine.


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13 Oct 2009, 1:58 am

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The thing is, he says we'd be better off as friends but I honestly don't know if it will work out.


It can. But it's not an easy route and generally, doesn't work.

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Although my heart feels like it's slowly being squeezed by a vice, I would rather have him in my life as a friend than not at all. The only thing is-if we didn't work out as lovers, how is it going to be if we decide to see each other on a platonic basis?

Yet I can't enter into this friendship with him if I know that it's going to be nothing more than a friendship.

It's been two days since we decided to split and I'm still raw.


That's the pain speaking. You're thinking a little bit of him is better than nothing. At this point, you need to work on yourself and your life, a life without him.

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I know it's going to difficult, for me in particular as although he's decided to the contuary, I still hold out hope that one day, when things are different and we both get our lives in order that we'll eventually get back together-however long it takes.

Maygbe it's because I put so much effort into the relationship that it hurts more for me.

Whatever the reason, I still want to make a go of things.


Yes. You've put in time, effort, blood, sweat and tears. It hurts people when they invest so much into any idea, concept or even a stock. They always 'hope' for a turn around. Divest yourself from him. If it helps, think it's only a short term break but you do need to get away. Otherwise you're in for a hell of a yo-yo ride.

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...he's my best friend-a rarity in my life. I miss him deeply but if this is only going to end in heartbreak, would it be best to cut him off completely?


Cut him off completely. You need time to grieve and time to find yourself. If you maintain contact with him and he moves on, it's going to hurt you soooo much more. In addition, you're going to miss out on your life's opportunities. But you dwelling on the relationship is simply doing harm to your own psyche.

If he is as you say, he'll be hard pressed to find someone to replace you, so you can hope.



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13 Oct 2009, 1:46 pm

^ agree with Merle.


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14 Oct 2009, 2:12 pm

I am touched and deeply humbled by the amount of kind words and sound advice in response to this topic.
It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside-a feeling I thought I'd never feel again.

Right now, it is a week on from the break-up and my feelings have radically changed. I'm not saying I'm no longer hurting but the pain has dimmed signifigantly in 7 short days. I'm no longer wasting my nights crying for something that will only cause more pain than joy in the long run.
In regards to identifying the traits he shares with my father, they had been staring me in the face throughout the entire relationship but until know, I tried to ignore them for the sake of the relationship.
I know now that I deserve so much more in life, that I can't keep reliving the nightmare of alcoholism over and over again.

The trouble is, to find someone else without some remote fondness of drink is like searching for a needle in a pile of needles.
I live in a country famous for its' drinking culture so unless I start hanging around AA meetings, I'm unlikely to find anyone with an adversion to alcohol.

As for becoming friends with this man, things have taking a confusing turn.

Today, I recieved a text message from him asking if I could come over so he could swap one of his DVDs for my own. I thought it was an odd request as I'd already gathered up my things from his house. Bewildered, I told him I didn't fancy a trade and let him keep one of the DVDs I'd left behind-sort of collateral damage if you will. I consulted my mother on the subject and she told me it's quite possible it could've been one of several scenerios:

1): He wants me to come over and try to salvage things.

2): He genuinely wants to swap DVDs.

3): He wants to try and woo me into becoming a "friend-with-benifits"

Whatever the reason, I didn't rise the bait. I've decided not to see him again until my 4-6 week cut-off period is over and my head is a little clearer but the fact that he's made the 1st move by contacting me after weeks shows he may possibly be experiencing regret but I'm not optimistic.

I'm going to thread with caution for the time being. If it turns out he just wants to talk, then I'll talk. Things will have to change radically if we're to get back on track, though. that's for damn sure.
but if it turns out he only wants to use me for cheap thrills, then it will be one more reason to cut him loose.

Thank you all for your kind support and advice.

I truely appreciate it. :)



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14 Oct 2009, 3:14 pm

Shastania wrote:
I am touched and deeply humbled by the amount of kind words and sound advice in response to this topic. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside-a feeling I thought I'd never feel again.


<wink> :)

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I know now that I deserve so much more in life, that I can't keep reliving the nightmare of alcoholism over and over again. The trouble is, to find someone else without some remote fondness of drink is like searching for a needle in a pile of needles. I live in a country famous for its' drinking culture so unless I start hanging around AA meetings, I'm unlikely to find anyone with an adversion to alcohol.


The penchant towards alcoholism runs through my fathers side of the family. There is the associated abusive behavior to go with it. However, neither seem to be part of my composition. So please, rest assured, there are bound to be people who don't have to imbibe to have a good time. You're not going to find them at a pub so you may need to broaden your circle of friends or places you hang out.

Give it time, there is no rush to do the right thing so don't settle!

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As for becoming friends with this man, things have taking a confusing turn.
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1): He wants me to come over and try to salvage things.
2): He genuinely wants to swap DVDs.
3): He wants to try and woo me into becoming a "friend-with-benifits"


It is not #2.

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Whatever the reason, I didn't rise the bait. I've decided not to see him again until my 4-6 week cut-off period is over and my head is a little clearer but the fact that he's made the 1st move by contacting me after weeks shows he may possibly be experiencing regret but I'm not optimistic.

I'm going to thread with caution for the time being. If it turns out he just wants to talk, then I'll talk. Things will have to change radically if we're to get back on track, though. that's for damn sure. But if it turns out he only wants to use me for cheap thrills, then it will be one more reason to cut him loose.


Very wise.



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21 Oct 2009, 11:09 am

I saw my ex for the first time since he contacted me over the DVDs.
For the last month or so, he'd talked of getting a cheap laptop so he could have mobile internet as he'd been cut off at home due to his mother lagging behind on payments.
Anyways, he called me up out of the blue at midnight last night, but I was sleeping at the time and didn't get to reply.
When I got up this morning, he'd sent me a text asking if we could meet up at the local Premier Inn (which is right next door to Harvey Normans) so we could catch up.

I decided to humor him, figuring if he was awake at 9:00am in the morning that he must have something very important to tell me.
(He rarely gets out of bed before noon so for him to be up at this hour is pretty signifigant)

So, after a quick shower and spruce up, I headed over to the inn and met him in the lounge at around 10.30am.

He was cooing and fawning over his laptop and for the next 20 minutes, he made me input the voucher code to enable the WIFI before proceeding to virtually ignore me while he fiddled about with his emails. Bewildered and mildly annoyed at being ignored, I ask him what the hell was going on.
He said he couldn't have input the codes without and that as his friend and mother didn't want to come along, he'd relied on me as company. He then tried to suggest we have a pint in the bar but it wasn't even noon yet and I called him on it.

I can't help but feel that over the last 5 weeks, he has been pushing me away by being distant just so he wouldn't have any distractions from saving up for the damn laptop. It feels like now that he's gotten the damn thing, he thinks he can call me up whenever he feels like it and pretend that he hasn't really hurt my feelings.

When I told him this, he didn't give me a straight answer and simpered in his seat.

He then started saying that the reason he was up so early was because he didn't want his mother's boyfriend to see the laptop as he'd probably take it off him, smash it and start a fight. My ex then proceeds to b***h and whinge over the fact that he can't cope living in the house with this man and just sits there moaning about he can't do anything.

By this stage, I'd had enough and told him to get a grip, grow up and get his act together.

If he was so hellbent on getting out of his turbulent home situation then he would've done something about it long before now.
He was so determined to get that laptop, though. Why couldn't he have put that determination to better use and actually done something useful with his life?

Instead of filling out the Housing Forms I gave him or trying to save for a deposit, he would much rather stay cooped up in his little loft bedroom popping "legal high" party pills, bitching about his mother/soon-to-stepfather/lack of a job/money/etc than being proactive and doing something about it.

Darwin knows I've tried my damndest to help him get ahead in life but he just wouldn't meet me halfway.

I've told him I don't know how many times how deterimental it is to constantly have to take care of him, fill out forms, tie his shoelaces and tell him how to do this that and the other.

I'm not putting up with it anymore. He can sit up in the attic and play the "poor me" card all his damn life for all I care. I refuse to let him drag me down with him into the dark hole he dug himself.

I deserve better and so have decided not to see, speak or contact the ungrateful little brat for the forseeable future.
If he can't grow up and act his age instead of his shoe-size, then I certainly do not want to have to pick up his toys everytime he throws them out of the pram.



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21 Oct 2009, 12:38 pm

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How did you make that transition, though?
Surely some part of you still pines for her?


The reason it didn't work out was because I suspect she may have been asexual (she had AS as well), and I felt that it would be better if she and I had been friends, rather than a couple.


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22 Oct 2009, 10:30 pm

That was basically me and my ex-girlfriend for a week. She wanted to be single for a while, and thought I deserved someone better than her.


And guess what....she has a new boyfriend now!! !! I wish I had the right to call her a jerk.



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22 Oct 2009, 10:39 pm

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How did you make that transition, though?
Surely some part of you still pines for her?


The reason it didn't work out was because I suspect she may have been asexual (she had AS as well), and I felt that it would be better if she and I had been friends, rather than a couple.


That's part of the reason why I broke up with my now-ex bf; I wanted sex all the time, and he really wasn't interested. I don't regret the years we spent together as a couple, though - and, as I've mentioned previously, we're still best friends.


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23 Oct 2009, 4:43 am

Yeah, asexuality can complicate things.


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23 Oct 2009, 10:58 am

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I saw my ex for the first time since he contacted me over the DVDs.
For the last month or so, he'd talked of getting a cheap laptop so he could have mobile internet as he'd been cut off at home due to his mother lagging behind on payments.
Anyways, he called me up out of the blue at midnight last night, but I was sleeping at the time and didn't get to reply.
When I got up this morning, he'd sent me a text asking if we could meet up at the local Premier Inn (which is right next door to Harvey Normans) so we could catch up.

I decided to humor him, figuring if he was awake at 9:00am in the morning that he must have something very important to tell me.
(He rarely gets out of bed before noon so for him to be up at this hour is pretty signifigant)

So, after a quick shower and spruce up, I headed over to the inn and met him in the lounge at around 10.30am.

He was cooing and fawning over his laptop and for the next 20 minutes, he made me input the voucher code to enable the WIFI before proceeding to virtually ignore me while he fiddled about with his emails. Bewildered and mildly annoyed at being ignored, I ask him what the hell was going on.
He said he couldn't have input the codes without and that as his friend and mother didn't want to come along, he'd relied on me as company. He then tried to suggest we have a pint in the bar but it wasn't even noon yet and I called him on it.

I can't help but feel that over the last 5 weeks, he has been pushing me away by being distant just so he wouldn't have any distractions from saving up for the damn laptop. It feels like now that he's gotten the damn thing, he thinks he can call me up whenever he feels like it and pretend that he hasn't really hurt my feelings.

When I told him this, he didn't give me a straight answer and simpered in his seat.

He then started saying that the reason he was up so early was because he didn't want his mother's boyfriend to see the laptop as he'd probably take it off him, smash it and start a fight. My ex then proceeds to b***h and whinge over the fact that he can't cope living in the house with this man and just sits there moaning about he can't do anything.

By this stage, I'd had enough and told him to get a grip, grow up and get his act together.

If he was so hellbent on getting out of his turbulent home situation then he would've done something about it long before now.
He was so determined to get that laptop, though. Why couldn't he have put that determination to better use and actually done something useful with his life?

Instead of filling out the Housing Forms I gave him or trying to save for a deposit, he would much rather stay cooped up in his little loft bedroom popping "legal high" party pills, bitching about his mother/soon-to-stepfather/lack of a job/money/etc than being proactive and doing something about it.

Darwin knows I've tried my damndest to help him get ahead in life but he just wouldn't meet me halfway.

I've told him I don't know how many times how deterimental it is to constantly have to take care of him, fill out forms, tie his shoelaces and tell him how to do this that and the other.

I'm not putting up with it anymore. He can sit up in the attic and play the "poor me" card all his damn life for all I care. I refuse to let him drag me down with him into the dark hole he dug himself.

I deserve better and so have decided not to see, speak or contact the ungrateful little brat for the forseeable future.
If he can't grow up and act his age instead of his shoe-size, then I certainly do not want to have to pick up his toys everytime he throws them out of the pram.


Shastania, good for you! Please please PLEEEASE do not get back together with this creep. He reminds me so much of my ex, I want to thump him for you!

Don't fall for any more phone-calls or texts; blot him out of your life and let him try the poor-widdle-me sob story on someone else!



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23 Oct 2009, 11:08 am

Yes, it can be done. I've maintained friendships with most ex-lovers, even decades later. On the other hand, this guy does not sound like someone I would want as a friend. Time to disconnect completely.



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06 Nov 2009, 1:45 pm

Got an email from him today.
It was the usual bullpoop-he said we were using each other as an ego trip, that I was clingy and neurotic and that he lives his life how He wants and I should've just put up with it.

In other words, he was shifting all the blame onto me for the break-up and twisting my words. *shakes head*
Guess I dodged a bullet in that sense. Still, I guess things could be much worse so I'm not getting hung up on it.
I deleted him from my phone and contacts list but there's no gurantee we'll never see each other again as we live in the same town.

But every day, I miss him less and less.

Whenever I think my resolve is slipping, I just remind myself of everything he did that drove me crazy and it reinforces my feeling of closure. I am done with him. He is a human parasite who was bleeding me dry emotionally and mentally.
I am not going to waste my time, breathe, energy or self-worth on this loser.

Thank you all for being very understanding and imparting your wisdom whilst I struggled to come to this conclusion.
I appreciate the advice and words of kindness (as well as the constructive criticism) and rest assured, that when the time comes when someone else enters my life in pursuit of a relationship, I will err on the side of caution in the future. :)



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06 Nov 2009, 1:48 pm

*Virtual hugs*

Hope I haven't offended.


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