Not being shallow
zeichner wrote:
I think there is an aesthetic difference between physical "beauty" and what is "attractive." I can totally appreciate a woman's physical appearance, without being attracted to her. For attraction to take place, I need to feel there is an intellectual connection.
But that doesn't stop me from looking at a woman, just to appreciate her physical appearance. In a way, it's like looking at a masterful painting or sculpture.
Wiith attraction (besides the intellectual part), I'm usually drawn to physical features that wouldn't be considered typically "beautiful" - but they are a big part of what I find "attractive."
But that doesn't stop me from looking at a woman, just to appreciate her physical appearance. In a way, it's like looking at a masterful painting or sculpture.
Wiith attraction (besides the intellectual part), I'm usually drawn to physical features that wouldn't be considered typically "beautiful" - but they are a big part of what I find "attractive."
Really, intellectual attraction?
I just want to shag.
Intellect is Innerlichkeit.
HH wrote:
jawbrodt wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Actually I disagree. What you're talking about is just some random girl to bang, in a proper relationship the people actually enjoy spending time with one another.
No, we're talking about the same thing.
hale_bopp, jawbrodt is trying to tell you something that is actually true about quite a few men. Far from all, probably a minority, but enough of them that they're not hard to find either.
Such men get married because they hope it means a more ready supply of sex. Everything else they view as meaningless stuff they try to avoid but put up with just enough to get to the sex.
Their wives don't generally keep them long.
Nope, still wrong.
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Everything else they view as meaningless stuff they try to avoid but put up with just enough to get to the sex.
Yeah, there are guys like that out there, probably quite a few, but that is totally unrelated to what I was saying. For the majority of normal relationships, nothing is viewed as "meaningless stuff", and being together is a wonderful thing. I also believe that.
But, there isn't a guy out there(aside from the exceptions. work with me.lol) who doesn't find physical beauty desirable, and appealing. The truth is, that a guy will look for women of the highest beauty that they are capable of attracting, and being compatible with, at the same time. If they tell you otherwise, then that's because either....A)physical qualities, B) Personality, or C) insecurities, are keeping them from pursuing 'more beauty'. They have reached their potential, and are content with that. That's why most couples that you see, are pretty well 'balanced', physically.
Anyone who claims otherwise, is lying, or in denial.
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Being attracted to physical beauty is not shallow in itself. Shallowness is no more male than it is female.
Really the problem is people talking in obscure metaphors, because the something must be wrong with "other people", but they haven't actually figure what it is they want to say about them.
There are a number of things attributed to shallowness, but these can be contradictory. Simplistic males don’t have the ability to concoct some sort facade.
HH wrote:
jawbrodt wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Actually I disagree. What you're talking about is just some random girl to bang, in a proper relationship the people actually enjoy spending time with one another.
No, we're talking about the same thing.
hale_bopp, jawbrodt is trying to tell you something that is actually true about quite a few men. Far from all, probably a minority, but enough of them that they're not hard to find either.
Such men get married because they hope it means a more ready supply of sex. Everything else they view as meaningless stuff they try to avoid but put up with just enough to get to the sex.
Their wives don't generally keep them long.
Yeah maybe, I wouldn't call that a proper relationship though. Its one not worth having.
jawbrodt wrote:
The truth is, that a guy will look for women of the highest beauty that they are capable of attracting, and being compatible with, at the same time.
Again, I don't agree. A lot of men will choose someone who is less attractive that they can connect to better over somoene pretty/cute/hot that they can connect to to a degree.
Unless you're talking about two people of exact equal compatibility where one is better looking than the other?
0_equals_true wrote:
First you have to establish what shallow means because I don't count pickiness as shallow. I think pickiness is so normal you can't pin it on one sex. It is something we do without thinking about it. There is nothing wrong with it.
Never said it was. I'm extremely picky, but it's not about looks.
TBH if someone is "picky" about looks and doesn't date someone who they would otherwise like BECAUSE of the looks...that is shallow.
But we can't help who we are physically attracted to.
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hale_bopp wrote:
jawbrodt wrote:
The truth is, that a guy will look for women of the highest beauty that they are capable of attracting, and being compatible with, at the same time.
Again, I don't agree. A lot of men will choose someone who is less attractive that they can connect to better over somoene pretty/cute/hot that they can connect to to a degree.
Unless you're talking about two people of exact equal compatibility where one is better looking than the other?
Actually, you are agreeing with me, you just aren't admitting it.
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hale_bopp wrote:
Never said it was. I'm extremely picky, but it's not about looks.
TBH if someone is "picky" about looks and doesn't date someone who they would otherwise like BECAUSE of the looks...that is shallow.
But we can't help who we are physically attracted to.
TBH if someone is "picky" about looks and doesn't date someone who they would otherwise like BECAUSE of the looks...that is shallow.
But we can't help who we are physically attracted to.
That would depend on where you would draw the line. There has to be physical attraction there on some degree. Or at the very least you can't be completely repulsed.
I would say those that go only on looks are about as likely as those that are only attracted to personality. It just might not be as obvious to them or others that they have other requirements. Maybe it is some peoples' view a person may be attracted to an "anti personality" so when it turns out that the love interest has a "personality" they run for the hills. However an "anti personality" is still a personality, regardless of what people think. If they really didn’t care about personality it wouldn’t be an issue.
Personally I don’t see someone on the street, and think they are hot. I could care less about celebrities. I tend to ignore, only start to fancy people I’ve got to know a bit. However that doesn’t mean that those that do are shallow, because majority of people who are capable of that.
Maybe the shallowness you notice here is really cluelessness about what to expect. Expectations are often based on experience and exposure. If their knowledge comes from movies and idle talk, then they are not going to appear very deep.
