Should I take the plunge?????
Expressing concerns is one thing, but, passing judgement is not good!
My concern is that this may be rushing too fast. This is not the first time I have seen an older woman/younger aspie male relationship in a forum. I'm sad to say that the majority were/are in trouble. Mostly because IMO, realistic expectations and goals were left to chance or not expressed clearly and properly.
Peace
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"One of the great mental freedoms is truly not caring what anyone else thinks of you." --anon
Bobbins, My advice to you would be go slow, be very realistic and painfully truthful to yourself and your boyfriend.
I'll give you some of my experiences. My husband and I are not NT by a long shot. I don't know what I am. I've done some self-tests and turn out to be more AS than NT but not extremely AS. My husband has been officially diagnosed with ADHD but I wonder if it's not something more.
I love my husband and he, me and we are HOT for each other and fiercely loyal but... we have had a very stormy relationship and found it very difficult.
In the beginning of our relationship, he was so very rigid. He absolutely had to have a routine and a plan for everyday or he'd go berserk! I did not understand this because I have always been somewhat of 'take life as it happens' kind of person and reisist rules and schedules. He would rant at me if I said that I was going to do something and did not do it, even something as insignificant as the laundry! His mind couldn't cope with changes of any kind! He had sleep problems and wanted to keep me awake with him and couldn't believe that I didn't want to share in many of his ideas! He would get quite offended and rant and obsess on all of these issues. Our marriage did not meet his expectations and he could not get over it. He would go to some very faulty extreme conclusions about me and our marriage based on his overreactions about the above situations.
Some of my 'differences' were, I don't express my feelings correctly, my facial expressions don't relay the right message sometimes, I didn't (past tense) like to be touched (not talking about sex, but touch), I didn't like to talk nor listen nearly as much as he does, I don't respond like most women, am somewhat unemotional, not sentimental, didn't like to do things unless there's a logical reason to do them, didn't care a wit about schedules and routines.
I already had children when we met and he was wonderful with them....BEFORE the marriage but with the stress of having an instant family and having his personal time and solitude taken, he was pretty much a washout as a parent to the first set of children, mainly due to his ranting and angry tantrums, not handling stresses well that most people can deal with.
We both crave peace and quiet and are very stressed at noise levels. He is very sensitive to sounds and the slightest sound will wake him with a start.
A large portion of the grief we endured was due to the fact that he could not admit that he had any problem at all but blamed everything, even things that could not possibly be my fault, on me. He would not even entertain the notion that he was 'different' except more intelligent than others. In his view, everyone was like he was and he wanted the world (environment) to change to suit him and he expected me, as his wife, to accomplish this!
After 13 years, alot of fighting, 2 break-ups and much prayer and growth, we are finally getting it together. He can admit now that he has some behaviors that don't necessarily make sense. He finally sees, for the most part, that not everyone is like him, he is a bit unusual. Now that our son has been dx'd w/AS he sees that he and I at least have "shadow-traits". But better than anything has been age. He has slowed down a bit and some of the fire has burned out so he listens better and considers others' needs and views a little more.
You may not have any of the concerns that I have spelled out here. But you should be very realistic, because his chances of changing or adapting alot are probably more slim than that of a typical person. Also, people with AS do think much differently. You need to think about how this will affect you and your kids. Are you a high maintainance kind of woman? Do you need to feel treasured and put on a pedastal? If you do, be forewarned. Many AS individuals find it hard enough just coping with their own stuff. This doesn't mean that they cannot offer anything nor be loving, but it will probably look alot different than you might expect.
On the flip side, you may love him precisely because of his differences and willing to work with him. Just don't make the mistake of thinking that you'll be able to change him significantly. I would recommend that you do alot of reading about AS, fiction and factual and books about relationships. It is difficult because many people have advised me to dump my husband, thinking that he was just a selfish prick but he really wasn't. He just couldn't cope and it took him a long time to adjust. (over a decade!)
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"Honey, would you buy me some boobles for my 40th b-day?" "No way, they're too expensive. Your own baubles will have to do."
Bland, people have said I should get rid of my husband too, mostly family.
But they gave up, well except for my dad lol.
I agree with you AS people do think completely differently, and they find it hard to adjust to new situations. My husband was one for doing exactly what we said we would do, I managed to get him out of this to some extent. We would plan to go out the next day, I would purposely sleep in and say it was too late, I would do the laundry the next day. Little by little he learned that a schedule could be broken with no ill affects. But after 25 years he still can't do the washing up properly. He really looks as though he has an aversion against the washing up sponge. he gingerly washes up, so it doesn't get done very well.
Most of the child rearing was left to me, he couldn't take the stress. Fortunately he worked most of their childhood, but weekends were a strain on him and me. He did and accasionally does have temper tantrums. Like a five year old who thinks he has been delibrately confused. and he gets confused very easily. We can't have any deep conversations with him, we can't talk about feelings or issues to do with the heart. these concepts take longer then the usual conversation to get through to him. But my other three Aspies love talking about these things. they can play the If game. He can't.
Bland you are so right about the pedestall, very rarely do I get complimented, he seems to think I already know why he loves me etc. I have to remind him that I like to hear why, and like to be told that he does love me.
AS people are all different, but there are so many things that make them the same.
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You never know whats around the corner. or who?
Would like to write a reply, but am still a bit stunned by Bubbles' judgement on me.. I may well be childish(maybe thats why I get on with a younger bloke!), and very probably rose tinted, but in my defence that is why I asked the question on tis site. I have some experince with AS/Aspergers before, but in a romantic setting none.. I have pretty much raised my 2 children single handedly and built up a business on my own, so expext/need very little from a relationship. I certainly have no desire to change him, none of us can do that. I just feel that I misread him, and assume his feelings are negative towards me, when I am slowly learning that I am on the wrong planet and not him!! What is so gtreat about this site is that there are peope who have an aspie relationship that works, with much give and take, and that gives me a sense of possiblity about my own!! I am under no illusions that it will be easy, but its got to be worth a go.. My concern is that he may be better off wit out me, and that the stress a relationship causes may be more difficult for hi to deal with, compared to others...
Thankyou to all who have given advice...
I watched my sons world fall apart because of an older women who thought my son sould be a bit of fun. It turned out she was married, she had three children. Two of which got really messed up as they didn't understand. She just didn't care about anyone but herself and it was everyone else who suffered because of it.
All I can say is from your attitude you come across as if you are in a dream land. If your having to ask what should you do from a forum I suspect you have more underling problem.
Maybe I seem harsh but if someone had made my sons girlfriend (If you can call her that) see sense then a lot of people would not have been hurt. Your not a teenager anymore and you have children.
Are you married, divorced or single?
Why didn't your last relationship work out?
Amazing, Bubbles, how you can extrapolate from your own isolated experience, and then pass judgement onto others without proper justification. A rare gift.
How does seeking informed advice - from a forum dedicated to helping people in these situations - highlight 'underlying problems'?
I understand that you may feel resentful towards anyone exhibiting behaviour you might associate with that of your son's girlfriend - but this is a different (albeit similar) situation - involving different people. And the fact that Bobbins is searching this forum for advice and support suggests to me that this is more than a bit of fun to her, and that she does care about how others around her will be affected.
Triax
Thankyou Triax for your support, I appreciate it very much. I am not prepared to discuss my marital status, or reasons as to why a previous relationship broke down.
Bubbles, I am also sorry to hear that you and your son have had an awful experience.... I have been honest with the father of my children from day 1, and also with aspie..
Anyway have taken plunge, in a very self controlled way, all parties ok at the mo, and no lies or secrets...
Bobbins, sorry you feel you've been treated harsh. Bubbles had some serious and hard-hitting things to say but I don't feel they should be disregarded as rude. I would think that you should consider them. They may or may not apply to your situation but still are worth investigating. You probably know yourself fairly well. My biggest concern for you is that you will be expecting your boyfriend to treat you the way that you are used to men treating you or the way that you wish to be treated. This may or may not happen. My assumption would be that it probably won't happen and you should decide if you can be happy with that. Also, think about how this could affect your kids. Are they going to get what they need? I'm not saying that they won't because not all people with AS have serious relational problems but many do. I am a weird mom to my kids but they were born to me and have never known anything else. It's different with yours. Be honest, careful, and slow. (I'm sorry to repeat myself. You can tell me to bug off if you'd like.)
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"Honey, would you buy me some boobles for my 40th b-day?" "No way, they're too expensive. Your own baubles will have to do."
Bland, thankyou for your post... I have always been aware of his aspergers, and have very much understood and loved him for it as a friend, I feel that we have been very close for over 4 years...I just didnt realise the depth of my/his feelings till very recently.. To some extent I have no preconceptions about how the relationship may develop, it will certainly be steady!!!He has been a close friend of the family for these years too, the children admire and respect him and accept that he is a large part of my life already, as I spend time with him professionally too! I am extremely lucky that he and I can discuss all issues at some length and so far have found ways forward...
I am optomistic and cautious about our future together but he lights up my life, even when he is stressed and struggling with life. I believe that he feels the same about me?! !! !
as ever thankyou for your help...
bobbins wrote: He has been a close friend of the family for these years too, the children admire and respect him and accept that he is a large part of my life already, as I spend time with him professionally too! I am extremely lucky that he and I can discuss all issues at some length and so far have found ways forward...
I am optomistic and cautious about our future together but he lights up my life, even when he is stressed and struggling with life. I believe that he feels the same about me?! !! !
It looks as though you're pretty well aquainted then. It's always a bit harder to see the whole picture from an outsiders view. I did not realize you have known him for so long. Good luck to you both. Let us know if you get engaged so we can throw you a virtual party!!
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"Honey, would you buy me some boobles for my 40th b-day?" "No way, they're too expensive. Your own baubles will have to do."
Yes, I have been mates with hime for 4 or 5 years, we have always had a very close fun friendly relationship, he told me about the aspie thing very early on, but he does deal with it extroadinarily well! Recently though he has been a huge support, as I had to deal with a lot of crap of late, which has now passed, and I realised that I felt more than matey feelings! I finally plucked up the courage to ask him how he felt, and was amazed that he felt the same way!! !. It was then though that the aspie thing became more of a concern, hence my interest on this site...I know he reads this forum, sos I wont speak on his behalf, but it has been a huge relief to find that certain aspects of our realtionship seem to be a very common aspie/nt mix!!
You will be the first(ish)to know of any impending bells, we will have some party I can assure you!!
thanks again...
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