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Yes, of course, I'm not excusing anything, just sympathetic.

Yes, there should be and there are many who are. But they want a relationship and you have repeatedly stated that you don't want that. Are there girls who would be into casual sex with no relationship and not holding out for a hunk? Yes there are those too. And you've already encountered them. And already discounted them because you consider them below you in the looks rating system.

Are there girls who you would rank as similar in looks to you and who would be into casual sex? Yes there are. But they will either hold out for a hunk .And why should they say no to a hunk if it's just for a casual fling? Would you say no to a hot girl for a casual fling on the grounds that somewhere out there an average girl might want you? Of course not. Or perhaps no hunk comes along for her so she decides to get more realistic with her expectations. Even then, if she's just interested in casual sex, she is unlikely to want to have casual sex with a virgin.

A hooker really would be an optimal way for you to lose your virginity at this point, Holding out for a nice looking girl to de-virginate you with no expectation of any relationship in return is just unrealistic.

When it comes to being with other people (hookup, marriage, short term, long term, what have you) I don't think there is any such thing as deserving or not deserving, I think those are just the wrong concepts to approach human relationships with. Instead of deserving/not deserving, I think there is the fact of how what you want lines up with what other people want. The odds of a "cute, above average looking" woman wanting sex with an angry virgin who will hate all her friends and wont go to any parties or have any sort of relationship at all with her are pretty slim. Posters (including me) gave TimTex a hard time for his long and convoluted wish list but this is no less impossible. The reason I try to keep gently poking ToadofSteel is because he seems to actually be looking for a woman who exists: a quiet, somewhat religious clingy introvert who wants a long term relationship. There must be thousands of women like that, he just has to find a way to meet them. But your wish list seems a lot less fulfillable.

So we're not friends on here?

Do not be a conformist , do not change. This is a support website where people can psychologically vent, if one doesn't like your vent then she or he can just ignore it. Many others are not better than you , or maybe just like you ....but just less straightforward.

You misunderstood me. Of course we're friends on here too.

Janissy, a guy that's a 6/7 on the looks scale wanting sex with a woman that's a 6/7 on the looks scale is nothing like Tim's desire for a kinky christian that loves south park.

I'm starting to think though pretending to want a relationship and just exiting after the deed is done is the best way to go. Not usually my style, but if it gets me what I want - sex with a cute woman - why not.

Are you sure? Because I've only ever met one woman like that, and she broke up with me...

*shrug* I know I have posted some comments on here too that I wish that I haven't so I can't really point fingers at you without being a hypocrite. So yeah.

That sounds like a profile on eharmony.com. Seriously, most of the women there are religious introverts looking for long-term relationships. Make a profile Toad! Doooo eeeeet.

I am sure. Because she was 17. That's not a woman. That's a teenage girl. It's perfectly appropriate for teens to get into short-lived relationships as part of the learning process. A 17 year old girl isn't supposed to be making long commitments (although I realize that in some cultures she doesn't have a choice and those commitments are made for her). It's a time of getting together and breaking up to figure out how to interact with the opposite sex.

A woman your age or slightly older will be in a life stage that's a better match for you. You can't expect a 17 year old to behave as though she was 26.

This advice is just so destructive. If he doesn't change, his life will not change. So instead of being a 26-year-old, angry, virgin - he'll be an older-than-26-year-old, angrier, virgin. This is not about "conformity" or "rugged individualism." This is about continuing to act in a way that does not produce the preferred outcome. Without change - significant change - the outcome won't change either.

You're really overrating what league you're in. It's not your looks that determine it, it's you're options. For guys, looks are only a small part of the equation. It really works more like averaging your looks, style, wealth, and confidence, then multiplying that by your charisma and social proof. Comparing your looks to a girl's looks isn't a valid parallel.

If you're desperately looking for women to accept you, then your options will be women desperately looking for men to accept them. And women fitting that description are generally not very attractive. You need to get real, get laid (by whoever), stop worrying about sex, and work your way up from there.

I have great style. One thing that I do have. I shop more than a teenage girl.

And two things that will never happen...me going the RIcky5 route and paying for it, or having sex with an ugly woman (what I consider ugly.) I'd rather be the frustrated man that I am.

I got a woman that's an 8/9 with my looks alone. It wasn't my personality that attracted her.

^But that's not really true, is it?

I wasn't implying that I'm a model...I'm implying that I was her physical type. When she picked me up on our first date, she was worried that I didn't find her pretty enough, and said I looked much better than I did in my pics. Her mom called her (as one of those first-date "out" calls) and she said "It's alright, mom, he's really handsome."