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01 Dec 2010, 6:56 pm

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it's a sexist goal to expect girls to agreeable but encouraging boys to be brash and outspoken. yes, it would be wonderful if both sexes were nicer to humankind, but nobody EVER refers to young men as "agreeable young boys".


That's strictly cultural - very Anglo-Saxon in my experience, apologies for the generalisation. You'll find something extremely different in Sweden for instance and not only there. I've seen a few American or British men called out as savages in Scandinavia, due to their more aggressive or competitive behaviour.

yes, my comment may only apply to the primarily english-speaking world. but women have quite an equal position in sweden right? so it makes sense that there would be similar expectations for both girls and boys as children.


Sure, but this was supposed to be about American women. Reading these forums, you get the impression that most women aspire to have a husband wealthy enough so they can give up their job and stay home and have babies. I think the majority of women over here would be horrified by this. My question was - how much truth is in the stereotype - is it strong enough for a woman to see her looks as her only bargaining chip?


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01 Dec 2010, 6:58 pm

And where exactly are these gold-digger hiding - I've never heard any woman on this forum speaking like that, somehow the ones making a huge fuss about looks are usually men...


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01 Dec 2010, 6:58 pm

Sallamandrina wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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hyperlexian wrote:
it's a sexist goal to expect girls to agreeable but encouraging boys to be brash and outspoken. yes, it would be wonderful if both sexes were nicer to humankind, but nobody EVER refers to young men as "agreeable young boys".


That's strictly cultural - very Anglo-Saxon in my experience, apologies for the generalisation. You'll find something extremely different in Sweden for instance and not only there. I've seen a few American or British men called out as savages in Scandinavia, due to their more aggressive or competitive behaviour.

yes, my comment may only apply to the primarily english-speaking world. but women have quite an equal position in sweden right? so it makes sense that there would be similar expectations for both girls and boys as children.


Sure, but this was supposed to be about American women. Reading these forums, you get the impression that most women aspire to have a husband wealthy enough so they can give up their job and stay home and have babies. I think the majority of women over here would be horrified by this. My question was - how much truth is in the stereotype - is it strong enough for a woman to see her looks as her only bargaining chip?

most western nations have nearly identical rates of women in the workforce, so i think the stereotype is unfairly applied. as many women in the u.s. work full-time as in any european country.


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01 Dec 2010, 7:00 pm

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And where exactly are these gold-digger hiding - I've never heard any woman on this forum speaking like that, somehow the ones making a huge fuss about looks are usually men...


That's obvious, women like that don't come to this forum, did you actually expect them to come talk with other people on an aspie forum?



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01 Dec 2010, 7:02 pm

I've met some rather hot women that are working. Maybe in middle America and more affluent areas, yes the stay at home mom is all the rage.

As for male agressiveness, I'll add onto Sallamandrina's point that Asian men are also seen as timid, weak and passive compared to American or British men. If you ask me, it sucks to be an Asian male. We can't get women to save our lives, but gay men LOVE Asian guys because of the fact we're quiet and passive.



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01 Dec 2010, 7:03 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
Sallamandrina wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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it's a sexist goal to expect girls to agreeable but encouraging boys to be brash and outspoken. yes, it would be wonderful if both sexes were nicer to humankind, but nobody EVER refers to young men as "agreeable young boys".


That's strictly cultural - very Anglo-Saxon in my experience, apologies for the generalisation. You'll find something extremely different in Sweden for instance and not only there. I've seen a few American or British men called out as savages in Scandinavia, due to their more aggressive or competitive behaviour.

yes, my comment may only apply to the primarily english-speaking world. but women have quite an equal position in sweden right? so it makes sense that there would be similar expectations for both girls and boys as children.


Sure, but this was supposed to be about American women. Reading these forums, you get the impression that most women aspire to have a husband wealthy enough so they can give up their job and stay home and have babies. I think the majority of women over here would be horrified by this. My question was - how much truth is in the stereotype - is it strong enough for a woman to see her looks as her only bargaining chip?

most western nations have nearly identical rates of women in the workforce, so i think the stereotype is unfairly applied. as many women in the u.s. work full-time as in any european country.


It's not because women are stuck up or snooty that they won't ever go to work. Also I'm pretty certain that the women in the US that are stuck up are part of another generation than the women that are a little older and have work.



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01 Dec 2010, 7:07 pm

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it would definitely be a good cultural shift to have men free to embrance their sensitivity and emotions.

The predator/protector issue would have to be resolved. I have a feeling that some of the newer mixed martial arts disciplines, particularly some of the Filipino and Indonesian concoctions that guys like Dan Inosanto work on these days, will have a lot to do with making a much more reliable 'great equalizer' than guns.



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01 Dec 2010, 7:08 pm

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most western nations have nearly identical rates of women in the workforce, so i think the stereotype is unfairly applied. as many women in the u.s. work full-time as in any european country.


Then maybe it's a sour grapes thing. You know, I've asked this question several times here and people avoided an answer. I've asked a few women privately and they all denied it - they were all good looking, educated and working - I had no reasons not to believe them.

For me it's still a mystery why so many American men seem to feel this way :? (if you saw my edit a few posts above, I encountered this attitude in men living outside US)


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01 Dec 2010, 7:09 pm

there are always going to be a certain number of men and women that do not have dates, whether they live in the u.s. or europe. if it is so much easier for an unattractive male to date a beautiful woman in europe, the who the heck are the attractive men dating? or the unattractive women?


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01 Dec 2010, 7:12 pm

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And where exactly are these gold-digger hiding - I've never heard any woman on this forum speaking like that, somehow the ones making a huge fuss about looks are usually men...

Women like that are barely computer literate and would not know what a forum is, let alone how to use one.

I'm serious.



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01 Dec 2010, 7:13 pm

Sallamandrina wrote:
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most western nations have nearly identical rates of women in the workforce, so i think the stereotype is unfairly applied. as many women in the u.s. work full-time as in any european country.


Then maybe it's a sour grapes thing. You know, I've asked this question several times here and people avoided an answer. I've asked a few women privately and they all denied it - they were all good looking, educated and working - I had no reasons not to believe them.

For me it's still a mystery why so many American men seem to feel this way :? (if you saw my edit a few posts above, I encountered this attitude in men living outside US)

i see what you are saying. i think it is perpetuated in the american (and canadian media). there is even a t.v. show called "Princess" that has women living above their means and focusing on physical beauty. but personally i think it makes for good t.v. watching because it is outside the norm.

(and i think that on these forums people seek to demonize those groups of women (or men) that they cannot seem to attain)


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01 Dec 2010, 7:14 pm

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And where exactly are these gold-digger hiding - I've never heard any woman on this forum speaking like that, somehow the ones making a huge fuss about looks are usually men...

Women like that are barely computer literate and would not know what a forum is, let alone how to use one.

I'm serious.

wow, that is one very silly stereotype that is completely unbased in reality.


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01 Dec 2010, 7:15 pm

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But why???!

Imagine if no one tried to take advantage of our fellow humans, and no one ever tried to deny other's desires, or exert power over them. People would never lose their youthful naiveté and the world would be a much better place.

Maybe we'll have that in a 1000 years. But not any time soon.

it's a sexist goal to expect girls to agreeable but encouraging boys to be brash and outspoken. yes, it would be wonderful if both sexes were nicer to humankind, but nobody EVER refers to young men as "agreeable young boys".


Please don't put words in my mouth. I have said nothing of the sort, nor would I ever.



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01 Dec 2010, 7:16 pm

They usually are, and they think that all women should look like them. like :roll:


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01 Dec 2010, 7:16 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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And where exactly are these gold-digger hiding - I've never heard any woman on this forum speaking like that, somehow the ones making a huge fuss about looks are usually men...

Women like that are barely computer literate and would not know what a forum is, let alone how to use one.

I'm serious.

wow, that is one very silly stereotype that is completely unbased in reality.

And your source is???

Before I became an engineer and escaped the hell that is the IT helpdesk, I used to interact with computer users. Thousands of them. That's my source.



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01 Dec 2010, 7:17 pm

Dilbert wrote:
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But why???!

Imagine if no one tried to take advantage of our fellow humans, and no one ever tried to deny other's desires, or exert power over them. People would never lose their youthful naiveté and the world would be a much better place.

Maybe we'll have that in a 1000 years. But not any time soon.

it's a sexist goal to expect girls to agreeable but encouraging boys to be brash and outspoken. yes, it would be wonderful if both sexes were nicer to humankind, but nobody EVER refers to young men as "agreeable young boys".


Please don't put words in my mouth. I have said nothing of the sort, nor would I ever.

you brought up the "agreeable girls" phrase, not me.


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