Infatuation, obsession, not letting go, etc.

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15 Dec 2010, 4:30 pm

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This has happened to me and it can be painful. There was a bartender at a restaurant I started crushing on hard. She never told me she wasn't interested but I had to have it explained to me that she was telling me by not smiling and attempting to appear cold and distant. That was so frustrating, all she had to do was say something and I would have left her alone but it dragged on for a while until I got banned from the place and had letter of disinvite served to me by the local police department. I loved trivia nights at that place and she didn't even work those nights! A previous obsession was dispelled by a dinner date where I realized she wasn't at all the person I thought she was and it was *poof* obsession gone, painlessly.


The world would be such a much better place if people weren't passive aggressive like that bartender.

i don't really understand how the bartender could have behaved differently. because she worked in a service position, she was required to be friendly to customers no matter what. she used all of the tools at her disposal to try to get her point across without being bad at her job (i.e. just not smiling and seeming cold and distant). presumably she could not outright reject Mack27 because he didn't outright hit on her or ask her out.

we are assuming that Mack27's friends explained to him that the bartender wasn't interested after he was barred from the place. but... did Mack27's friends tell him she was not interested first, and then he kept on trying to hit on her? we don't actually know either way.


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15 Dec 2010, 6:14 pm

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Well I have this obsession with a beautiful girl that I used to be friends with. She was so beautiful sometimes I couldn't help myself, I had to touch her, either her ass, her boobs or her legs. The weird thing is she didn't mind most of the times. In fact she was the one who wanted to be friends with me in the first place, at first I didn't think this super hot girl would have anything to do with me but she actually started talking with me a whole lot. She was the first girl that I had actually gotten attention from and she's the reason I can actually talk to girls now(if I can talk to this hot girl I can talk to any girl). At first I just wanted to be friends but eventually I got hugely infatuated. She said stuff like, I'm so horny I might jump you or she would ask me to touch her boobs or she wrote my address on a piece of paper(don't even know where she got that from). At that time I was still pretty stupid and she also had a boyfriend so I didn't know how to react. I just thought she was being friendly as it was obvious I was still a virgin. Anyway this continued for a year or so until we both quit those classes. After I stopped seeing her I thought about it and I felt like she was into me at the time but I can't be certain and I don't remember those times all to well because I was to dumb at that point. A couple of months ago I finally told her how I felt, that I was in love with her because I couldn't bear it anymore, she didn't really react in a positive or negative way, but I knew she a boyfriend she cared deeply for so I didn't really matter. And btw I didn't want to steal her from her boyfriend, I just wanted to express my feelings because I couldn't lie to her anymore.
The fact is she's the first girl that gave me so much attention, she helped solve my girl shyness, we were good friends, I was allowed to touch her body and she was really really beautiful, probably the most beautiful girl I know(that's no exaggeration, she was model quality) so yeah I'm still kinda infatuated. Oh btw she wasn't slut if any of you think that.


Man, those are the ones you kick yourself about later, I hear ya. But just think -- she liked you, so probably you'll get someone else in that same range (if that is what is important to you).

And the BF thing -- up to you whether you want to be too strict about not wanting to get involved. It really depends on your level of comfort with that -- I've done both (avoided because of a BF, and helped someone cheat with their BF). You definitely feel shittier when you help someone cheat, but sometimes the experience is almost worth it.



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16 Dec 2010, 7:08 am

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Is this common among people w/ AS or HFA?

Most importantly, WHY does this happen, and how can it be prevented or at least dealt with when it does happen?


From what I understand...sometimes aspies will become particularly interested (or obsessed) with a person like they are their "special interest". I don't know how you would prevent it. I've never been obsessed with someone in a stalker-esque kind of way, but when I've been really into someone that I wanted to get my mind off of...I do other things to keep my mind occupied and stay happy. Particularly hang out with other people so I don't feel lonely, unless you're someone who has too much social anxiety for that, or is just a big time loner kind of person.


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16 Dec 2010, 4:24 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
Shebakoby wrote:
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This has happened to me and it can be painful. There was a bartender at a restaurant I started crushing on hard. She never told me she wasn't interested but I had to have it explained to me that she was telling me by not smiling and attempting to appear cold and distant. That was so frustrating, all she had to do was say something and I would have left her alone but it dragged on for a while until I got banned from the place and had letter of disinvite served to me by the local police department. I loved trivia nights at that place and she didn't even work those nights! A previous obsession was dispelled by a dinner date where I realized she wasn't at all the person I thought she was and it was *poof* obsession gone, painlessly.


The world would be such a much better place if people weren't passive aggressive like that bartender.

i don't really understand how the bartender could have behaved differently. because she worked in a service position, she was required to be friendly to customers no matter what. she used all of the tools at her disposal to try to get her point across without being bad at her job (i.e. just not smiling and seeming cold and distant). presumably she could not outright reject Mack27 because he didn't outright hit on her or ask her out.

we are assuming that Mack27's friends explained to him that the bartender wasn't interested after he was barred from the place. but... did Mack27's friends tell him she was not interested first, and then he kept on trying to hit on her? we don't actually know either way.


I don't think she was passive aggressive. It wasn't explained to me before, and I never went there with friends. I didn't catch the signs until thinking back on it after the fact while talking to a therapist. This is something I got very depressed over. I don't blame her, I feel bad that she got scared. She volunteers for some autistic children's skiing program, so I thought maybe she'd be more understanding. If it was somebody else and I was normal every day me observing I would have recognized what was going on, for some reason I let my guard down in that place and all the mental tools I've developed to read people went down with it.



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17 Dec 2010, 7:25 pm

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Alot of people say "I just want to be friends". That is just trying to let them down easy, not hurt them. They really want nothing to do with them. Most people with AS can't see what they really mean when they say something like that. The person is telling them they want to be friends, but then get upset when the person trys to stay friends with them and calls them a stalker, ect..


I'd like to know from some NT (or Aspies) why they don't want to be friends. Are they afraid of something, are they thinking that the other person "cramps their style" or they just being obnoxious jerks. What makes if difficult to be friends?


@hyperlexian addressed your question @TheWeirdPig, but here's another thought: immediately pursuing friendship after a romantic relationship has ended is very difficult. There are too many emotions to work through, and it makes it impossible to actually work through them when they keep getting triggered by hanging out with the ex. Usually the person who does the breaking up offers friendship. They are almost always offering friendship as a way of softening the blow of the break-up....they don't actually want to be friends, but they feel that cutting the person out of their life entirely is cruel. If the person on the receiving end of the break-up offers friendship, it's almost always a ruse to rekindle the romance.


I think the "I just want to be friends" statement not very productive, or honest. I was/am in love with guy who said that and "I'm just not ready...maybe in a year" and "I want you in my life in any way I can have you" but went about dating other people. I beat myself up for not being able to change gears as "normal" people would be able to do. After a few months, of trying, I said I couldn't just be friends. I still tried to be friends, though, not very well. I thought it was something I should have been able to accomplish. After a few months of that he finally said he wanted no contact. It was the best thing he could have done, as it was very clear. Even if he did move from being 40 miles away to a few blocks from my house. He's gone. Black and white safety.

Unfortunately, I still see all those snapshots and hear audio tapes I have in my brain of him saying "I love you". They don't seem to go away easily.

This guy has a grown Aspie son. He only knows that I have trauma in my past. Didn't recognize my meltdowns and need for structure. Or maybe he did. It would make sense that he wouldn't want a GF on the spectrum, too.

I am kind of like the guy that talked about not getting involved at all. It is so very hard to cross that bridge, cross back and watch it burn. I wish the snapshots and audio tapes could vanish as easily. I don't want to spend life alone, but it is better than all of this turmoil.



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17 Dec 2010, 8:44 pm

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I don't think she was passive aggressive. It wasn't explained to me before, and I never went there with friends. I didn't catch the signs until thinking back on it after the fact while talking to a therapist. This is something I got very depressed over. I don't blame her, I feel bad that she got scared. She volunteers for some autistic children's skiing program, so I thought maybe she'd be more understanding. If it was somebody else and I was normal every day me observing I would have recognized what was going on, for some reason I let my guard down in that place and all the mental tools I've developed to read people went down with it.

i see what you mean - your friends explained that woman's behaviour after the fact. i misread people all of the time and i have often thought people were interested when they were not, or i thought they were not interested and they were.i started to become much more blunt and just say what i was feeling because i just could not read the signals. of course, sometimes i've gotten rejected pretty bluntly too.


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17 Dec 2010, 8:52 pm

kruger4 wrote:
Well I have this obsession with a beautiful girl that I used to be friends with. She was so beautiful sometimes I couldn't help myself, I had to touch her, either her ass, her boobs or her legs. The weird thing is she didn't mind most of the times. In fact she was the one who wanted to be friends with me in the first place, at first I didn't think this super hot girl would have anything to do with me but she actually started talking with me a whole lot. She was the first girl that I had actually gotten attention from and she's the reason I can actually talk to girls now(if I can talk to this hot girl I can talk to any girl). At first I just wanted to be friends but eventually I got hugely infatuated. She said stuff like, I'm so horny I might jump you or she would ask me to touch her boobs or she wrote my address on a piece of paper(don't even know where she got that from). At that time I was still pretty stupid and she also had a boyfriend so I didn't know how to react. I just thought she was being friendly as it was obvious I was still a virgin. Anyway this continued for a year or so until we both quit those classes. After I stopped seeing her I thought about it and I felt like she was into me at the time but I can't be certain and I don't remember those times all to well because I was to dumb at that point. A couple of months ago I finally told her how I felt, because I had to get it off my chest that I was in love with her, she didn't really react in a positive or negative way, but I knew she had a boyfriend she cared deeply for so it didn't really matter. And btw I didn't want to steal her from her boyfriend, I just wanted to express my feelings because I couldn't lie to her anymore.
The fact is she's the first girl that gave me so much attention, she helped solve my girl shyness, we were good friends, I was allowed to touch her body and she was really really beautiful, probably the most beautiful girl I know(that's no exaggeration, she was model quality) so yeah I'm still kinda infatuated. Oh btw she wasn't slut if any of you think that.

Ahaha! its funny looking back with the hindsite of what you now know isn't it? I look back on similar sorts of things that happened to me, and think 'oh you dense clod' :lol:
Buts it's not that, it's just not knowing anything about people and the myriad ways they behave and think that are different from how you behave and think.