Asperger's, shyness, involuntary celibacy and social trauma

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16 Dec 2010, 11:33 am

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For several different reasons, online chat and dating is something I've already tried, initially got a lot out of (and could put a lot into at the same time), exhausted until I could get no more out of it (nor had the opportunity any longer to put anything into), and so turned out to be a phase I've already come past.


Well, you eventually have to meet some of these people offline. Get a change of scenery and new adventures. The dissapointment rate can be high though, as the head start you gained online is sometimes not enough to counter your real life social ineptitude. However, there's endless new people and endless possibilities.

I'm at the point where it's easy to find ways to have fun, but am still a loner in the end. If anyone has insight on building lasting connections and a steady social life, I'm all ears.



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16 Dec 2010, 12:45 pm

Involuntary celibacy is a real issue for men, and a debilitating one at that. Even if you don't go as far as the OP did in terms of life effect, it can be traumatic enough to push someone into major depression. You don't have to be a virgin/inexperienced either -- it's sometimes almost worse to have had a taste, or a real relationship, and then to have a very long drought where you don't know what you are doing wrong and start second-guessing yourself.

It's also not normal. I saw a doctor during my drought who was amazed that I was involuntarily celibate, and for so long -- his first reaction was to have me go to a support group for shy people. In his mind, there was no way a guy of my looks, height, and other factors should be not getting what I wanted. I think that he was maybe forgetting how much harder it is for a young man vs. an older one (due to dynamics we have discussed on this forum before), but he was correct that I was not putting myself out there nearly enough, or in the right ways.

On top of that, when you realize that our sole purpose of being here, as living organisms, is to reproduce and pass on genes (yes, there are other higher purposes, but nature doesn't care about that), and you can see that being involuntarily celibate is a very bad state to be in, and a very unhealthy one. Wikipedia has some pretty interesting stuff to say on the topic.



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16 Dec 2010, 11:35 pm

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Some Aspies, particularly those who are more shy and therefore more shy at initiating relationships, experience social humiliation and trauma because of it. As a consequence of having little in the way of a relationship history, as they get well past the age at which most people achieve milestones such as losing their virginity, marrying etc. some can be subjected to social trauma at the hands of people. Common scenarios being as follows: Getting accused of being a pedophile, or something else creepy. Getting badgered, humiliated or ridiculed by family members or other people about not having a partner or marrying. Getting pegged as being gay, with people maybe doing things like jokingly sexually harassing or inappropriately touching them, for example. Some Aspies, then, experience serious humiliation or even trauma because of being chronically single.

Can such humiliation and trauma, if it gets too much of an emotional burden, in very many cases start to outweigh their shyness and how much they'd perhaps be emotionally affected by approaching females and oftentimes being rejected? I know this question pertains more to the males, on whom society places the onus to approach and initiate a relationship. But due to emotional trauma, do many people in this situation come to a point where it turns around and it's better just to approach females, which can be emotionally burdensome but not as emotionally burdensome as the social trauma from being involuntarily celibate? I'm as shy (at least at starting relationships) as they come but feel I'm coming to that point some time soon. I wondered if this scenario is true for any other shy Aspies, and have you started to just approach, even if it's with cold approaches, for these reasons, and maybe overcome of your shyness to some degree because of it?


yes as i have had no serious long term relationships in my 20's, the questions/accusations/and ridicule have increased over the years. and i imagine this will continue until im engaged/married/or living with someone. it does suck and it does scare me to think that as i want to fulfill all the roles/goals in a romantic relationship and im not meeting the "one" as quickly or easily as most people my age, i definitely feel behind and depressed about it. as far as the involuntarily celibate stigma, i dont give a s**t what people think of that. its my own personal decision and goal to want to share that with someone who i truely love and care about. i am getting to the point of where i can be fairly comfortable with innocent flirting/chatting with random strangers but its not like i actively do it or look to do it. i have my fantasy optimism about the whole relationship thing, but i also got to be realistic and honest with myself about it too.



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17 Dec 2010, 7:10 pm

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Christianity gives people not only a start, but a goal, or an ending. This is why it's so popular, because it gives other things too, such as a value system, a community, everything you need...except the truth of course, but who has time for that?

Goddammit, I'm sick and tired of the douchebaggery of atheists on the internet, but then again, the internet never fails to bring out the worst in people, including me of course.

... anyways, this post was entirely off-topic, but I hope you can excuse me venting a little bit of frustration.



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17 Dec 2010, 9:29 pm

Tiggurix wrote:
Mindslave wrote:
Christianity gives people not only a start, but a goal, or an ending. This is why it's so popular, because it gives other things too, such as a value system, a community, everything you need...except the truth of course, but who has time for that?

Goddammit, I'm sick and tired of the douchebaggery of atheists on the internet, but then again, the internet never fails to bring out the worst in people, including me of course.

... anyways, this post was entirely off-topic, but I hope you can excuse me venting a little bit of frustration.


gosh, why would a god-fearing person blaspheme in the name of god? that is kinda like a person who worships himself as a deity, saying "damn myself to hell." or something like that.
anyways, we all have our moments. i believe the atheists are feeling mightily disrespected by people who call themselves christian, so the [professed] non-believers fight back in a primal way, designed to pay back some pain on those they perceive to be totally dehumanizing them via superior attitudes and punitive legal maneuverings designed to institutionalize their beliefs as a body of law that everybody [including atheists] must observe. just my jejune opinion.



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18 Dec 2010, 3:40 am

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so the [professed] non-believers fight back in a primal way, designed to pay back some pain on those they perceive to be totally dehumanizing them via superior attitudes


Do you think I support that? Do you think any true Christian would support that?

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18 Dec 2010, 3:52 am

Try this for humiliation.

You are told someone likes you. You think this person likes you. You start to like them more and more. Then you notice alot of other people are liking this same person and you are shy. It gets more awkward and sad to the point where you barely say anything. The person ends up choosing someone else and tells you "It's because you never talk!" Then after it's all over with you find out the person had a preference and that preference wasn't you at all.

Now fast forward. Similar situation except there isn't someone whispering in your ear that person likes you but all of these other people are swooning over who you like and now you are reminded of what happened before. You feel awkward once again. This person is acting like they like you but then talking to your acquaintance having a good chat meanwhile you are feeling shy. You figure this person can't like you and it's just another stupid scenerio like before. You hang your head in shame knowing that it's just another game and you are in the middle of it.



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18 Dec 2010, 4:00 am

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...You hang your head in shame knowing that it's just another game and you are in the middle of it.


only the hermit really understands why he is a hermit.



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18 Dec 2010, 4:03 am

Tiggurix wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
so the [professed] non-believers fight back in a primal way, designed to pay back some pain on those they perceive to be totally dehumanizing them via superior attitudes


Do you think I support that? Do you think any true Christian would support that?


i was not disrespecting you. the problem isn't the true christians, but of the legalists of whom christ said "strain at gnats but swallow camels."



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18 Dec 2010, 4:10 am

auntblabby wrote:
Tiggurix wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
so the [professed] non-believers fight back in a primal way, designed to pay back some pain on those they perceive to be totally dehumanizing them via superior attitudes


Do you think I support that? Do you think any true Christian would support that?


i was not disrespecting you. the problem isn't the true christians, but of the legalists of whom christ said "strain at gnats but swallow camels."

Hmm, well, in that case, yeah, you have a point.

But I'm afraid we're hijacking the thread. My original post on this thread was just a random bout of frustration. It wasn't really meant to provoke debate.



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18 Dec 2010, 4:15 am

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But I'm afraid we're hijacking the thread. My original post on this thread was just a random bout of frustration. It wasn't really meant to provoke debate.


well, my attempt at steering the thread back onto the rails, is to say that incel is trying to teach us something.