How come women can get away with working a bad job.

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28 Dec 2010, 3:07 pm

Wait a minute, aren't you the one who consistently insisted that a man has to be built and have a good job if he wants to attract "quality" (i.e. "hot") women, and that if he doesn't have these characteristics he'd better "lower his standards" and settle with a girl with an "average look"?

The double standard in question may exist, but I don't think you have any business complaining about it.

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In the meantime, it looks - from comments on this thread - like most people agree that this trend has existed in the past, and may still be tailing off, but that none of us, at this point, factually believes that it is somehow "more okay" for a woman to work a low-paying job than for a man.


It probably still matters for those in the upper class or even the upper middle class, but I can't see why anyone who isn't making that much money in the first place would care about how much the bf/gf makes... unless he/she is overly concerned with his/her economic/social status and is trying to marry rich.



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28 Dec 2010, 4:11 pm

For 1000's of years, men made the $ and brought home food, in exchange the woman cooked, had sex, took care of kids etc. The expectations on men haven't changed like they have for women, generally. It's a double standard of our "equal" society... but you should just accept that double standards are a part of living in an nt world and you will be better off.

Some women only want $, some men only want looks, so yes you see rich guys like hugh hefner marrying pretty girls 1/4 of their age



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28 Dec 2010, 4:31 pm

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OP, this question doesn't make sense. men date women who make less money, and can't use money as a criteria for dating because... women earn less money than men. even when doing the same jobs, with the same education and experience, women's wages are lower than men's and they are less likely to be promoted to higher positions.

so if a man based his dating choices on a woman's earning potential, he would be a very lonely man indeed.


This. It's been proven time and time again that women have a salary less than men on average. Sexixm in the workplace is very real. It's only recently that women have been allowed to get into jobs other tha nnursing and teaching anyway.



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28 Dec 2010, 5:06 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
OP, this question doesn't make sense. men date women who make less money, and can't use money as a criteria for dating because... women earn less money than men. even when doing the same jobs, with the same education and experience, women's wages are lower than men's and they are less likely to be promoted to higher positions.

so if a man based his dating choices on a woman's earning potential, he would be a very lonely man indeed.


This. It's been proven time and time again that women have a salary less than men on average. Sexixm in the workplace is very real. It's only recently that women have been allowed to get into jobs other tha nnursing and teaching anyway.


No. This is a myth. Single women with no children earn MORE than single men with no children (in the UK and US anyway). Married women earn less on average primarily because they CHOOSE to give up their careers when they become mothers, in addition to other reasons such as women being less likely by CHOICE to start up businesses with high income potential.

Sexism in the workplace still exists here and there, but it goes both ways now. There might still be a bit of a boys club in the corporate world, but many businesses prefer employing women because they're more 'customer friendly'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... rinks.html

http://www.swifteconomics.com/2009/09/2 ... -wage-gap/



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28 Dec 2010, 8:21 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
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OP, this question doesn't make sense. men date women who make less money, and can't use money as a criteria for dating because... women earn less money than men. even when doing the same jobs, with the same education and experience, women's wages are lower than men's and they are less likely to be promoted to higher positions.

so if a man based his dating choices on a woman's earning potential, he would be a very lonely man indeed.


This. It's been proven time and time again that women have a salary less than men on average. Sexixm in the workplace is very real. It's only recently that women have been allowed to get into jobs other tha nnursing and teaching anyway.

Show me one example where a woman gets paid more than a man for the same work. This myth is based on women working less hours.

I work myself to death. I had 1 day off in october. I just worked 19 days straight before christmas, 10 hour days. I probably made more than you in 2010, and I'm a man. I didn't make more than you because I am a man though, it's because I worked almost every single day.

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94% of all job related deaths involve men. Men work far longer hours in far more dangerous and hard-working occupations, in worse conditions. Men also do not take maternity leave or receive a salary for up to 1 year after having a child. . Over a third of working women in their 30s work part time. If you took these factors into account, then women already get more money for easier less dangerous work. If you add to this the extra tax burdens that men pay. (tax credit, child benefit etc) then the true picture is even more in womens favour.



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28 Dec 2010, 11:01 pm

Another_Alien wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
OP, this question doesn't make sense. men date women who make less money, and can't use money as a criteria for dating because... women earn less money than men. even when doing the same jobs, with the same education and experience, women's wages are lower than men's and they are less likely to be promoted to higher positions.

so if a man based his dating choices on a woman's earning potential, he would be a very lonely man indeed.


This. It's been proven time and time again that women have a salary less than men on average. Sexixm in the workplace is very real. It's only recently that women have been allowed to get into jobs other tha nnursing and teaching anyway.


No. This is a myth. Single women with no children earn MORE than single men with no children (in the UK and US anyway). Married women earn less on average primarily because they CHOOSE to give up their careers when they become mothers, in addition to other reasons such as women being less likely by CHOICE to start up businesses with high income potential.

Sexism in the workplace still exists here and there, but it goes both ways now. There might still be a bit of a boys club in the corporate world, but many businesses prefer employing women because they're more 'customer friendly'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... rinks.html

http://www.swifteconomics.com/2009/09/2 ... -wage-gap/

nooooo..... women still earn less overall. this was one single age group of women and the overall statistic still points to men earning more on average... no myths are involved here. the first study also did not correct for education, which is noted in this analysis:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyreg ... yt&emc=rss

women tend to be more highly educated than men, so if you take the entire group as a whole, the average wage for women might be higher - because they are more educated and working different jobs. that study only found that women's wages were higher in urban areas as well. it fails as any sort of overall analysis of women's wages in the workforce compared to men's.

the second study did not have an excuse (except for sexist hypotheses) as to why women have lower salaries when working the same jobs. that link mentioned reasons like strength being a reason why men get paid more in jobs that require brute force, but it does not explain why male fileclerks would be paid more.

a better comparison notes that (link):
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In 2008, women earned the same or more than men in only 5 of the more than 500 occupational categories for which sufficient data were provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics


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28 Dec 2010, 11:07 pm

Space wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
OP, this question doesn't make sense. men date women who make less money, and can't use money as a criteria for dating because... women earn less money than men. even when doing the same jobs, with the same education and experience, women's wages are lower than men's and they are less likely to be promoted to higher positions.

so if a man based his dating choices on a woman's earning potential, he would be a very lonely man indeed.


This. It's been proven time and time again that women have a salary less than men on average. Sexixm in the workplace is very real. It's only recently that women have been allowed to get into jobs other tha nnursing and teaching anyway.

Show me one example where a woman gets paid more than a man for the same work. This myth is based on women working less hours.

I work myself to death. I had 1 day off in october. I just worked 19 days straight before christmas, 10 hour days. I probably made more than you in 2010, and I'm a man. I didn't make more than you because I am a man though, it's because I worked almost every single day.

Taken from a comment on the website...
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94% of all job related deaths involve men. Men work far longer hours in far more dangerous and hard-working occupations, in worse conditions. Men also do not take maternity leave or receive a salary for up to 1 year after having a child. . Over a third of working women in their 30s work part time. If you took these factors into account, then women already get more money for easier less dangerous work. If you add to this the extra tax burdens that men pay. (tax credit, child benefit etc) then the true picture is even more in womens favour.

i worked at one of the most dangerous jobs possible, and i got paid minimum wage. adding danger as a factor as to why men should get paid more does not work as a variable when you are comparing women angainst men in the same job, with equal experience and education. in those comparisons, women get paid less. see my links in the post above.

in my job, at the entry level there are more than 75% women hired. in management levels, it is only 50% women, even though that are more qualified female candidates considered for every promotion, and the women have just as much education, experience, and good performance reviews as the men do.


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