How often does fear of crime prevent you dating?

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23 Jan 2011, 8:19 am

That is why I don't online date. Because I'm afraid that I'll meet up with a psychopath.

It's easier to gauge in real life whether they're shady, but by that time, they're not physically interested in me, so it's a lost cause.


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23 Jan 2011, 10:10 am

I am extremely afraid of dating, because I look at the statistics and understand that most of the time, when a crime is committed against you, it is by someone that you know. I am a 22 year old black woman in Los Angeles and I don't think anyone would look at me and think I have this problem... Some people think I'm an expensive prostitute... Especially at the beach cities... But I have never had a romantic relationship, ever, not even in high school or college, because I'm waiting for my husband / boyfriend to kill me in my sleep... I also dislike being around people who smoke, drink, or do any other sort of recreational drugs at all. If someone has a cup of wine, I leave. I hate intoxicated people... I can barely even stand coffee and soda drinkers... But those things are so prevalent that it's impossible to avoid...

But yes, I do not date and have never done so because of my seemingly obsessive fear of crime against me.



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23 Jan 2011, 12:08 pm

I don't think I've ever really made that connection before.



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23 Jan 2011, 11:23 pm

[quote="matt28"
So has anyone else thought about fear of crime a lot when it comes to relationships?[/quote]

Dude, you are seriously weird.

Unless you get Tony Soprano's daughter pregnant or date-rape a Muslim girl then I doubt you have much to worry about. :D



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24 Jan 2011, 12:00 am

Despite the many surprised reactions in this thread, I'm not sure that, at its core, this question isn't valid to the way many Aspies think.

Some time ago one particular woman quite openly and directly asked me if I wanted to have an afair with her. On the surface, this sounded pretty good. She was young, beautiful and smart. She also had a boyfriend who went into violent rages. Okay... maybe my dating experiences aren't conventional. I politely turned her down since getting clubbed over the head by her boyfriend didn't strike me as the perfect end to a date.

Anyway, I think if you reframe the question as "How often does the fear of a serious negative outcome prevent you from dating?" then I think many - heck, probably most - of us on WP would have to raise our hands to give an answer. The word "crime" assumes the crossing of a line that might not often happen in most dating circumstances, but that line can be awfully fuzzy at times. One person's offensive behavior might be another person's crime.

Another way of looking at the question is that many Aspies (myself included) find most people's behavior so unpredictable and confusing that, while we might hope for the best, we still have little idea of what to expect from another person. It could be that the person only wants to date you because they figure they'll get a chance to steal your wallet or case your apartment for a later burglery.

Fear that a date might just be a ruse to rip you off is just an extension of the very real fears some of us had as children when a "friend" asked us if there was anyone we had a crush on in class and when we told them, promptly shouted it out to the whole class, much to our great embarrassment.

While I mostly trust people, I find I can't always easily guess what they will do or what their motivations might be. And because I can't see why someone might want to date me, I become suspicious of their motives. It may be irrational, but I have wondered if I was being set up for a crime in the few instances where a woman approached me.


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27 Jan 2011, 10:36 pm

jagatai wrote:
Despite the many surprised reactions in this thread, I'm not sure that, at its core, this question isn't valid to the way many Aspies think.

Some time ago one particular woman quite openly and directly asked me if I wanted to have an afair with her. On the surface, this sounded pretty good. She was young, beautiful and smart. She also had a boyfriend who went into violent rages. Okay... maybe my dating experiences aren't conventional. I politely turned her down since getting clubbed over the head by her boyfriend didn't strike me as the perfect end to a date.

Anyway, I think if you reframe the question as "How often does the fear of a serious negative outcome prevent you from dating?" then I think many - heck, probably most - of us on WP would have to raise our hands to give an answer. The word "crime" assumes the crossing of a line that might not often happen in most dating circumstances, but that line can be awfully fuzzy at times. One person's offensive behavior might be another person's crime.

Another way of looking at the question is that many Aspies (myself included) find most people's behavior so unpredictable and confusing that, while we might hope for the best, we still have little idea of what to expect from another person. It could be that the person only wants to date you because they figure they'll get a chance to steal your wallet or case your apartment for a later burglery.

Fear that a date might just be a ruse to rip you off is just an extension of the very real fears some of us had as children when a "friend" asked us if there was anyone we had a crush on in class and when we told them, promptly shouted it out to the whole class, much to our great embarrassment.

While I mostly trust people, I find I can't always easily guess what they will do or what their motivations might be. And because I can't see why someone might want to date me, I become suspicious of their motives. It may be irrational, but I have wondered if I was being set up for a crime in the few instances where a woman approached me.


I don't see how you can trust most people when the worst crimes are committed by people you know. I would rather die of an accident than actually be murdered. I feel as if anyone who approaches me has death in store, looking at me as if they're ready to strangle me in my sleep. It's another reason why I hate sleeping.

I consider myself lucky to have gotten out of my parents house and away from my siblings. They are all good, loving people, but don't most people say that about the killer after they find out who it was? "Wow, he was always so nice..." "Oh, he was such a good guy..." blah blah blah?

I've never had a crime committed upon me and plan to keep it that way. If I eventually have a child, I swear I've already made plans for setting up adoption when they turn 3... Kids also seem to kill their parents during those frustration years...

People are f*cking crazy.

No, I did not grow up in the ghetto surrounded by guns. In fact, I grew up in white upper-class suburbia, with those crazy kids that were into drugs and sex all the time, like they had nothing else to do... No, no one I knew has been murdered... but I don't want that person to be me when it does happen.



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28 Jan 2011, 12:03 am

Sounds a lot like paranoid delusions. Have you ever been diagnosed with schizophrenia?



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28 Jan 2011, 12:36 am

IIRR i think matt28 lives in Manchester UK. If so then the fear of crime is not so delusional! I certainly wouldn't go on a date set up by some random. I've got images of Frank Gallagher



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28 Jan 2011, 2:05 am

I remember reading a story about a bloke who was dating a girl from a tough East End of London family.
He really loved her but she wouldn't marry him for some reason.

He spread the word that he was "messing" with this girl so sure enough the father and several tough brothers came around to stomp him to a pulp.

He explained that he was the one who tipped them off and that he wanted to marry the girl.

They laughed, took him to the pub for drinks and told the girl that she should marry him because he was a great bloke.



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28 Jan 2011, 3:08 am

I will slap them in their face. Come bout they bad.



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28 Jan 2011, 3:15 am

bucephalus you are so Hansome! ducks.
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28 Jan 2011, 3:56 am

MidlifeAspie wrote:
Sounds a lot like paranoid delusions. Have you ever been diagnosed with schizophrenia?


not necessarily - it's certainly legitimate reasoning, especially for an aspie.

hope i don't scare anyone... but it really sucks, ive been dealing with real threats/bs/car chase as a result of my ex, which peaked in intensity last night.


if only i were better at reading people. :/



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28 Jan 2011, 10:13 am

I never have given much thought to being afraid of those retaliations of dating gone bad..... but if I had been smarter and thought of it, I might have avoided some trouble in the past.


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28 Jan 2011, 12:16 pm

matt28 wrote:
So has anyone else thought about fear of crime a lot when it comes to relationships?


Since I was date raped in my teens, I've always been nervous and cautious of situations during a date. Victims cannot always anticipate an attack but if there are warning signs or red flags to be received, I wanted to see them and be able to act on it for my own safety. It took a while for me to relax around someone. I have intimacy issues.

My husband jumped through all those hoops and more. I trust him.



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28 Jan 2011, 12:18 pm

wefunction wrote:
matt28 wrote:
So has anyone else thought about fear of crime a lot when it comes to relationships?


Since I was date raped in my teens, I've always been nervous and cautious of situations during a date. Victims cannot always anticipate an attack but if there are warning signs or red flags to be received, I wanted to see them and be able to act on it for my own safety. It took a while for me to relax around someone. I have intimacy issues.

My husband jumped through all those hoops and more. I trust him.


I think it is very different when you have cause. The OP does not seem to have any cause except overwhelming paranoia.



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28 Jan 2011, 1:49 pm

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I don't see how you can trust most people when the worst crimes are committed by people you know. I would rather die of an accident than actually be murdered. I feel as if anyone who approaches me has death in store, looking at me as if they're ready to strangle me in my sleep. It's another reason why I hate sleeping.

I consider myself lucky to have gotten out of my parents house and away from my siblings. They are all good, loving people, but don't most people say that about the killer after they find out who it was? "Wow, he was always so nice..." "Oh, he was such a good guy..." blah blah blah?

I've never had a crime committed upon me and plan to keep it that way. If I eventually have a child, I swear I've already made plans for setting up adoption when they turn 3... Kids also seem to kill their parents during those frustration years...

People are f*cking crazy.

No, I did not grow up in the ghetto surrounded by guns. In fact, I grew up in white upper-class suburbia, with those crazy kids that were into drugs and sex all the time, like they had nothing else to do... No, no one I knew has been murdered... but I don't want that person to be me when it does happen.

The likelihood of being killed by someone you know is higher than that of being killed by a stranger, but it's still tiny compared to the likelihood of eventually dying from a heart attack. Trust in those close to you, who will typically honour that trust, is necessary for a happy life. So your fear of people, in your present circumstances, is unlikely to have any foundation - even if you are a very social person, with many friends who you spend a lot of time with - and in fact harmful to your well-being.