Advice for an aspie who can't connect to his wife

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18 Mar 2011, 10:50 pm

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Ask for specific things you can do differently. She may have difficulty with this concept; many NTs do. I have had this come up with work. If a boss says to me "get it done" or "go faster", this is meaningless to me. Do you mean you think I'm slacking off and just goofing around or dogging it to spite you? The answer, of course, is no, but what they don't understand is that they can't transfer their motivation over to me the way they do NTs. The NT in that situation may not ACTUALLY be any faster, but will probably at least appear more distressed over that fact and really that's all they want, an emotional response. When they don't get it, then you hear words like "lazy", "selfish", "uncaring", "cold", etc. Now, if someone can tell me specifically what to do differently that might be helpful or allow me to do better, in the context of work or w/e else, I'll probably try it. I'm not that stubborn or closed minded that I think I'm right all the time, but you'll get no emotional response out of me. You can try and try and try to get me to care about something just because you care about it, but it doesn't work that way for me.

@Zur-Darkstar, I liked your advice to the OP, but I wanted to comment on your example above. I suspect that you take your deliverables seriously and literally: I'm sure you understand the objective at hand, and work through each task necessary to complete the project. I think when bosses urge their staff to "go faster" or "get it done," - what they're really saying is "cut corners." Why don't they just say, "cut corners?" Because that would probably mean they'd have to admit that their approach to project estimation and management is woefully inadequate, and they won't admit that to their own bosses. Sad, but true.


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18 Mar 2011, 11:01 pm

OP, you've gotten a lot of good advice. Understanding the dynamics of relationships is actually really important to the success of yours - you and your wife should be reading those books together. Remember, communication and relationship problems usually pop up for every couple, whether they're Aspie/NT, Aspie/Aspie, or NT/NT.

Also keep in mind that many Aspies are more effective written communicators than verbal communicators. If that's true for you, suggest that you and your wife try discussing things via email...I'm sure she'd rather resolve some issues than worry about whether you talk or write to do it. Good luck.


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18 Mar 2011, 11:39 pm

I hear resentment and animosity. Resentment is the hardest thing to get past in a marriage. Considering it has only been one year, and there are no children involved, I would cut my losses now. I dragged out my first marriage 3 years longer than I should have, and those are three years I wish I had back.


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19 Mar 2011, 2:39 am

Zur-Darkstar wrote:
An AS diagnosis is probably way too expensive, and you're probably too old for most insurance to cover it. Counseling for marriage problems and depression is, as has been mentioned, fairly affordable.

First off, you need to be willing to compromise. You can't emotionally "get it", but you can intellectually consider her perspective. What issues do you fight about? Is it money, work schedules, etc. Is it like housework and cleanliness and stuff. This is I think the most pointless thing people fight about, but it comes up often. Take a look at these issues and think of how you might do things differently to avoid conflict. Examine your own reasons for doing things the way you do and consider whether it might be worth it to bend some in order to avoid conflict.

Second, she has to be willing to compromise and acknowledge that you have limitations and that you relate to her differently than other people. She has to be willing to accept that your way of thinking is simply radically different from hers, and in the end, if she's not willing to accept that, it's best for both of you to end the relationship. If she's unhappy that she has to tell you directly what's upsetting her, then she won't ever be satisfied, because as aspies, we're unlikely to ever guess what it is, unless it's an issue that comes up over and over again, so it becomes rote memorized. This is the "emotional reciprocity" thing. We can think from other people's point of view but it's very difficult to feel emotionally what they are feeling.

Ask for specific things you can do differently. She may have difficulty with this concept; many NTs do. I have had this come up with work. If a boss says to me "get it done" or "go faster", this is meaningless to me. Do you mean you think I'm slacking off and just goofing around or dogging it to spite you? The answer, of course, is no, but what they don't understand is that they can't transfer their motivation over to me the way they do NTs. The NT in that situation may not ACTUALLY be any faster, but will probably at least appear more distressed over that fact and really that's all they want, an emotional response. When they don't get it, then you hear words like "lazy", "selfish", "uncaring", "cold", etc. Now, if someone can tell me specifically what to do differently that might be helpful or allow me to do better, in the context of work or w/e else, I'll probably try it. I'm not that stubborn or closed minded that I think I'm right all the time, but you'll get no emotional response out of me. You can try and try and try to get me to care about something just because you care about it, but it doesn't work that way for me.

She's bugging you for "not bettering yourself". What does that mean? I would have serious doubts about a relationship if I ever heard that line, because what it usually means is that in that person's judgment, you're either not working enough or not making enough money, or both. Ask her specifically to elaborate what this phrase means, and DO NOT ACCEPT dodges or non-answers. If she can't at least come up with specific things, then the problem is hers and not yours. Ask her what specific things that you're not doing that she thinks you should do, and what specific things you're doing that you shouldn't. If you force her to put it in those terms, you will at least get the argument down to a point where it's intelligible to you as an aspie.

Great post :DIt's like something clicked in my brain. I think this covers a lot of the problems I have with NTs in general & it makes a lot of sense to me. Have you ever thought about writing a self-help improvement book/guide for Aspies :?:


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30 Mar 2011, 5:31 pm

HopeGrows wrote:
Zur-Darkstar wrote:
Ask for specific things you can do differently. She may have difficulty with this concept; many NTs do. I have had this come up with work. If a boss says to me "get it done" or "go faster", this is meaningless to me. Do you mean you think I'm slacking off and just goofing around or dogging it to spite you? The answer, of course, is no, but what they don't understand is that they can't transfer their motivation over to me the way they do NTs. The NT in that situation may not ACTUALLY be any faster, but will probably at least appear more distressed over that fact and really that's all they want, an emotional response. When they don't get it, then you hear words like "lazy", "selfish", "uncaring", "cold", etc. Now, if someone can tell me specifically what to do differently that might be helpful or allow me to do better, in the context of work or w/e else, I'll probably try it. I'm not that stubborn or closed minded that I think I'm right all the time, but you'll get no emotional response out of me. You can try and try and try to get me to care about something just because you care about it, but it doesn't work that way for me.

@Zur-Darkstar, I liked your advice to the OP, but I wanted to comment on your example above. I suspect that you take your deliverables seriously and literally: I'm sure you understand the objective at hand, and work through each task necessary to complete the project. I think when bosses urge their staff to "go faster" or "get it done," - what they're really saying is "cut corners." Why don't they just say, "cut corners?" Because that would probably mean they'd have to admit that their approach to project estimation and management is woefully inadequate, and they won't admit that to their own bosses. Sad, but true.


HopeGrows, I suspect you're correct. I worked for an organization in which I was fired from. I worked for a week and a half. They said I was going to slow. We had to load computers on a big truck, drive it to our destination, and set it up at the destination. This is what happened. We had carts to help us transport the computers. They loaded each cart with computers and monitors that were 5 to 7 boxes past the handle of the cart. I felt like this was dangerous. What if the computers and monitors fell off? I was trying to take care with the computers all the way to setting them up.

The next thing we had to do was unbox the computers. People would just throw components like keyboards around. Even the team lead did this and one of the keys fell of. After we unboxed we had to set them up. It was difficult to set them up because it was difficult to set them up because there was limited space to set up. They wanted me to make it pretty and neat but how could I in a limited space? Here was another problem. A lot of times it was difficult to find ethernet cords. Even team leads did not know where they were.

Here is another thing. They said our shift was supposed to end at 4:30. Most of the time we would not even be finished until 7:00 pm - 7:30 pm. Here is the kicker. On the last day, the place we were setting up computers kicked us out at 5:30 pm. We didn't even finish the project. I went to the EEOC because I felt like I was discriminated against because of my AS. This is what I was told. I am not entitled to knowing what the speed requirements or any of the rules of the workplace because my state is a right to work state.

1. If we all had to stay late then how was the whole process efficient whatsoever?
2. If we didn't complete one of the projects then how was it efficient?
3. How was any of us efficient?
4. Why was I singled out?
5. Why am I not entitled to knowing the rules of the workplace?
6. Ever since this incident and a combination of thers I have become disillusioned with me being able to handle a job whatsoever. I'm at the point where I'm ready to give up the ghosts myself. I'm going to be honest. I do not believe I can succeed in America whatsoever ever since this incident and other incidents.
7. I did not know that I was supposed to keep up with a pace.



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31 Mar 2011, 8:59 am

I'm impressed as all hell that there's an Aspie husband who wants to invest the effort into his relationship to understand his wife and improve their lives. Normally it's the NT wife in here begging for help while the Aspie husband stubbornly insists he's always right, he requires all the accommodation, and nothing's askew.

When people use Aspergers "as an excuse" it's usually so they don't have to put in the effort that they would have to put in to accomplish something a neuro-typical individual could do. They are not genuinely incapable of doing the thing via fear, intimidation, lack of understanding or lack of focus. They just don't want to put out that effort. I don't see that from you in your post. I see someone who genuinely finds relating difficult but is willing to do what it takes to make it happen.

I think I'm done on WP's forum for today. I don't want to spoil the euphoria of having read a post by a real man, who happens to have Aspergers Syndrome.



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31 Mar 2011, 9:15 am

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Hello everyone, I'm new here, but I found your site while searching for help so I figured this would be a good place to start. I self-diagnosed myself with Asperger's a couple of years ago. I would definitely count as having the disorder if tested, I just never have. I've been managing alright for the most part for the longest time, but recently I've run into some major problems with my marriage.

My wife and I have been married for less than a year but have been together since high school, over 5 and a half years. We have had some very big issues lately. We fight all the time, almost every day. She is always telling me that I can't see her point of view, and I am not compassionate about her at all, only caring about myself. Sadly, there is a lot of truth in this. When we argue, I always try to blame her, but I know a lot of the problems are caused by the fact that I have a hard time relating to her, understanding her problems or even caring about her sometimes. I try to understand, but it's like my brain was only designed to handle one person's emotions at a time, and it doesn't even do that well.

It's gotten to the point where she tells me she hates me because I just "don't get it and never will" and is only staying with me because she has nowhere else to go (which is true). I've been trying to get better on my own, because I know there is no way I could ever afford therapy but everything I try doesn't work, and I'm losing hope.

Does anyone have any advice for me or resources I can investigate? I don't want to lose my wife as I do truly love her, but I'm at the end of my rope, I don't know what else to do or who to turn to. Anything at all would be wonderful.


I really hate to say this, but you two probably got married too young. I am of the solid belief nobody should even start thinking about marriage until after the age of 25, and in reality maybe even 30. The fact is both of you are probably socially and emotionally immature.

But here is my advice. Don't try to blame your partner, in fact drop that habit now.
With the not getting her perspective, that comes with the whole AS territory, but it does with relationship territory in general. That may always be the case, but at least listen to her perspective, try not to argue. Set up a way to communicate important issues without conflict, this may be in writing. Learn to avoid hostile language and blaming each other for anything. If a situation starts to turn hostile call a time out, leave each others presence for half an hour. There are chemical responses in the brain which escalates these things and keep them going. Remember this is for both of you, being right should not matter, and people understanding the other person is not always possible, but resovling issues peacefully is. In some ways it is impossible to really get her.

Secondly the "no way I can afford therapy", there are mental health clinics out there that do not require much income and do not cost very much. It seems some of these issues have little to do with the disabling problems of being on the spectrum, but rather not knowing how to communicate about certian issues in a way that promotes peaceful discussion rather than arguements.