Would you give up your reproductive rights for love?

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20 Apr 2011, 11:25 am

If it meant someone that i could love and would love me back for the rest of our lives together, then yes i would...

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20 Apr 2011, 11:55 am

swbluto wrote:

:lol:

The three individuals suggesting "my post doesn't make any sense" all have AS, 2 of which went on to defend their prior choices in life of reproducing and then the other one implying I'm trying to guilt-trip people into not having children. Ok, so it looks like the "doesn't make any sense" response might be more related to ruffling a few feathers more so than something that's *strictly* illogical in a schizophrenic/wacky kind of way. Of course, maybe something that's illogical could *also* ruffle a few feathers. Hmmmm....

Weird that you think this is funny but whatever. I didn't say it didn't make sense, I said I didn't understand it. Why doesn't the post match the subject? Being able to repeat what was said or meant does not mean it makes sense. It just means someone can follow your incomprehensible non-sensical post, however confusing and presumptive it may be. It's normal for parents to get defensive about having children when someone attacks the very idea of them having children because they have autism in a so-called overpopulated world. The only people you got to answer your scattered post were people who were contently childfree, regardless of their diagnosis or the world's population. Trying to make fun of us because we have AS is really a cheap and tacky shot. Shame on you.

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20 Apr 2011, 11:58 am

No.

Freedom is the most important goal here.

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20 Apr 2011, 12:09 pm

wefunction wrote:

Trying to make fun of us because we have AS is really a cheap and tacky shot. Shame on you.

100% This. OP do us all a favour and stop being such a complete tool.

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No.

Freedom is the most important goal here.

Exactly.

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20 Apr 2011, 12:16 pm

wefunction wrote:

Trying to make fun of us because we have AS is really a cheap and tacky shot. Shame on you.

Where did I make fun of AS individuals? I might have AS as well, so I wouldn't purposively make fun of anyone.

[Just as a tangent, this seems interesting: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/disorg ... N=symptoms - my original post was thought to be "scattered", while wefunction also thought the laughing icon I used was "strange" in the context. This would seem to match the page's symptoms of "Written communications also are very disorganized." and "Emotions inappropriate to the situation also are common, such as acting silly or laughing loudly during a serious event."]

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20 Apr 2011, 1:48 pm

swbluto wrote:

wefunction wrote:

Trying to make fun of us because we have AS is really a cheap and tacky shot. Shame on you.

If you might have AS, then why would you suggest that those of us who have AS and have biological children have done something wrong and then make fun of us when we become offended at such a suggestion? Do you think people like *yourself* should not exist? Either that's really messed up or you're trolling us, trying to ruffle feathers. Pardon us if the making fun of us part leads us to believe the latter.

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20 Apr 2011, 1:56 pm

swbluto wrote:

[Just as a tangent, this seems interesting: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/disorg ... N=symptoms - my original post was thought to be "scattered", while wefunction also thought the laughing icon I used was "strange" in the context. This would seem to match the page's symptoms of "Written communications also are very disorganized." and "Emotions inappropriate to the situation also are common, such as acting silly or laughing loudly during a serious event."]

You may want to discuss these concerns on the "Other" Conditions section of the forum. You might received very informative and enlightening responses from people who really understand.

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20 Apr 2011, 2:14 pm

Meow101 wrote:

swbluto wrote:

wefunction wrote:

Trying to make fun of us because we have AS is really a cheap and tacky shot. Shame on you.

Where did I make fun of AS individuals? I might have AS as well, so I wouldn't purposively make fun of anyone.

I wasn't trying to imply AS individuals were doing "something wrong" by reproducing because, personally, I don't believe in "right" or "wrong" as they're arbitrary moral judgments(See moral nihilism). I was just commenting that AS individuals have traditionally had lower reproductive fitness, and it's not atypical for AS males to be "desperate for female attention", so I was wondering if there were any males who'd give up their reproductive rights if they were guaranteed true love (Since, from an evolutionary point of view, they likely wouldn't be contributing to the gene pool anyways or, if they did contribute, likely wouldn't contribute in a way that would increase or not-decrease the "average reproductive fitness" of the gene pool. Those are totally scientific concepts.). No implication of "wrong doing" intended at all, there.

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20 Apr 2011, 3:18 pm

Bethie wrote:

swbluto wrote:

]But, let's say you were desperate for love... and possibly sex. Would you give up your reproductive rights for the sake of love if you had the option?

...why would that be required?

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This hypothetical actually does come up with some frequency and it does drive some couples apart so it's well worth thinking about. If you fall in love with somebody who can't have kids or doesn't want to have kids, then staying with them means giving up your reproductive rights for love. The breaking-up-couples part happens most often with couples who start out Child Free By Choice (it has this official name and websites of its own) and then one of them changes his or her mind. One person decides- sometimes years into the marriage- that they want their reproductive rights back and go off with somebody who wants kids.

Thinking about whether or not you would be willing to give up your reproductive rights for love actually is something people should think about.

I can see by subsequent posts that this wasn't really what the OP was driving at, but it's still something that should be considered because couples where one is Child Free By Choice and the other does want kids but gave that up for love is a painful thing to see.

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20 Apr 2011, 3:37 pm

Um...this would be hard as I've always wanted to be a mother. Sure you can adopt children but it's not the same as making them yourself. Besides, adopting children is expensive. However, I do want to find love too. Well...I'll earn the love of my children by being an awesome mommy and if daddy doesn't really "love" me, then screw him.

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20 Apr 2011, 3:45 pm

swbluto wrote:

Meow101 wrote:

swbluto wrote:

wefunction wrote:

Trying to make fun of us because we have AS is really a cheap and tacky shot. Shame on you.

Where did I make fun of AS individuals? I might have AS as well, so I wouldn't purposively make fun of anyone.

OK...maybe my AS "misreading" things again. I don't see myself as having "lower reproductive fitness", though...LOL. I'm quite intelligent and so are all three of my kids, including the one who probably has AS too. Remember that we are not just our AS diagnoses...we are whole people and as such may have other features which increase our reproductive fitness

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20 Apr 2011, 9:33 pm

Meow101 wrote:

Remember that we are not just our AS diagnoses...we are whole people and as such may have other features which increase our reproductive fitness

~Kate

True.

Cute name and avatar, btw. MEEEEEOOOOW.

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20 Apr 2011, 9:57 pm

No, I don't feel like I would love myself enough if I said yes to that question.

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21 Apr 2011, 7:19 am

swbluto wrote:

Meow101 wrote:

Remember that we are not just our AS diagnoses...we are whole people and as such may have other features which increase our reproductive fitness

~Kate

True.

Cute name and avatar, btw. MEEEEEOOOOW.

Thanks. Cats were my first special interest (still love the critters and have 3 of 'em), hence the screen name

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21 Apr 2011, 7:48 am

@ the whole "should Aspies breed" BS:

The world needs as many Aspies as possible. We do s**t. NTs just help us. The Aspies are the CEOs, the NTs are the employees.

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21 Apr 2011, 8:33 am

Sure. What's the point of children?

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