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MCalavera
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13 Jun 2011, 1:12 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:

That knowledge is freely-available to anyone who cares to seek it in an objective fashion-
meaning a holistic view of dating, sex, procreating, etc, as opposed to cherry-picking research that might be used in support of their preconceived, often-misogynist notions.

The people who offer "tips" are offering what they know of themselves as a member of one gender, and in their interactions, often in spaces limited to that gender, where such topics come up and are discussed frankly.

Isolation of variables is also important- for instance, jerks are often confident. Confident people approach others more often and come off as more self-assured. This leads to greater success in many avenues of life. Does this mean women are unique creatures who enjoy being treated like garbage by jerks? No. But the shy unconfident guy seething in the corner watching the process unfold will likely conclude as much, because doing so is less painful than critical examination of himself. Such a person also conveniently and ironically ignores the qualities generally-shared by *real* successful men: they are self-assured, good-natured, and generally have a healthy sense of self and others.

Here's the thing. Those confident men you are describing are what many (both guys and girls alike) refer to as cocky douchebag bastards despite their positive traits.

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Dating is one thing, "seduction" another. If there's a woman here who recommends men lie, put on a front, or otherwise manipulate or coerce women into sex, I've yet to see it.

Seduction is naturally a subconscious thing. Many men and women do it (without being aware of it) when they want to attract people they like.

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13 Jun 2011, 3:18 am

See, the usual predictable responses.

Alright if all women like jerks then all men like b*****s.

All men only want the following:

1. Blonde
2. Big tits
3. Nice butt
4. Vagina
5. Nice Figure

Men want gold diggers but claim to hate gold diggers.
Men are shallow and don't care for intelligent women, they just want b*****s.

Okay so now that you read that, what does it seem like I am really trying to say about men?

Now if I were like some of the men who claim all women want jerks, I would counter with the typical response when a man says "That's not accurate." I would say, All men want b*****s!"

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13 Jun 2011, 3:28 am

TheygoMew wrote:

Now if I were like some of the men who claim all women want jerks, I would counter with the typical response when a man says "That's not accurate." I would say, All men want b*****s!"

Well naturally, because any conclusion about an entire sex of people which required actual reasoning is de-facto wrong.

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13 Jun 2011, 5:12 am

Lost me in the first line where you've assumed something wrong about me. :arrow:

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13 Jun 2011, 5:57 am

TheygoMew wrote:

See, the usual predictable responses.

What do you want? Men to just agree with whatever you happen to be saying? :lol:

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Alright if all women like jerks then all men like b*****s.

Let's not be trapped by word games here. Define "jerk" and define "b***h".

I mean, a sexually/romantically confident man with a heart more sincere and honest than that of the typical nice guy is still counted as a jerk by many. Is it wrong to say that, in this case, many women tend to be attracted to the jerk?

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Men want gold diggers but claim to hate gold diggers.

Generally speaking, men don't find gold digging an attractive trait. Women, on the other hand, generally find confidence (considered as "jerkiness" by unhappy people) quite attractive.

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Men are shallow and don't care for intelligent women, they just want b*****s.

Well, dumb b*****s need love, too.

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Okay so now that you read that, what does it seem like I am really trying to say about men?

That men love it when their pockets get drained so easily by women who happen to be dumb but still intelligent enough to make use of men's money?

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Now if I were like some of the men who claim all women want jerks, I would counter with the typical response when a man says "That's not accurate." I would say, All men want b*****s!"

Well, it would depend on what you mean by "b***h". What do you mean exactly by it? The pretty and smart and gorgeous girl that many girls tend to dislike?

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13 Jun 2011, 6:22 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

To Whome It May Concern,

Don't listen to generalized advice. Treat everyone you come across as a unique individual and if you wish to get closer to a particular one... get to know them and what they like.

Also, please stop trying to speak for an entire gender. It makes you look like a jackass.

Sincerely,
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This should be copy and pasted on 90% of the threads that get created in this sub forum

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13 Jun 2011, 6:22 am

MCalavera wrote:

Well, it would depend on what you mean by "b***h". What do you mean exactly by it? The pretty and smart and gorgeous girl that many girls tend to dislike?

The reference was to gold-diggers in particular.
I agree that that would be the closest analogy to the men whining about "jerks" being more successful with women,
or men with "confidence" or "money", or whatever phrase connotes social standing,
just as you use two out of three adjectives to refer to a woman's looks, for instance.

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13 Jun 2011, 8:51 am

Laz wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

This should be copy and pasted on 90% of the threads that get created in this sub forum

For realz y'all. :roll:

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13 Jun 2011, 8:56 am

The lazy thing would be to just make it my signature.

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13 Jun 2011, 9:02 am

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The lazy thing would be to just make it my signature.

If it fits the character limit, do eet.

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13 Jun 2011, 9:05 am

Hehe

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13 Jun 2011, 9:07 am

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Hehe

Um, some of it is cut off.

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13 Jun 2011, 9:07 am

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TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Hehe

Um, some of it is cut off.

Yeah, I see that. It was worth a try.

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13 Jun 2011, 9:08 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Erisad wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Hehe

Um, some of it is cut off.

Yeah, I see that. It was worth a try.

You just need to edit it to make it shorter. I can help with that, it's what I do.

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13 Jun 2011, 9:32 am

The problem with the OP to my mind is that it's not actual advice. Atleast when I ask guys i get an honest down-to-earth answer on how to do things differently, although most of the time i'm not even sure i can understand how to enact that advice to a specific situation, but this generalised "treat her like a person, get to know her"-stuff is to my mind what i've been doing my entire f*****g life to no avail.
So where does one go for advice on how to make women actually respond to you? I'm a decent looking, intelligent, perfectly nice guy who is the opposite of those bastards who can just pick up any woman they want. and honestly, no matter how much i think about it, I can't figure it out beyond it simply being some sort of god-given intuition on how to make women cream. Either that or i'm far uglier than I think i am.

And please, to all saying the whole "don't generalize". That's fair enough, I get that we're all individuals. But we're also animals with an animal-brain, and what I see out there is that some guys are hugely succesful with pretty much any type of girl while others have no success with any type of girl. Now it's pretty hard not to think there's a generalized answer to why this is happening.

And really, maybe that's why we ask guys? Because girls say "every girl is unique, there's no single key" or give out some generalized "treat her like a person"-bullshit that any idiot can figure out and which gets him nowhere. In fact, mostly when I compare myself to the guys I know who get somewhere with women, it seems that me thinking they're people is what's setting us apart. Because to the guy who's all the happy to lie to get her panties off or the guy who goes from girl to girl until he gets lucky, with no sense of remorse when he gets the "no", well to my mind, they are NOT treating them like people.

At the bottom line all we want is some simple actual advice on how to get somewhere with women, because it's lonely, sexually frustrating and just plain horrible to face rejection 20/20, and the OP is anything but that i'm afraid.

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13 Jun 2011, 11:00 am

Dear Humans,

You will be doomed, resistance is futile.

The green aliens

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