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07 Jul 2011, 7:34 am

MollyTroubleTail, at first when you spoke of getting a date in 15 minutes, you said it was just by virtue of being a woman, now you have said something slightly different. a BEAUTIFUL, SEXY woman might have some options us mere mortals weren't born with. and... if you are whispering sexy things in a man's ear, then it is you making the first move and not the man. so if you get a date out of that, you are in fact the aggressor and not simply the target of male affections.


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07 Jul 2011, 7:47 am

one other thing... MollyTroubleTail, i think you are talking about NT women. your recipe does not work for very many aspie women. have you seen how many women here can't tolerate makeup on their faces? and it was only at age 39 that i thought to brush my hair more than once a day. many aspies also can't stand restrictive bras for cleavage or tight pants/skirts to emphasize the ass. with motor control and balance issues high heels are a no-go. your list is impossible to many aspies.


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07 Jul 2011, 7:53 am

the being weird thing, over-rules the 'looking externally attractive' thing every time.



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07 Jul 2011, 10:20 am

Okay, call me a male troll if you want, and don't believe me if you want, it's your brain and you can decide whatever malarky you like best and it's not my job to correct you. I, for example, have already decided that you are actually a pair of antique spectacles.

If your AS doesn't allow you to wear any makeup, wash brush or style your hair, brush your teeth, wear a bra, wear any shoes except sneakers, and you have to wear loose cotton hoodies and baggy old jeans only, then yeah: you are gonna have a problem getting dates because, I'm sorry to say so, but you would look kinda on the shabby/sloppy side. I've been that ugly girl too, so I speak from experience. Grunge is unfortunately out of style now, and it only used to work for teenagers anyway.

Anyway, my point was that the majority of men are led to choose women mostly because of their libido. That's what makes it so easy for women to get dates, if they know how to look and act "sexy". Sex sells to the vast majority of men. If you want to get offended by that or argue about it, go right ahead. Getting offended and disagreeing is your right. But that's how it works, like it or not, and it's not going to change either.



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07 Jul 2011, 11:02 am

MollyTroubletail wrote:
Okay, call me a male troll if you want, and don't believe me if you want, it's your brain and you can decide whatever malarky you like best and it's not my job to correct you. I, for example, have already decided that you are actually a pair of antique spectacles.

If your AS doesn't allow you to wear any makeup, wash brush or style your hair, brush your teeth, wear a bra, wear any shoes except sneakers, and you have to wear loose cotton hoodies and baggy old jeans only, then yeah: you are gonna have a problem getting dates because, I'm sorry to say so, but you would look kinda on the shabby/sloppy side. I've been that ugly girl too, so I speak from experience. Grunge is unfortunately out of style now, and it only used to work for teenagers anyway.

Anyway, my point was that the majority of men are led to choose women mostly because of their libido. That's what makes it so easy for women to get dates, if they know how to look and act "sexy". Sex sells to the vast majority of men. If you want to get offended by that or argue about it, go right ahead. Getting offended and disagreeing is your right. But that's how it works, like it or not, and it's not going to change either.

if you use sex to sell yourself, the majority of the time you will get sex in return and nothing more. which is no use at to women who want a quality relationship.good for you if you want to sell yourself as a sex object by using your body and various seduction techniques. but it sure as heck isn't the same thing as actual dating.

if you are seeking casual sex, it sounds like you have the techniques down pat. personally, i don't think that intentionally giving a man a boner in ten minutes is the best technique for finding a high quality life partner.

you slightly missed the point that i was making. i was saying that... just like aspie MEN have difficulty in certain areas when it comes to attracting mates, so do aspie WOMEN. perhaps it is easy for you, personally, to be some kind of sex goddess that has men falling at her feet, but other aspie women may not have the ability to remake themselves into such a creature because of legitimate sensory issues, social misunderstandings, and motor control problems.

it's not a matter of being slobby or grungy... it's a matter of having deficits that are large enough that it becomes impossible to simply slap on some paint and some fashion and be a knockout.

it is every bit as hard for aspie women as aspie men, just perhaps in different ways. maybe you are an exception, but there are aspie male exceptions too - those who are accomplished in the dating game. frankly such exceptions don't magically make it easier for the rest of us.


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07 Jul 2011, 12:18 pm

Jamesy wrote:
I may sound like a hypocrite when saying this becuase i am losing my hair on my head LOL maybe thats why i have not had much luck with women?

Can i apologise in advance for upsetting any females on this part of the site when posting this thread. well here it goes.... in my opinion although females with aspergers do not by any means have it easy in the dating world i think for men in particular it is esspecially hard too find an intimiate relationship and succeed because in general soceity has a different set of expectations for both men and women in general.

aspie behaviour such as
looking away/lack of eye contact
lacking iniative
being silly
not starting conversations

the list of aspie behaviour above does not matter if your female becuase guys will come up and start talking too you but this will not happen a lot of the time if your male. in social situations girls never come up and start talking too me because they expect you to go up and start talking too them first. Even if they did talk to me they would just say things too me like "Why are you looking so sad" "why are you looking so angry". You get me? it does not make a difference even if i do not want them too talk too me they never approach anyway.


I hate to say this but social and communication skills matter a hell of a lot more if your male. i also understand that neither me nor anyone else can get society too change its old values on the male and female role in mating but you have to realise at the same time that establishing a relationship with a female takes so much more than just apporoachng them and talking too them becuase men are expected too do all the initiating. You see what i mean about society making it near impossible for aspie guys to succeed cause it is so inflexible?

do you agree with what i have typed or not?


I agree to a certain extent,but then again that's just my opinion.
I can't personally understand why so many NT males say they like bold independent women.Not me...I think shy,submissive women are VERY sexy.Can't stand the modern 'in your face men' stance that is causing more and more women to scoff at the idea of a man leading the relationship.Does this mean I like submissive women because I want to mentally and physically abuse them? Of course not!!.



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07 Jul 2011, 10:50 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
MollyTroubletail wrote:
Okay, call me a male troll if you want, and don't believe me if you want, it's your brain and you can decide whatever malarky you like best and it's not my job to correct you. I, for example, have already decided that you are actually a pair of antique spectacles.

If your AS doesn't allow you to wear any makeup, wash brush or style your hair, brush your teeth, wear a bra, wear any shoes except sneakers, and you have to wear loose cotton hoodies and baggy old jeans only, then yeah: you are gonna have a problem getting dates because, I'm sorry to say so, but you would look kinda on the shabby/sloppy side. I've been that ugly girl too, so I speak from experience. Grunge is unfortunately out of style now, and it only used to work for teenagers anyway.

Anyway, my point was that the majority of men are led to choose women mostly because of their libido. That's what makes it so easy for women to get dates, if they know how to look and act "sexy". Sex sells to the vast majority of men. If you want to get offended by that or argue about it, go right ahead. Getting offended and disagreeing is your right. But that's how it works, like it or not, and it's not going to change either.

if you use sex to sell yourself, the majority of the time you will get sex in return and nothing more. which is no use at to women who want a quality relationship.good for you if you want to sell yourself as a sex object by using your body and various seduction techniques. but it sure as heck isn't the same thing as actual dating.

if you are seeking casual sex, it sounds like you have the techniques down pat. personally, i don't think that intentionally giving a man a boner in ten minutes is the best technique for finding a high quality life partner.

you slightly missed the point that i was making. i was saying that... just like aspie MEN have difficulty in certain areas when it comes to attracting mates, so do aspie WOMEN. perhaps it is easy for you, personally, to be some kind of sex goddess that has men falling at her feet, but other aspie women may not have the ability to remake themselves into such a creature because of legitimate sensory issues, social misunderstandings, and motor control problems.

it's not a matter of being slobby or grungy... it's a matter of having deficits that are large enough that it becomes impossible to simply slap on some paint and some fashion and be a knockout.

it is every bit as hard for aspie women as aspie men, just perhaps in different ways. maybe you are an exception, but there are aspie male exceptions too - those who are accomplished in the dating game. frankly such exceptions don't magically make it easier for the rest of us.


Overall I agree with this. However, there are guys out there who don't think the societal norms are the ideal of female beauty...*and* it is possible to find clothing and shoes that are both comfortable and attractive. I have spent a good deal of time to do just that because of my sensory issues. It doesn't have to be either the grunge look or subject yourself to torture. It's not *easy*, but it is doable.

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