Are there even any women that approach men?

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Ive made the first move. Some guys respond well to it. Other guys act as if you are a desperate psycho out of "Fatal Attraction". So it depends really.

Yes, I approach men. For the two relationships I've been in, I've had to be clear with what I want from them.

I only dare to approach men online, in real life absolutely not.

Women approach me sometimes, and I'm no better looking than most guys. It's all about presenting the right image, then going where the women are.

Hint; women tend to enjoy novelty, guys that stand out for some reason. Obviously, if we're talking about being approached by a stranger, that stand-out quality is probably a superficial one.

"I've never kissed a guy with lip rings before." As clueless as I am with women, even I know that's an invitation.

Women do hair flicks at guys who are then supposed to make the first move

There are, it's obviously rarer than men doing it but the main thing is they will approach guys that are approachable meaning more confident guys. Quiet, shy guys such as many people here mostly likely aren't one of them. That's why they claim women never make the first move.

I bet they just dont notice many a time

I spent some time training to hunt in my 20s. But when I met my current gf, my most significant relationship, she made a pass at me. I was robbed. Never even heard the bell.

Looking back now I think there was one girl that I wasn't taking any hints from. 1. Girls didn't want me. 2. I was the biggest geek in the school and also the biggest "psycho" because of my rage against bullies, so I was kinda frightening.

So the only time I could only have gotten a clue was when she said I was looking rather sexy that day. Was she kidding? I wasn't sure. She wasn't the kind to pick on me like that. She knew better than to play games, because I had trouble with girls and that would depress me. I didn't know how to respond to that and I was girl shy.

Thing is women don't HAVE TO approach men. They can almost always count on being approached by men.

If the situation were reversed, do you think we men would bother approaching? Nope.

Women, as long as they're not deformed or 300 lbs, have all the power in dating. They choose...not us.

Everyone knows it's pointless to argue with you, so let's just grant your point just for sake of argument: Why don't you try to be more "choose-able" then? That's what I try to do - the fact that I'm completely unsuccessful at it is irrelevent because it gives me hope...

I've given up completely on women (or American women...at least). I'm just here to tell other men they need to do the same thing, and to call women on their bs.

No comment.

Take it from a really old chronically single guy: do whatever gives you hope, that's all you really need - the rest is just a bonus...

lol.

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Of course.