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johnny77
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30 Oct 2011, 9:24 pm

Automatic responce to what you're mind calls beautiful without thinking what is "beautiful" is.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:39 pm

I sometimes see women so beautiful they make me stare.

I never see men who are attractive.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:46 pm

yes, happened to me before. She was beautiful. like holy s**t beautiful.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:53 pm

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The problem was, it turned out that she had the intellect of a can of tomato paste.

While I'm sure that's quite common (from some amount of personal experience with the all-looks, no-brains type of women) the woman I saw at the brewery most certainly didn't fit that description. Just by what she was wearing, her poise and her gestures and expressions, she displayed an obvious intelligence and intellectual capacity.

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but very few do I care to look at or want to meet.

Well, what I'm talking about here are the people you practically can't look away from, due to that "je ne sais quoi" Safffron mentioned. The people who's faces you're more captivated by than their figures. Not that sex appeal doesn't have anything to do with it; it's just a distant second.

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Automatic response to what you're mind calls beautiful without thinking what "beautiful" is.

I don't think anyone, when asked, could accurately describe what about someone's face they find beautiful. I certainly can't. There are a lot of different facial feature attributes I find attractive in different combinations, but I know for a fact that I couldn't readily define most of them off the top of my head if my life depended on it.

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I never see men who are attractive.

I've noticed that too. I've come across some attractive men, but maybe one for every three women, and the kind of people this thread is about are pretty rare to begin with. So, that makes like, maybe three men in my entire twenty one years.

Sort of related, it seems that a lot of people don't believe there's a distinction between finding the same sex physically attractive and finding them sexually attractive. News-flash: There is a distinction, and a very clear one, in my mind. Sure, I'll admit that there are men out there that I find physically attractive (mostly their faces, not so much their bodies) but I'm very much a straight guy, and have no sexual interest in other men.

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yes, happened to me before. She was beautiful. like holy sh** beautiful.

Exactly. And not in the conventional Hollywood/supermodel way, either. Something different, but still a face the fashion industry would drool over for its memorability.


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30 Oct 2011, 10:03 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
I sometimes see women so beautiful they make me stare.

I never see men who are attractive.


ive found men that have made me stare. Yet i dont find em attractive



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30 Oct 2011, 10:13 pm

MXH wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
I sometimes see women so beautiful they make me stare.

I never see men who are attractive.


ive found men that have made me stare. Yet i dont find em attractive


I've seen some very attractive men, but it's rare that I'm attracted to them.


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30 Oct 2011, 10:36 pm

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Limit2090 wrote:
yes, happened to me before. She was beautiful. like holy sh** beautiful.

Exactly. And not in the conventional Hollywood/supermodel way, either. Something different, but still a face the fashion industry would drool over for its memorability.


ahh yeah, then becomes my background.



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30 Oct 2011, 11:18 pm

Zokk wrote:
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The problem was, it turned out that she had the intellect of a can of tomato paste.

While I'm sure that's quite common (from some amount of personal experience with the all-looks, no-brains type of women) the woman I saw at the brewery most certainly didn't fit that description. Just by what she was wearing, her poise and her gestures and expressions, she displayed an obvious intelligence and intellectual capacity.
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How can you display obvious intelligence and intellectual capacity through gestures and expressions :?



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30 Oct 2011, 11:20 pm

Actually I have seen attractive men. But they aren't what most people call "attractive", well some might be but i'm not into surfer blokes for example.



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30 Oct 2011, 11:28 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Actually I have seen attractive men. But they aren't what most people call "attractive", well some might be but i'm not into surfer blokes for example.


I'm not so into conventional attractiveness either. There's nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't do it for me.


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30 Oct 2011, 11:31 pm

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How can you display obvious intelligence and intellectual capacity through gestures and expressions :?

Watch people. People with different levels of intelligence tend to conduct themselves differently. It's often subtle differences, but once you realize that those differences are there and what they are, they're not that hard to spot. More restrained gestures seem to be more common among people with a higher intelligence. Certain movements and expressions in social situations seem to be smoother, more fluid, exact and natural, rather than exaggerated for extra emphasis. More emphasis seems to be put on facial expressions than sweeping gestures. They're careful not to overstep the subliminally appropriate level of enthusiasm for the interaction. Social intelligence is a component of general intelligence, I've found.

Feel free to call BS, but I think I've seen it enough times from an outsider's perspective that there's something to it.


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30 Oct 2011, 11:34 pm

Zokk wrote:
Freak-Z wrote:
How can you display obvious intelligence and intellectual capacity through gestures and expressions :?

Watch people. People with different levels of intelligence tend to conduct themselves differently. It's often subtle differences, but once you realize that those differences are there and what they are, they're not that hard to spot. More restrained gestures seem to be more common among people with a higher intelligence. Certain movements and expressions in social situations seem to be smoother, more fluid, exact and natural, rather than exaggerated for extra emphasis. More emphasis seems to be put on facial expressions than sweeping gestures. They're careful not to overstep the subliminally appropriate level of enthusiasm for the interaction. Social intelligence is a component of general intelligence, I've found.


In other words, people with Aspergers are less intelligent?


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30 Oct 2011, 11:50 pm

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In other words, people with Aspergers are less intelligent?

If I'd said that, I'd be calling myself stupid, even with a one-forty-something IQ, last time I checked (no bragging/boasting intended). I came to that conclusion from twenty-something years of people-watching and an outsider's perspective on social interaction between NTs. Watch adults, mostly, if you want to see what I'm talking about; especially out in public or at formal or semi-formal events, like brewery open-houses or organizational functions.


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30 Oct 2011, 11:55 pm

Zokk wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
In other words, people with Aspergers are less intelligent?

If I'd said that, I'd be calling myself stupid, even with a one-forty-something IQ, last time I checked (no bragging/boasting intended). I came to that conclusion from twenty-something years of people-watching and an outsider's perspective on social interaction. Watch adults, mostly, if you want to see what I'm talking about; especially out in public or at formal or semi-formal events, like brewery open-houses or organizational functions.


I was just curious since you listed a lot of things we have problems with.

I people watch all the time. Have since I can remember. Honestly, what you described seems to be more related to confidence than intelligence IMO. The two can co-exist, of course, but in my experience there is not way to spot intelligence without talking to the person in-depth.


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31 Oct 2011, 12:57 am

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You ever been out somewhere in public, just minding your own business, when someone, just some random stranger you've never seen before in your life and will probably never see again, just catches your eye?

You want to get a picture of them to remember what they look like, but you don't have a camera (or one with a zoom) and even if you did, it'd still be really creepy to just take their picture out of nowhere, even if you were for some reason bold or stupid enough to ask for permission.


Yes & uh, back when I was a teen & didn't know better I did take pictures of guys I felt like that about some times. Super creepy, I know.

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Sort of related, it seems that a lot of people don't believe there's a distinction between finding the same sex physically attractive and finding them sexually attractive. News-flash: There is a distinction, and a very clear one, in my mind. Sure, I'll admit that there are men out there that I find physically attractive (mostly their faces, not so much their bodies) but I'm very much a straight guy, and have no sexual interest in other men.


I totally get this too.



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31 Oct 2011, 1:53 am

Freak-Z wrote:
Zokk wrote:
LexF wrote:
The problem was, it turned out that she had the intellect of a can of tomato paste.

While I'm sure that's quite common (from some amount of personal experience with the all-looks, no-brains type of women) the woman I saw at the brewery most certainly didn't fit that description. Just by what she was wearing, her poise and her gestures and expressions, she displayed an obvious intelligence and intellectual capacity.
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How can you display obvious intelligence and intellectual capacity through gestures and expressions :?


While I find certain women just "picture-perfect" beautiful, I don't tend to feel that much connection with them, and therefore too much of a draw. What captivates me most is cute and mysterious, like a curious kitten or fawn. These kind of women, since they're obviously in their own worlds, almost surely would show a considerable amount of depth once you manage to connect with them. It doesn't mean they're intellectual in ann academic sort of way, but very unlikely to be two-dimensional cutouts.

The problem is, they don't seem to be as easily seduced/sexually captivated as I think they will be. I'm both really innocent (in pretty much all non-sexual ways) and at the same time intensely passionate and sexual, whereas the cute and mysterious types seem to often be innocent in a sexually detached way, such that the moment they feel my attraction they feel unnerved.