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13 Feb 2005, 3:49 pm

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jesus wept and holy moses, fuzzychickens! where DO you get your ideas about women from? or even about men, for that matter?


If he's anything like me, he probably doesn't like having to work and assumes that other people feel similarly.



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13 Feb 2005, 3:56 pm

neither do i, Jay, but i'm referring to sweeping generalisations made here and in other posts which have no basis in reality. as you well know (from how i've spoken with other, ahem, provocative persons on this board in the past), i'm not one to stomp on someone and boot them off, but believe in education and getting people to think.



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13 Feb 2005, 6:41 pm

I think fuzzy chickens is purposley trying to insult people. Anyone knows that women don't "belong in the kitchen".

Quite frankly I would die if I had to be a house wife. I'm not actually offended, I think it's kinda funny, but I want him to know not to be so generalising with people.



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13 Feb 2005, 7:21 pm

Soapbox time.

(1) My comment about autistic people was exclusively in reference to full-blown autists, not everyone on the spectrum. Mere aspies shouldn't have been offended in the slightest by this. If the original poster used "autistic folks" to mean "autistic-spectrum folks," well, that's not my fault.

(2) Everything that I've learned about Autism and AS has come from either this website or books on the subject, so if something that I say about the subject has "no basis in reality", then that's also not my fault.

(3)Most of what aspergian_mutant said about me has no basis in reality.

(4)Most people, regardless of gender, don't like doing work. Most jobs in the world aren't fun. Why do you think we invented dishwashers and lawnmowers and such? So we have to do less work! Why would anyone take offense at this fact?

(5) What the hell does "belonging in the Kitchen" have to do with anything that I've said?

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13 Feb 2005, 8:07 pm

FuzzyChickens, why are you here? If it's to base everything on your stereotypical view of autistics and such, go re-educate yourself please, you apparently aren't learning enough by simply being here. There are many on this forum that are Autistics/Aspies that are married and even have kids. Honestly nothing I've seen you write or say makes much sense other than for either attention for yourself or to demean others especially in this thread.



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13 Feb 2005, 8:22 pm

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Everything that I've learned about Autism and AS has come from either this website or books on the subject


And if someone on this website is both married and a full-blown autist, please tell me who they are.


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13 Feb 2005, 8:49 pm

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if you think that you are ugly, maybe this will help-I just tell myself that no one is ugly because we're all humans, and that makes us all beautiful :) Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with not being thin, the only thing that matters is being healthy


I personally believe if you think that you are ugly, it is more helpful to do things that will improve your looks instead of trying to rationalize and make excuses. For intance, instead of worrying about your weight, go out and buy a treadmill to use while you watch television. Also, it is unhealthy to be overweight; obesity is a serious disease that effects a good amount of people.


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13 Feb 2005, 8:53 pm

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Soapbox time.

(4)Most people, regardless of gender, don't like doing work. Most jobs in the world aren't fun. Why do you think we invented dishwashers and lawnmowers and such? So we have to do less work! Why would anyone take offense at this fact?

End of Line.


Regardless of how much merit your ideas have, WrongPlanet.net isn't a place for soaboxing. WrongPlanet does not allow insults or personal attacks regardless of whether or not they are blatant or implied. FuzzyChickens: if you continue to insult wrongplanet members, you will not be allowed to post here anymore. And Mish, please don't respond to trolls, we will take care of them. Feeding them will only make it worse and this is not the first time you have done so.


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13 Feb 2005, 9:05 pm

But I haven't insulted anyone here!


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13 Feb 2005, 9:32 pm

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But I haven't insulted anyone here!


If you didn't insult anyone, why did everyone take offense? I don't think that you should be making such stereotypical, discriminating generalizations on this site, cause it will get a lot of people here, including me, ticked off enough to want to come over to your house at night to give you the Avada Kedavra in person. So, please watch what you are saying.
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13 Feb 2005, 10:19 pm

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Everything that I've learned about Autism and AS has come from either this website or books on the subject


And if someone on this website is both married and a full-blown autist, please tell me who they are.


This isn't exactly something clear-cut. The difference between Autism and AS officially per the DSM is that Autism has delays in speech developement while AS does not.

At the same time, I would bet that many, many people here had speech delays, thus making them officially autistic, and thus able to get really pissed at what you are saying.

In reality, the difference between an AS diagnosis and an Autism diagnosis really depends on what doctor was seen. THERE IS NOT A FIRM LINE HERE.

If by "full-blown autist" you mean somebody with low IQ scores in addition to autism, then I would grant that the likelihood of marriage is lower than that of the general population. However, I doubt it is significantly lower than that of others in the same IQ bracket. A non-autistic person with a 40 iq probably has around the same chance of finding a mate as an autistic with the same scores.

At the same time, stop being an a**hole. Your argument that nobody should be offended because you aren't referring to AS is like me saying "I HATE RAG-HEADS", and then arguing that Iranians should not be offended by it because I did not refer to them specifically.

Being told I am unlikely to have friends or get married really pisses me off.

But let me give you the benefit of the doubt. Your profile says that you are nuerotypical. I will make the assumption that you have a valid reason for being here. Why is this a place you wish to spend your time? Do you have a family member on the spectrum? If tha answer is to learn more about the autistic spectrum, I would advise you to do more listening before deciding that you know enough to make UGLY generalizations about the life we live.


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13 Feb 2005, 10:40 pm

FuzzyChickens wrote:
Allow me to repeat:

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Everything that I've learned about Autism and AS has come from either this website or books on the subject


And if someone on this website is both married and a full-blown autist, please tell me who they are.


I'm self-dx'd Asperger's Syndrome, married to an NT spouse, have one son that has Moderate Autistic Disorder and another son that is quirky and advanced and I won't claim he is fully NT yet. And I do know a lady with Autistic Disorder that is in her 50's and married with children that I talk to on IRC. So before you make assumptions, think.



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13 Feb 2005, 11:46 pm

Mish: you have been asked not to respond to FuzzyChickens. Please follow instructions from admins - responding to trolls just encourages them, you know that.

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14 Feb 2005, 12:46 am

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If you didn't insult anyone, why did everyone take offense?


Because they misread and/or misinterpreted.

Archmage wrote:
I don't think that you should be making such stereotypical, discriminating generalizations on this site


Fortunately, I don't think so either. I have made a few generalizations, but they were neither stereotypical nor discriminatory. So I'm doing okay so far!

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The difference between Autism and AS officially per the DSM is that Autism has delays in speech developement while AS does not... In reality, the difference between an AS diagnosis and an Autism diagnosis really depends on what doctor was seen. THERE IS NOT A FIRM LINE HERE.


Actually, autistics display certain altered perceptions and ways of thinking that are not normally present in aspies. For example, autists don't normally ramble on to other people about their special interests/obsessions. They're way better at "hidden pictures"-type puzzles than normals are, while aspies usually have the same difficulty with these puzzles as normals do. Differences exist that are not specifically mentioned in the official definition.

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If by "full-blown autist" you mean somebody with low IQ scores in addition to autism


No, I just mean someone who has autism instead of a less severe disorder on the spectrum.

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At the same time, stop being an a**hole.


I never started. I do, however, consider myself a bit of a dick, going by Team America: World Police definitions.

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Your argument that nobody should be offended because you aren't referring to AS is like me saying "I HATE RAG-HEADS", and then arguing that Iranians should not be offended by it because I did not refer to them specifically.


Incorrect. It is more like me saying "I hate Puerto Ricans" and you getting pissed off because you're Cuban.

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Being told I am unlikely to have friends or get married really pisses me off.


Fortunately, you haven't been told that.

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But let me give you the benefit of the doubt. Your profile says that you are nuerotypical. I will make the assumption that you have a valid reason for being here. Why is this a place you wish to spend your time? Do you have a family member on the spectrum?


My mom thinks I have AS. I disagree, since I've never had any problems with facial expressions or the like, but I do love seeing how many of my quirks are shared by people who do have the condition.

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I would advise you to do more listening before deciding that you know enough to make UGLY generalizations about the life we live.


Again, fortunately, I have not decided that, so I'm doing pretty well.

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I'm self-dx'd Asperger's Syndrome.


Then what I said didn't apply to you.

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I do know a lady with Autistic Disorder that is in her 50's and married with children that I talk to on IRC.


Cooool.

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So before you make assumptions, think.


I prefer not to make assumptions at all.


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14 Feb 2005, 5:45 am

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Then what I said didn't apply to you.


So if a doctor says it, it does?

BAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what a joke. People, I don't think you should get offended by this person.

I've been handling forum trolls for about 5 years - I know how to deal with them. Feel free to PM me for more information.



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14 Feb 2005, 8:34 am

An NT? hmm, was told he may be an autistic but don't like the idea? hmmm, picking on what he don't like i see or so it seems.
it looks like he is making broad statements to intimidate yet covering for him self with generalizations.
ask your self this fuzzychickens, are you finding your self stuck on subject that bother you and cant seem to stop watching them or replying to them?

or are you just injoying the attention? like a spoiled child/vampire asking for more?