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30 Jul 2013, 9:38 am

Are you the world Mecca for relationships?


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30 Jul 2013, 9:44 am

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Are you the world Mecca for relationships?


*facepalm* Americans and their stupid Islamic references when they spot an Arab...

And what are you? The world Vatican for relationships?


No! I am just someone who's down to earth.



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30 Jul 2013, 10:25 am

Since you linked it.... tough break.

From what you've said, I can guess there are probably multiple factors at play here.

First - saying you not driving is not a problem in the beginning, well she probably meant it when she said it. Once an actual incident happened due to it that interfered with your plans to see it, it may have made her sit up and realise how much of an issue it will be, and continue to be, if she kept seeing you. I'm going to include distance in the same way as driving, because they are sort of intertwined in this instance. But distance is essentially the same - maybe she thought she could tell with it until she realised she couldn't.

There may have also been other factors at play which we as aspies are pretty infamous for. Again, it's very, very easy to say in the beginning that such things aren't a problem - until they get the chance to actually experience it or an incident first hand. Sometimes after experiencing something multiple times, people decide they just can't do it anymore.

Your mother also may be right. She may be lying about her work schedule or at least exaggerating it to use it as an excuse for the distance, you not being able to drive, the autism, or any other issue you had within your relationship, all of them or any combination thereof. I know very few people who are completely honest about the reason why they break up with someone.... especially to that person, or even to their own friends. It may have been her way of letting you down easy, a simple logical explanation she knew you would accept. Saying "let's still be friends" may have been, or was likely part of that letting you down easy.

But ultimately, I think it's all mostly irrelevant. At the end of the day she doesn't want to be with you - the reason why doesn't matter.
Moving on is the best thing you can do, without looking back. Second chances rarely work, and only then they only have a chance at working if you solve the original issues that caused the first break up.


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30 Jul 2013, 10:29 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
babybird wrote:
Are you the world Mecca for relationships?


*facepalm* Americans and their stupid Islamic references when they spot an Arab...

And what are you? The world Vatican for relationships?


No! I am just someone who's down to earth.


Whatever! And I'm English not American so get your facts right before you post. Oh and while you're at it get a sense of humour too. :P


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30 Jul 2013, 10:35 am

babybird wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
babybird wrote:
Are you the world Mecca for relationships?


*facepalm* Americans and their stupid Islamic references when they spot an Arab...

And what are you? The world Vatican for relationships?


No! I am just someone who's down to earth.


Whatever! And I'm English not American so get your facts right before you post. Oh and while you're at it get a sense of humour too. :P


Blurgh... their direct ancestors....same...

:P

Oh wait...the Vatican equivalent wouldn't work in your case...



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30 Jul 2013, 10:38 am

Oh well, I think we'll agree to call it a day on that then. :D


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30 Jul 2013, 5:04 pm

Kjas wrote:
Since you linked it.... tough break.

From what you've said, I can guess there are probably multiple factors at play here.

First - saying you not driving is not a problem in the beginning, well she probably meant it when she said it. Once an actual incident happened due to it that interfered with your plans to see it, it may have made her sit up and realise how much of an issue it will be, and continue to be, if she kept seeing you. I'm going to include distance in the same way as driving, because they are sort of intertwined in this instance. But distance is essentially the same - maybe she thought she could tell with it until she realised she couldn't.

There may have also been other factors at play which we as aspies are pretty infamous for. Again, it's very, very easy to say in the beginning that such things aren't a problem - until they get the chance to actually experience it or an incident first hand. Sometimes after experiencing something multiple times, people decide they just can't do it anymore.

Your mother also may be right. She may be lying about her work schedule or at least exaggerating it to use it as an excuse for the distance, you not being able to drive, the autism, or any other issue you had within your relationship, all of them or any combination thereof. I know very few people who are completely honest about the reason why they break up with someone.... especially to that person, or even to their own friends. It may have been her way of letting you down easy, a simple logical explanation she knew you would accept. Saying "let's still be friends" may have been, or was likely part of that letting you down easy.

But ultimately, I think it's all mostly irrelevant. At the end of the day she doesn't want to be with you - the reason why doesn't matter.
Moving on is the best thing you can do, without looking back. Second chances rarely work, and only then they only have a chance at working if you solve the original issues that caused the first break up.


The biggest issue that I had with this relationship was basically that I hardly ever got to see her due to the distance/driving thing. That combined with the occasional time when she went into recluse mode and didn't want to contact anyone, including me, sometimes for a couple of weeks (that's why I linked to this thread). She also had a habit of leaving her cellphone all over the place, so I couldn't even call her when I wanted to talk to her without her missing my phone call. The thing is, none of these things would of gotten to me if I could see her more regularly, (I also sometimes need alone time and I sometimes let my cellphone battery run flat because I rarely get any phone calls from anyone except from my mom). So the issue for me was basically lack of contact. Despite the issues I was having though, I didn't want to break up with her, so she instead broke up with me (I'm guessing that she was having the same problems).

The thing is, this all happened nearly 2 years ago now and the last time she contacted me was in reply to a merry Christmas SMS that I sent her on Christmas Eve in 2011. We had already broken up at that point. Besides, I also happen to know that she has another boyfriend now due to her change of status on her OKCupid profile. So, I'm not expecting to get back with her.



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30 Jul 2013, 8:45 pm

You know... that behaviour sounds suspiciously like me when I was younger - are you sure she wasn't aspie but undiagnosed?
(recluse, the lack of contact, forgetting to keep her phone on her all the time, were things I was especially famous for when it came to pissing off guys I was dating when I was younger)
Because she was either aspie or never really that interested in you to begin with.


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31 Jul 2013, 3:31 am

Kjas wrote:
You know... that behaviour sounds suspiciously like me when I was younger - are you sure she wasn't aspie but undiagnosed?
(recluse, the lack of contact, forgetting to keep her phone on her all the time, were things I was especially famous for when it came to pissing off guys I was dating when I was younger)
Because she was either aspie or never really that interested in you to begin with.


Other people on WP have said that before in my previous threads and I've done the same kinds of thing, as I've said. As far as I know, she wasn't aspie. However, even her mom said that she did that sort of thing when I met her for the first time, so I don't think that it was just that she was never interested either. There actually are some NT's who have aspie-like traits but without the impairments necessary to qualify for a diagnosis.

Another thing that I noticed she did that seemed almost aspie-like to me was that she used to talk constantly about anything she was interested in, whenever I was on a date with her. I actually liked this about her though because I usually shared the same interests.



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31 Jul 2013, 3:40 am

I still say the main factor was the permanent lack of car from your side, the distance only accelerated her realization and made it worse.

I bet her new boyfriend has a car ;p.



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31 Jul 2013, 3:48 am

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and who told you that those guys don't struggle at dating? They certainly do.



Of course they do. Still, they (most of them) have the advantage of being able to understand social signals. As I recall, you had your last L&D thread shut down by mods because people were telling you something you didn't want to believe: this particular woman was NOT going to work for you. She didn't want to work for you. She could not possibly have been any more clear about it, and anyone with the slightest ability to 'feel out' human relationships could see that. You couldn't. I'm not saying this to be cruel; I just want to refute the advice above (that your visual deficit/inability to drive is the major factor in your lack of success with women). You're an aspie. That's your stone to roll.


If it wasn't really an issue for her then she wouldn't mention it in her breaking up message, that only means that his non-driving status was an issue that was bugging her at heart and she only exposed it at the end. Believe it or not, it was a major factor.

if she loved him enough, she would have waited him till she got her driving licence but......


NEWS flash (sorry deconstruction for stealing this): Women are more likely to refuse a man because he doesn't drive than vice versa. Even more, a woman who's dating a non-driving man is more likely to complain about this issue than the other way around (a man dating a non-driving woman).

Here a cultural comparison that you may understand it better: A man having a car in the developing and in not-much-developed countries (like South Africa) is the equivalent of a man having a flat of his own in America and the west. A man with no car in those countries is like the man living with his parents in the west (= not having his own flat), hence more likely to be rejected by women, the same reverse applies here: men in those countries are more likely to be tolerant about dating with-no-car women like the men in the west are usually more likely to be tolerant toward the idea of dating women who don't have flats of their own.


Jono is a guy - his girlfriend is a girl (surprise!!) - Jono realized that his gf doesn't drive , yet he was ready to compromise this lacking and find other means to compensate that. --> Because he is a MALE - he was not too socially conditioned for hypergamy by society.

His ex-gf realized that jono doesn't drive too but she wasn't ready to tolerate this, and she wasn't ready to wait till she becomes a driver (Because she's a FEMALE, she was conditioned to be hypergamous ever since she was born and because she's a young female then shehas more suitors/options than Jono too) , and that;s why she mentioned it (even if it was just a slight hint but believe my guts...it IS a significant reason) as one of the breaking-up reasons.


Hope i made this clear once and for all.


Reminder... with bold additions.



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31 Jul 2013, 3:52 am

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I still say the main factor was the permanent lack of car from your side, the distance only accelerated her realization and made it worse.

I bet her new boyfriend has a car ;p.


Maybe he does, or he lives in the same town as her, which is quite small. Either way, there's nothing I can do about not driving.



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31 Jul 2013, 3:53 am

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Other people on WP have said that before in my previous threads and I've done the same kinds of thing, as I've said. As far as I know, she wasn't aspie. However, even her mom said that she did that sort of thing when I met her for the first time, so I don't think that it was just that she was never interested either. There actually are some NT's who have aspie-like traits but without the impairments necessary to qualify for a diagnosis.

Another thing that I noticed she did that seemed almost aspie-like to me was that she used to talk constantly about anything she was interested in, whenever I was on a date with her. I actually liked this about her though because I usually shared the same interests.


The majority of aspie women or high functioning women are undiagnosed, even in countries where you would expect it to be picked up.
In second and third world countries you can pretty much guarantee they won't have the diagnosis.

I have seen more than once guys with AS interacting with a girl with AS and never even realising, until someone told them otherwise. Even they don't pick up on the cues. Women with AS are more likely to recognise other women with AS due to a couple of factors. But what you've already said before, plus the above and coupled with said work schedule and other things is sounding more and more like she was herself.


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31 Jul 2013, 4:02 am

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Other people on WP have said that before in my previous threads and I've done the same kinds of thing, as I've said. As far as I know, she wasn't aspie. However, even her mom said that she did that sort of thing when I met her for the first time, so I don't think that it was just that she was never interested either. There actually are some NT's who have aspie-like traits but without the impairments necessary to qualify for a diagnosis.

Another thing that I noticed she did that seemed almost aspie-like to me was that she used to talk constantly about anything she was interested in, whenever I was on a date with her. I actually liked this about her though because I usually shared the same interests.


The majority of aspie women or high functioning women are undiagnosed, even in countries where you would expect it to be picked up.
In second and third world countries you can pretty much guarantee they won't have the diagnosis.

I have seen more than once guys with AS interacting with a girl with AS and never even realising, until someone told them otherwise. Even they don't pick up on the cues. Women with AS are more likely to recognise other women with AS due to a couple of factors. But what you've already said before, plus the above and coupled with said work schedule and other things is sounding more and more like she was herself.


Statistically-wise, she was 1000x more likely an uninterested NT than being an undiagnosed aspie.



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31 Jul 2013, 4:04 am

Exactly what I thought in the beginning too Boo. But the more he says, the more it seems that otherwise is actually a genuine possibility.


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31 Jul 2013, 8:59 am

If she is from a small town in South Africa. I would bet that she was making contact with someone else more frequent than with you. This person could at the time fill her emotional needs more frequently than you could :|

What I am saying is, she probably cheated on you and felt guilty. Your mother is probably right.