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07 Dec 2011, 6:17 pm

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If the poster who is looking for the nice guy happens to be young and good looking, then she's probably also looking for a guy who (in addition to being nice) is attractive, well-educated, and has a good personality.

I had this male friend who was overweight, short, and had sort of bad skin. He was also broke and living at home with his parents. He had this huge crush on a barista at the university we went to. She was 10 years younger than he was and was very pretty but he thought he had a shot because she was always nice to him when fixing his coffee, making chit chat etc. He finally got up the courage to ask her out and she turned him down cold. He was so angry, “I’m such a great guy, why wouldn’t she even give me a chance?” Then I offered to set him up with one of my friends. She was the same age as him, also on the chubby side, also a very fun and kind person who had already graduated with honors and had a kick-ass job and owned her own home. I showed him her picture, and he was NOT INTERESTED.

When I hear “Nice Guys” complain that “women” only want to date jerks…what most of them really mean is that all the *trophy* women that they happen to be physically attracted to only want to date *trophy* men (men whom the women are attracted to). So, look at yourself realistically. Are you young and physically attractive? Are you well-educated or financially well-off? Are you fun to be around and interesting? If so, it probably doesn’t matter if you’re a nice guy or not, you won’t have trouble dating the most attractive single women out there. If the above does *not* describe you, you probably will be frustrated for many years unless you start asking out the less “desirable” women. Women who are probably just as “nice” as you are!

I've made those complaints a lot here in the past & I was NOT going for a trophy wife at all. Looks are not important to me. I was just wanting someone to give me a real chance & it took me a long time to even find that & it didn't work out :cry:


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07 Dec 2011, 6:17 pm

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We're all married.

I hope you are wrong! LOL.

Well, ya got me there.

There are some of us that aren't married.

Know Why?

They're gay.

:D


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07 Dec 2011, 6:36 pm

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Not really... confidence can just be imaginary (thinking a person is something that they are not), money is only good over things that can be bought (which does not include everything, including many people), and charisma is generally only good over those who are incapable of seeing through it.
Someone who is brave with intellect and principles is much stronger, in my opinion.


Plus:

- Confidence doesn't equal strong personality. It just means you have confidence and any egoistical jerk can have that. I'm not saying all confident people are jerks, but you don't need to be strong to have confidence.

- Money doesn't mean strength. There are many capable people who don't earn much and vice versa.

- Charisma is a good thing and sure make people like you. But it's not about the strength.



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07 Dec 2011, 7:06 pm

Fnord wrote:
HopefulRomantic wrote:
Fnord wrote:
We're all married.

I hope you are wrong! LOL.

Well, ya got me there.

There are some of us that aren't married.

Know Why?

They're gay.

:D


Not married, not gay, but I'm not sure if I'm nice - I'm guessing "no".



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07 Dec 2011, 7:13 pm

Grisha wrote:
Fnord wrote:
HopefulRomantic wrote:
Fnord wrote:
We're all married.

I hope you are wrong! LOL.

Well, ya got me there.

There are some of us that aren't married.

Know Why?

They're gay.

:D


Not married, not gay, but I'm not sure if I'm nice - I'm guessing "no".


From what I know of you from your posts, I'd say you are nice. I'd call you a nice person though, because nobody seems able to agree upon a clear definition of what a "nice guy" actually is.


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07 Dec 2011, 7:30 pm

sunshower wrote:
Grisha wrote:
Fnord wrote:
HopefulRomantic wrote:
Fnord wrote:
We're all married.

I hope you are wrong! LOL.

Well, ya got me there.

There are some of us that aren't married.

Know Why?

They're gay.

:D


Not married, not gay, but I'm not sure if I'm nice - I'm guessing "no".


From what I know of you from your posts, I'd say you are nice. I'd call you a nice person though, because nobody seems able to agree upon a clear definition of what a "nice guy" actually is.


SSHHH!! ! Do you want to ruin my love life? :wink:

(as if I needed any help doing that :roll: )



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07 Dec 2011, 7:50 pm

Grisha wrote:
sunshower wrote:
Grisha wrote:
Fnord wrote:
HopefulRomantic wrote:
Fnord wrote:
We're all married.

I hope you are wrong! LOL.

Well, ya got me there.

There are some of us that aren't married.

Know Why?

They're gay.

:D


Not married, not gay, but I'm not sure if I'm nice - I'm guessing "no".


From what I know of you from your posts, I'd say you are nice. I'd call you a nice person though, because nobody seems able to agree upon a clear definition of what a "nice guy" actually is.


SSHHH!! ! Do you want to ruin my love life? :wink:

(as if I needed any help doing that :roll: )

Maybe we should start a club Grisha


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07 Dec 2011, 7:53 pm

I'm a pretty nice guy 8) when do I pick you up? :P


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07 Dec 2011, 9:49 pm

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Not me.


Doh you beat me to the punch I tire of all these "nice guy threads" many aspie males are @ you know.


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07 Dec 2011, 10:08 pm

dancing_penguin wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
deconstruction wrote:
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The problem is, he lacks confidence, money, and charisma, so he's basically a weak person


How does lacking confidence, money and charisma make you a weak person?!?


It's self-evident. Confidence, money and charisma give you more power, so the lack of them would just give you the opposite thing : weakness.


Not really... confidence can just be imaginary (thinking a person is something that they are not), money is only good over things that can be bought (which does not include everything, including many people), and charisma is generally only good over those who are incapable of seeing through it.
Someone who is brave with intellect and principles is much stronger, in my opinion.


So if someone lacks confidence AND money AND power, he can still not be weak?

Brave with intellect and principles is not confidence?



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07 Dec 2011, 10:25 pm

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So if someone lacks confidence AND money AND power, he can still not be weak?

Brave with intellect and principles is not confidence?


Well, someone could have good qualities, but yet be unsure of them (like not be confident in their own abilities).


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07 Dec 2011, 10:37 pm

By way of explanation...

About a decade ago, I was speaking with my cousin, who had been having bad luck with her relationships. It seems that she too would readily lament the story that there were no nice guys left to date. So I asked her what she though would define the archetypical "Nice Guy". Her description went something like:

A Nice Guy Must:

  • Dress fashionably
  • Be up on the current dance steps, especially disco
  • Understand her feelings, and commiserate with empathy
  • Enjoy shopping with her, even if it is for lingerie
  • Keep his home neat, tidy, and well decorated
  • Have concern for his appearance and personal hygiene
  • Let sex be her idea
  • Like poetry, music, and "Chick Flicks"
  • Enjoy long walks, whether on the beach, in the park, or in a mall
  • Be popular, but discrete
I told her I knew exactly where to find such a man, and many others like him.

"Where?" she asked, excitedly.

"The White Swallow", I answered. "They tell me that it's a dance club and 'Meet-Market' for men like you described - gay men."

I've never seen her become so depressed, and so fast. She later got involved with a married father of four, and "stole" him from his wife of 20+ years...

:roll:

At least she and I have different last names.


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07 Dec 2011, 11:09 pm

dancing_penguin wrote:
MCalavera wrote:

So if someone lacks confidence AND money AND power, he can still not be weak?

Brave with intellect and principles is not confidence?


Well, someone could have good qualities, but yet be unsure of them (like not be confident in their own abilities).


Isn't that usually fake modesty?



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07 Dec 2011, 11:15 pm

MCalavera wrote:
dancing_penguin wrote:
MCalavera wrote:

So if someone lacks confidence AND money AND power, he can still not be weak?

Brave with intellect and principles is not confidence?


Well, someone could have good qualities, but yet be unsure of them (like not be confident in their own abilities).


Isn't that usually fake modesty?


See the Dunning-Kruger effect (link)
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision." -- Bertrand Russell

+ see real-life example section here, where there are some not particularly confident yet quite accomplished and clever people: link


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07 Dec 2011, 11:19 pm

Interesting. Thanks for that.



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08 Dec 2011, 12:30 am

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Men are always saying that women don't want a Mr Nice guy but here is one woman that does. So where are all the Mr Nice guys? Nowhere that I can find them...


nice guy can mean multiple things.

it's not limited to "a guy who is nice", but an archetype.

you know the most brutal abusers, cheaters, heartbreakers - were REALLY REALLY nice at first.

you know the desperate loser/creeps, who have no self esteem - they're "nice" .

people who conceal their true feelings, cuz their too "nice" to reveal their feelings.