Would love to hear some thoughts on my situation...
Do you think he needs to live with someone, would he be able to manage his own flat? It might be better to try and help him get a small flat near to where you live so he can visit you and the baby easier (so as to not stay over). Can the psych ward help him get accommodation?
I have a similar problem, my ex has to get a 45 min bus and then at least an hours train to visit me, my older kids do not like him any more and dont want to see him so he can only come in school hours which is going to make contact visits hard, I can envisage it being very difficult when the baby is born as he is not going to want to go home and leave the baby as he will love the baby so much. ideally my ex would get a little flat in my town so he could visit easier and not have to pay a small fortune on train fares (and be more likely to go home when asked), but he cant do that as he doesnt have confidence to run a flat or find one, I think if i got him a flat and paid the deposit he would not be able to cope with the bills and chores, i think he needs to be taught how to run it first and he would not want me to teach him as he would find it insulting and patronizing. Its hard as you cant do it for someone else and have to let them make their life themselves.
Have you got family support? Have you got someone to stay with you during labour and help you after the birth?
Do you love him?
I agree with the ghist of every response except this one.
The guy cant afford rent so he has to stay with someone.
Who better than a blood relative?
His relatives should step up to the plate and take responsibilty for him.
her job is to take care of herself and her child.
The guys fate should be of no concern to her.
She should severe all ties with him and -hes an abusive loser - its her duty to flush him out of her life and get on with getting a real life.
If she "loves" him then she should get counselling to cured out of that kind of pathological love.
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I'm very hesitant to step in between him and his family. Also this particular relative has already spoken to the psych ward staff about her being present at sessions with psychologists, counselors, etc which may make it difficult to voice my concerns should I choose to. This concerns me as well as those are the times that he needs to be talking about how he feels with what has been going on, not for a family member to be putting words in his mouth or trying to steer the conversation to a certain area.
I was also asked by his mother to restrict any contact I have with him from now on. This confused me a lot as the two visits I have had with him have been the first time I have seen him in over a month and the only reason I went in the second time was because he has no shampoo, soap, etc and he needed to be able to wash himself.
So I am wondering how much more distance does she want me to put between the two of us? Especially since I've been his main source of support for quite a while.
I am really unsure if they are really putting his interests first but I feel its not my place to say so or to take action. From what I have seen and heard, his family are quite opinionated and narrow-minded. There are constantly petty arguments between family members and people choosing to avoid each other and all sorts of dramas so I really don't feel any of them are suitable to care for him because everyone has bad days and he is no exception.
And its going to be the bad days he needs their support the most.
I was also asked by his mother to restrict any contact I have with him from now on. This confused me a lot as the two visits I have had with him have been the first time I have seen him in over a month and the only reason I went in the second time was because he has no shampoo, soap, etc and he needed to be able to wash himself.
So I am wondering how much more distance does she want me to put between the two of us? Especially since I've been his main source of support for quite a while.
I am really unsure if they are really putting his interests first but I feel its not my place to say so or to take action. From what I have seen and heard, his family are quite opinionated and narrow-minded. There are constantly petty arguments between family members and people choosing to avoid each other and all sorts of dramas so I really don't feel any of them are suitable to care for him because everyone has bad days and he is no exception.
And its going to be the bad days he needs their support the most.
i think it sounds like they (his family) like having power over him, they sound like they are perhaps jealous of your influence and maybe want him all to themselves.
I think its important you voice your concerns to the staff of the psych ward, but only you can make that decision.
I think as the father of your child, you are helping your child by helping him (just as he would be helping your child by helping you) but you have to make your own decision and not go by what i say as clearly being in a very similar situation I am biased in my views and not objective.
However I do think his family is going to make him worse (esp as they screwed him up in the first place) and he would be best to not have them so involved in his care and esp to live with the relative who has lead him to go off the rails in the past. to help his mental health he needs quiet and peacefulness not family drama, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressed_emotion as family drama makes people more ill and for longer. The psych ward will be aware of the effects of intrusive families and will value your input, you are important in his care as the mother of his child and im sure they will take what you say seriously.
But do what feels best in your heart as you will be most content with decisions which feel right for you, dont do what you dont want to do just because someone else has suggested it.
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He can, he just isn't reliable enough to pay it consistently and on time.
His relatives should step up to the plate and take responsibilty for him.
What if they don't step up to the plate? He turns 23 later this year, he should have received help as a child when he showed symptoms, or as a teenager when he started having problems with drugs and alcohol and getting in trouble with Police. He was in this person's care. She was his legal guardian and could have sort help for him, even without his consent.
Should he be thrown out on the street again and be denied support? And then when all the hard work starts to come undone he will be back at square one again and may refuse to try to get help again.
She should severe all ties with him and -hes an abusive loser - its her duty to flush him out of her life and get on with getting a real life.
His fate is a concern to me because I don't want to have to deny him the right to spend time with his child. As I have said previously he will not be having unsupervised contact, but he still needs to get the help he needs to work towards that.
I am currently in counselling, I felt in necessary to make every effort I can to be the best mother I can be, and part of that is to have someone to speak to about these issues. Being in an abusive relationship is not easy but it can be just as hard - if not harder - to walk away.
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I think its important you voice your concerns to the staff of the psych ward, but only you can make that decision.
I think as the father of your child, you are helping your child by helping him (just as he would be helping your child by helping you) but you have to make your own decision and not go by what i say as clearly being in a very similar situation I am biased in my views and not objective.
However I do think his family is going to make him worse (esp as they screwed him up in the first place) and he would be best to not have them so involved in his care and esp to live with the relative who has lead him to go off the rails in the past. to help his mental health he needs quiet and peacefulness not family drama, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressed_emotion as family drama makes people more ill and for longer. The psych ward will be aware of the effects of intrusive families and will value your input, you are important in his care as the mother of his child and im sure they will take what you say seriously.
But do what feels best in your heart as you will be most content with decisions which feel right for you, dont do what you dont want to do just because someone else has suggested it.
Thanks for your input and sharing your situation. I just had a quick read of the Wikipedia article and although I'm no professional I have already spotted several similarities to behaviors I have witnessed in his relatives directly in relation to him. I suppose the question is if his relatives aren't up to the task, then who is? I can guarantee he isn't going to get any peace in my household with a newborn baby and I would be extremely hesitant to have him live with me even if I wasn't pregnant. I will be too focused on the baby to be able to offer him much support and being tired and cranky from lack of sleep isn't going to help him, myself or the baby either.
I think I might have another chat with him about supported accommodation, he wasn't too keen on the idea of having to live with anyone but at least he would have safe, stable accommodation and could work towards being able to live on his own if that's what he decides he wants. His family would still be able to visit and help steer him in the right direction without the risk of him being kicked out when they decide they can no longer put up with him. There are trained staff on site so I'm sure if they felt something wasn't right that it would be noted and passed on to the relevant professional for them to look into.
I think its important you voice your concerns to the staff of the psych ward, but only you can make that decision.
I think as the father of your child, you are helping your child by helping him (just as he would be helping your child by helping you) but you have to make your own decision and not go by what i say as clearly being in a very similar situation I am biased in my views and not objective.
However I do think his family is going to make him worse (esp as they screwed him up in the first place) and he would be best to not have them so involved in his care and esp to live with the relative who has lead him to go off the rails in the past. to help his mental health he needs quiet and peacefulness not family drama, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressed_emotion as family drama makes people more ill and for longer. The psych ward will be aware of the effects of intrusive families and will value your input, you are important in his care as the mother of his child and im sure they will take what you say seriously.
But do what feels best in your heart as you will be most content with decisions which feel right for you, dont do what you dont want to do just because someone else has suggested it.
Thanks for your input and sharing your situation. I just had a quick read of the Wikipedia article and although I'm no professional I have already spotted several similarities to behaviors I have witnessed in his relatives directly in relation to him. I suppose the question is if his relatives aren't up to the task, then who is? I can guarantee he isn't going to get any peace in my household with a newborn baby and I would be extremely hesitant to have him live with me even if I wasn't pregnant. I will be too focused on the baby to be able to offer him much support and being tired and cranky from lack of sleep isn't going to help him, myself or the baby either.
I think I might have another chat with him about supported accommodation, he wasn't too keen on the idea of having to live with anyone but at least he would have safe, stable accommodation and could work towards being able to live on his own if that's what he decides he wants. His family would still be able to visit and help steer him in the right direction without the risk of him being kicked out when they decide they can no longer put up with him. There are trained staff on site so I'm sure if they felt something wasn't right that it would be noted and passed on to the relevant professional for them to look into.
That sounds like a good plan. let us know how it goes.

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I'm going to sound very harsh here & say I think you have a parent/child relationship with him. You are pregnant with your own child who you should be looking after instead of trying to help some physically violent drug user who still believes your his girlfriend; he might be manipulating & playing you
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I don't see it that way, hence why I'm asking for the opinions of others, but it is possible things between us are more parent/child-like. I've always encouraged his independence however I was raised solely by my mother so for quite a number of years I was under the impression that the woman does everything in the relationship as there was no one for my mother to share work or domestic duties with. Its a habit I'm constantly working on but its very easy to slip back into the pattern of taking responsibility for everything.
At least I know how to get things done because if I didn't I would be struggling when the baby arrives! So I'm grateful for that right now,
I wouldn't say I'm actively trying to help him, although I can see how it comes across that way. Ideally I just want him to be getting the right kind of help so that I don't have to play a role in his care.
The well-being of myself and the baby is my first priority and I've made him well aware of that. He doesn't seem to cope with change well and I think he may be having trouble coming to terms with our separation. I can only hope this will improve over time.
I doubt he is manipulating or playing me though. I think he is just a very troubled person at the moment and emotionally clinging onto anyone that gives him the slightest amount of support and at the moment that has mainly been me. At several points in our relationship he did just tell me whatever I wanted to hear and I'll admit I believed him for a while. He doesn't seem to be doing that now and I think he understands that he needs to do this for himself and to be a positive influence on the baby. Hopefully things will work out with his family and he will start to rely on them more and not so much on me - preferably not relying on me at all.
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**UPDATE**
Apparently he is not able to move in with the relative now. She has already changed her mind in a few days without him even being there. While I feel relieved that he won't be in her home, I don't see why she has chosen to confuse him even more than what he already is.
Now instead of moving him into her home, she is trying to get him into a place close to hers where he will be by himself. He will have to pay rent, bills, etc as with most places. Does his family really not understand that he is going to struggle to live on his own? I should add that this relative is already in her 60s and I doubt there will be much assistance available due to the rural location. She is his only family in that area as well.
When I spoke to him he seemed to think this was ideal as he wants to live by himself. He did say it was his last resort because he would be so far away. Realistically its highly unlikely he will manage to obtain any kind of rental property near me, I am having difficulties getting into any as well and so are a lot of others. Its a very tough rental market here at the moment and there is a very high rate of homelessness and risk of becoming homeless. The rent prices are often very expensive and there is a lot of discrimination involved in the selection process of applicants.
Not only that but he has not coped well previously living on his own but always thinks he will manage just fine - until something upsets him and then instead of paying rent he uses the money on drugs and repeats the cycle again.
I talked to his mother about the supported accommodation and she is looking into it. I believe she is waiting to hear back from a few places. I've spoken to him about it as well and he seemed very hesitant about there being other people living there. I reassured him as best I could but he didn't seem very convinced.
On a positive note he seems to be a lot happier at the moment.
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