Feeling like giving up

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Unless we all came in without expecting to learn anything, that's simply not true.

I have facilitated a Socrates Cafe chapter for a year now, and talking about things that seem trivial on the surface can still lead to some valid and interesting cultural insights. Heck, the past few posts I made could branch to economics, psychology and sociology.

We can influence people on forums, too. I think that talking about reality TV on forums is just another possible topic. Complaints can be dissected to allow for inquiry.

Besides, you've had some not-so-nice things to say as well, Mrs. I-define-quality-programming!



For the sake of discussion, could you bridge your "is" and "ought" statements?

what would change about the programming by complaining about daytime tv on WrongPlanet?

If you are looking for quick changes and/or limit your perception to this website alone, nothing.

Also, my position is not to change TV. I'm not sure where you got that impression.

Now, if you are going to come back with "Exactly! There's no point to this thread!", remember that things can be learned from even seemingly-trivial topics if the right questions are asked or if statements that lead to relevant tangents are made. My first post tried to be a contribution in the spirit of this attitude.

basically, what else is the purpose of this thread?

to complain?
to change the situation?

what CAN be learned from this thread besides the fact that daytime tv is utter crap?

How about "to talk"?

Things that could be learned come from discussion, and we cannot ultimately control where that goes.

A question to the OP could be: "Why do television shows and their audiences feel it necessary to treat the sexes differently?"
From this, we could move on to learning more about discrimination.

A question to my first post could be: "Can positive attitudes spread as effectively as negative ones?"
From this, we can learn more about what captures human attention.

Tim_Tex asked this a while back:


From this, we could learn if companies are invested in nurturing discrimination. We kind of did that, but then we got here.

You started to explore with:

That's great! Thing is, it seems to assume that Tim_Tex is simply whining! Are you sure he will not say anything insightful later in the thread? If I was him, I'd be a little insulted right about now.

I admit that this thread is not supposed to be some society-changing experience. If it should be, lock it up along with the rest of the forum, since I can't imagine many of us started social movements.

so then... why is this thread in Love & Dating?

...Now THAT is a good question.

It could be made relevant by gearing towards how reality TV affects the dating scene, I suppose.

Here's some sexism on a talk show.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrvDhSB7GHk[/youtube]

Apparently, a woman chopping off a man's private parts is "quite fabulous".
Note to self: make a joke about female circumcision tomorrow; expect punch in the face.

sage_gerard, you don't really know the dynamics of WrongPlanet yet, and the characters herein. this thread is intended as a way of "proving" that men are discriminated against because of their treatment on crap tv. we could just as easily make the point for women on daytime tv as well.

but there is not point in discussing it in a Love & Dating subforum because it come across like a thinly-veiled way to complain about the genders. this is a pattern on the forum and there is a reason i am pooh-poohing it straight out of the gates. threads like this are not intended to promote critical dialogue about men and women in the media, or the thread would actually be in one of the applicable sections where that could happen.

Ah, I see. I can understand being on the lookout after that brawl in "Examples of how Feminism helps men?" or whatever it was.

Now, the MRM has been growing, so it would not surprise me if more complaints DID pop up. If the thread goes to flaming, then by all means do what you've gotta do. I do not think its that bad yet, though.

I still stand by my statements in favor of open discussion.

QTF
What do you expect from the crud that they put on in the daytime.
That tat is just as bad as the property porn they put on!

It does upset me, however, that some people will think all men are lying, cheating, abusive scumbags. Yet it seems like it is acceptable for a woman to do those things (considered empowerment in their case). On a related note, it does upset me that some of the threads on here seem to imply that women are allowed to have standards, and choose a partner, but men are not.

I have been grilled for years on here for having a set of criteria for a partner, but others on here have criteria for partners and they don't get criticized for them. The behaviors on the talk show guests has me upset about the double standards between the genders regarding relationships, and that's why it's in L&D. I don't like being labeled abnormal because I don't fit into the "male stereotype" regarding relationships.

mmmmhmmmm i sensed an agenda.

there isn't any double standard in society that you can judge or measure base on daytime television programs. i'd say turn the set off or find better programming because that crap is unnecessarily feeding your anger

The guys on here who posted all the "nice guys" threads made it look like men are not allowed to have standards and just have to hope they are "picked", and that upsets me a lot.

nobody said they can't have standards

Even though I have disregarded those threads, I still feel discouraged and demoralized about relationships partly by those threads.

I still put myself out there and be the best person I can be, but the combination of the threads, the talk shows, and the whole saga with that girl (who I have already talked about extensively) has me feeling like giving up. Plus I am undesirable by Aspies and NTs alike.