Are more women than not willing to date Gastons

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27 Apr 2012, 2:14 am

Awesome comment techn0teen and Declension .
Nobody owes anyone else sex or affection, ever for any reason. Even if they are super "nice".
In my experience self proclaimed "nice guys" aren't actually nice, they're trying to make a woman feel indebted to him, trying to make her feel obligated to put out.
Women aren't shallow for not liking you. Women aren't b*****s for not liking you. Women aren't cowardly for not liking you.

Women are pretty darn brave overall to step-out everyday into a world full of people who don't realize we're people too.

Use of the word friendzone is an immediate indicator that you're talking to a creep. Friendship is beautiful and awesome, if you can't stand someone who won't touch your penis maybe you just shouldn't have friends.

Also Beauty in the Beast (the Disney version) presents a lovely story of stockholm syndrome.
The classic fairy tale, a story to encourage young brides to look very, very, hard to see something good in the likely much older man (beast) they were married off to (traded like chattle to).
Fairy Tales are dark, not particularly aspirational.


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27 Apr 2012, 5:42 am

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Typical women and their friendzone chump, eh? The guy that helps her out, whom she ignores.


People are not sex dispensers. How would you like it if an ugly girl saved your life and then expected you to date her out of gratitude?


If she wasn't ugly, but we weren't a perfect match either, I'd at least give her a chance.



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27 Apr 2012, 5:46 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Also Beauty in the Beast (the Disney version) presents a lovely story of stockholm syndrome.
The classic fairy tale, a story to encourage young brides to look very, very, hard to see something good in the likely much older man (beast) they were married off to (traded like chattle to).
Fairy Tales are dark, not particularly aspirational.


Nobody knows where the fairy tale comes from, who wrote it or what the metaphors represent. In the Norwegian version (where the prince is transformed into a polar bear every day and is a human every night), the princess herself sets out to break the curse because she loves the prince.

Furthermore, friendships spawned from failed dates never last. Also, a lot of people have enough friends and if nothing romantical happens after the "get to know each other"-stage, then sometimes it's better to just cut contact.



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27 Apr 2012, 5:58 am

I think Gaston would probably do well with attracting women in the short term, especially younger, inexperienced ones. But I don't think most women would be fooled for long. Most women aren't airheads.

As John Lennon said about a certain cute rival of his:

A pretty face will last a year or two
But pretty soon they'll see what you can do
How can you sleep?


He was talking about music and friends rather than women, but Gaston fits the bill, IMHO.

In a word, narcissism. Most entertainers are nascissists. So is Gaston. Narcissists are useless at relationships.



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27 Apr 2012, 10:41 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Women aren't shallow for not liking you. Women aren't b*****s for not liking you. Women aren't cowardly for not liking you. Women are pretty darn brave overall to step-out everyday into a world full of people who don't realize we're people too.


A lot of single men think this (which is rightfully why they are single).

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Use of the word friendzone is an immediate indicator that you're talking to a creep. Friendship is beautiful and awesome, if you can't stand someone who won't touch your penis maybe you just shouldn't have friends.


Perfectly stated. Whenever people use the "friendzone", I call them out on their bluff. I've seen some of my best friends hurt by people like these.

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Also Beauty in the Beast (the Disney version) presents a lovely story of stockholm syndrome.
The classic fairy tale, a story to encourage young brides to look very, very, hard to see something good in the likely much older man (beast) they were married off to (traded like chattle to). Fairy Tales are dark, not particularly aspirational.


What I really hated about Beauty and the Beast was how the beast struck at Bell a couple of times and the story insisted that he was good. What a terrible message. And it makes women think something is wrong with them when an abusive husband starts hitting her.



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27 Apr 2012, 11:37 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Awesome comment techn0teen and Declension .
Nobody owes anyone else sex or affection, ever for any reason. Even if they are super "nice".
In my experience self proclaimed "nice guys" aren't actually nice, they're trying to make a woman feel indebted to him, trying to make her feel obligated to put out.
Women aren't shallow for not liking you. Women aren't b*****s for not liking you. Women aren't cowardly for not liking you.

Women are pretty darn brave overall to step-out everyday into a world full of people who don't realize we're people too.

Use of the word friendzone is an immediate indicator that you're talking to a creep. Friendship is beautiful and awesome, if you can't stand someone who won't touch your penis maybe you just shouldn't have friends.

Also Beauty in the Beast (the Disney version) presents a lovely story of stockholm syndrome.
The classic fairy tale, a story to encourage young brides to look very, very, hard to see something good in the likely much older man (beast) they were married off to (traded like chattle to).
Fairy Tales are dark, not particularly aspirational.


You don't sound so nice yourself. Making blanket statements about people you don't actually know. Never mind derailing plenty of threads here with your nonsense. Get over yourself. :roll:


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27 Apr 2012, 11:58 am

Boxman108 wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Awesome comment techn0teen and Declension .
Nobody owes anyone else sex or affection, ever for any reason. Even if they are super "nice".
In my experience self proclaimed "nice guys" aren't actually nice, they're trying to make a woman feel indebted to him, trying to make her feel obligated to put out.
Women aren't shallow for not liking you. Women aren't b*****s for not liking you. Women aren't cowardly for not liking you.

Women are pretty darn brave overall to step-out everyday into a world full of people who don't realize we're people too.

Use of the word friendzone is an immediate indicator that you're talking to a creep. Friendship is beautiful and awesome, if you can't stand someone who won't touch your penis maybe you just shouldn't have friends.

Also Beauty in the Beast (the Disney version) presents a lovely story of stockholm syndrome.
The classic fairy tale, a story to encourage young brides to look very, very, hard to see something good in the likely much older man (beast) they were married off to (traded like chattle to).
Fairy Tales are dark, not particularly aspirational.


You don't sound so nice yourself. Making blanket statements about people you don't actually know. Never mind derailing plenty of threads here with your nonsense. Get over yourself. :roll:


Boxman108, it's not good to make assumptions about people you don't really know. I thought her particular comment was actually accurate, nobody should have to feel indebted to have sex with someone they don't want sex with, that's called non-consensual sex, also known as rape. If someone thinks they are entitled to sex with someone that doesn't want them, they are more likely to be passive aggressive or guilt trip the women into having sex which is actually the opposite of being good. The same applies for us, we don't have to feel obliged to like a girl, attraction is a mutual thing.

Nice guys trying to manipulate a woman with their niceness are no different than so-called bad guys, at least the bad guy is being honest about his intentions.



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27 Apr 2012, 3:40 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
Boxman108 wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Awesome comment techn0teen and Declension .
Nobody owes anyone else sex or affection, ever for any reason. Even if they are super "nice".
In my experience self proclaimed "nice guys" aren't actually nice, they're trying to make a woman feel indebted to him, trying to make her feel obligated to put out.
Women aren't shallow for not liking you. Women aren't b*****s for not liking you. Women aren't cowardly for not liking you.

Women are pretty darn brave overall to step-out everyday into a world full of people who don't realize we're people too.

Use of the word friendzone is an immediate indicator that you're talking to a creep. Friendship is beautiful and awesome, if you can't stand someone who won't touch your penis maybe you just shouldn't have friends.

Also Beauty in the Beast (the Disney version) presents a lovely story of stockholm syndrome.
The classic fairy tale, a story to encourage young brides to look very, very, hard to see something good in the likely much older man (beast) they were married off to (traded like chattle to).
Fairy Tales are dark, not particularly aspirational.


You don't sound so nice yourself. Making blanket statements about people you don't actually know. Never mind derailing plenty of threads here with your nonsense. Get over yourself. :roll:


Boxman108, it's not good to make assumptions about people you don't really know. I thought her particular comment was actually accurate, nobody should have to feel indebted to have sex with someone they don't want sex with, that's called non-consensual sex, also known as rape. If someone thinks they are entitled to sex with someone that doesn't want them, they are more likely to be passive aggressive or guilt trip the women into having sex which is actually the opposite of being good. The same applies for us, we don't have to feel obliged to like a girl, attraction is a mutual thing.

Nice guys trying to manipulate a woman with their niceness are no different than so-called bad guys, at least the bad guy is being honest about his intentions.


You've got these misconceptions about "nice guys" that hardly make any sense. If they were as manipulative as you say, they would not be referred to that way. How can you tell whether anyone deliberately guilt women into having sex? Generalizations like these are simply not true.


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27 Apr 2012, 3:41 pm

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If you can't beat them, join them! Personally, I have made a commitment to eat several dozen eggs every morning, and I have begun to use antlers in my decorating.

Hehe. :D


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27 Apr 2012, 3:53 pm

The message I'm getting from many posters in this thread is that nice guys don't actually exist, and any "nice guy" is actually trying to manipulate women for sex and is the scum of the Earth. Where are you guys getting these ideas from? There are tons of genuinely nice guys out there.

And I do think that a nice guy would have the right to complain if women rejected them solely for being a nice person.



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27 Apr 2012, 3:58 pm

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There are tons of genuinely nice guys out there.


Yes, and one of their distinguishing properties is that they don't tend to say things like "I'm a nice guy!"



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27 Apr 2012, 4:06 pm

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Yes, and one of their distinguishing properties is that they don't tend to say things like "I'm a nice guy!"


And did anyone in this thread say that? Not as far as I can see.



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27 Apr 2012, 4:11 pm

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And did anyone in this thread say that? Not as far as I can see.


It's pretty heavily implied, don't you think? Why would people be complaining about "nice guys" losing to "Gastons" if they didn't consider themselves to be one of the former?



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27 Apr 2012, 4:20 pm

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pathologically high levels of well-being, disregard for the needs of others, arrogance, etc. are all related to high testosterone levels which are attractive


You'd be suprised to see how well-mannered and friendly many bodybuilders are. Furthermore, a lot of what you're describing can be ascribed to feminine pretty boys as well.



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27 Apr 2012, 4:21 pm

I'm not sure what body building has to do with testosterone levels? (not saying it doesn't)


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27 Apr 2012, 4:22 pm

Kurgan wrote:
philippepetit wrote:
pathologically high levels of well-being, disregard for the needs of others, arrogance, etc. are all related to high testosterone levels which are attractive


You'd be suprised to see how well-mannered and friendly many bodybuilders are. Furthermore, a lot of what you're describing can be ascribed to feminine pretty boys as well.


I highly doubt that.


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