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05 May 2012, 3:41 pm

I do think that being an alpha male is an attractive quality to women. I'm not so sure about the romantic thing.. probably need to rethink that a bit and get back to you.



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05 May 2012, 3:44 pm

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I do think that being an alpha male is an attractive quality to women. I'm not so sure about the romantic thing.. probably need to rethink that a bit and get back to you.

if alpha males were attractive then it would leave non-alpha males in the reject pile, but that doesn't happen on a consistent basis.


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05 May 2012, 4:09 pm

It does, but not to the polarised extent you're taking it to.

I do think, to put it bluntly, that alpha males have sex with the most women. Such as the highly vulgar lead singer of Kiss; Gene Simmons, who claims to have had sex with 4800 women.

I haven't thought this through enough to make an argument about it, but it seems it's such men who women engage in casual sex with, when they have it. Then when they want a relationship it seems they turn away from these men in favour of ones who display a balance of alpha male characteristics and the capacity to be monogamous.

Again I think these are trends, not something everyone does, like eating.

Btw you were right on the other thread about the 'emotional tampon' thing. I was being (a) kneejerk.



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05 May 2012, 4:13 pm

beezy wrote:
It does, but not to the polarised extent you're taking it to.

I do think, to put it bluntly, that alpha males have sex with the most women. Such as the highly vulgar lead singer of Kiss; Gene Simmons, who claims to have had sex with 4800 women.

I haven't thought this through enough to make an argument about it, but it seems it's such men who women engage in casual sex with, when they have it. Then when they want a relationship it seems they turn away from these men in favour of ones who display a balance of alpha male characteristics and the capacity to be monogamous.

Again I think these are trends, not something everyone does, like eating.

Btw you were right on the other thread about the 'emotional tampon' thing. I was being (a) kneejerk.

the thread is about dating, and i think it is pretty apparent that men of all types are able to date. non-alpha men do not necessarily remain single, nor do supposedly alpha men have more fulfilling/lasting/better/more frequent dating experiences.


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05 May 2012, 4:25 pm

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non-alpha men do not necessarily remain single, nor do supposedly alpha men have more fulfilling/lasting/better/more frequent dating experiences.


You're living in a dream world. Alpha males have it much easier when it comes to attracting women and have it much easier in life in general than non-alpha males and that is a biological fact.



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05 May 2012, 4:30 pm

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non-alpha men do not necessarily remain single, nor do supposedly alpha men have more fulfilling/lasting/better/more frequent dating experiences.


You're living in a dream world. Alpha males have it much easier when it comes to attracting women and have it much easier in life in general than non-alpha males and that is a biological fact.

nawww i live in the real world. i have done massive amounts of research on this topic. predictably, it is people who have limited dating success and consider themselves non-alpha who ascribe alpha characteristics to people who appear to be more successful. "alpha" isn't even a real category in human relationships.

if you ask 100 applicable people to describe an "alpha" man you will get 100 different definitions, all based on the areas that the respondents feel themselves to be lacking.


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05 May 2012, 4:42 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
beezy wrote:
It does, but not to the polarised extent you're taking it to.

I do think, to put it bluntly, that alpha males have sex with the most women. Such as the highly vulgar lead singer of Kiss; Gene Simmons, who claims to have had sex with 4800 women.

I haven't thought this through enough to make an argument about it, but it seems it's such men who women engage in casual sex with, when they have it. Then when they want a relationship it seems they turn away from these men in favour of ones who display a balance of alpha male characteristics and the capacity to be monogamous.

Again I think these are trends, not something everyone does, like eating.

Btw you were right on the other thread about the 'emotional tampon' thing. I was being (a) kneejerk.

the thread is about dating, and i think it is pretty apparent that men of all types are able to date. non-alpha men do not necessarily remain single, nor do supposedly alpha men have more fulfilling/lasting/better/more frequent dating experiences.


I agree that all kinds of different people have successful relationships, yes. And I agree with you that different people are attracted to different things. I think we just differ in our opinions on the extent to which your line of argument is true.

But it isn't really enough to say 'maybe women will like me for who I am' and hope to get dates. I think you will be more successful if you try to notice trends in what women find attractive (which you seem to think don't exist maybe?), and at least incorporate this into the logic of your approach to dating.



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05 May 2012, 4:53 pm

Wish I had more time to think and talk about some of the issues here.. I'm a bit rushed off my feet with work atm though. Damnit. But in the words of the Terminator... i'll be back :coffee:



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05 May 2012, 8:11 pm

beezy wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
beezy wrote:
It does, but not to the polarised extent you're taking it to.

I do think, to put it bluntly, that alpha males have sex with the most women. Such as the highly vulgar lead singer of Kiss; Gene Simmons, who claims to have had sex with 4800 women.

I haven't thought this through enough to make an argument about it, but it seems it's such men who women engage in casual sex with, when they have it. Then when they want a relationship it seems they turn away from these men in favour of ones who display a balance of alpha male characteristics and the capacity to be monogamous.

Again I think these are trends, not something everyone does, like eating.

Btw you were right on the other thread about the 'emotional tampon' thing. I was being (a) kneejerk.

the thread is about dating, and i think it is pretty apparent that men of all types are able to date. non-alpha men do not necessarily remain single, nor do supposedly alpha men have more fulfilling/lasting/better/more frequent dating experiences.


I agree that all kinds of different people have successful relationships, yes. And I agree with you that different people are attracted to different things. I think we just differ in our opinions on the extent to which your line of argument is true.

But it isn't really enough to say 'maybe women will like me for who I am' and hope to get dates. I think you will be more successful if you try to notice trends in what women find attractive (which you seem to think don't exist maybe?), and at least incorporate this into the logic of your approach to dating.

yes, i agree. :)


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05 May 2012, 8:14 pm

*raises hand followed by a long deep sigh as he yearns for love as he gazes upon the star lit sky*


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06 May 2012, 6:57 pm

Wow, I see that I am not the only one!

By the way, I am not that bad at attracting girls. I have good relationships with many women, but they are all in relationships. I don't just sit at home and dream around all day.



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06 May 2012, 8:36 pm

What is the deal with every guy claiming girls like alpha males? I mean in the animal kingdom they do but it doesn't happen that often with human beings :lol:



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06 May 2012, 10:12 pm

With emphasis on the hopeless part.



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06 May 2012, 10:52 pm

I actually got called a hopeless romantic today. :lol: And girls do like romantic guys. There are some that don't of course, but just like everything else, it is a matter of personal preference.



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09 May 2012, 9:25 am

Joker wrote:
What is the deal with every guy claiming girls like alpha males? I mean in the animal kingdom they do but it doesn't happen that often with human beings :lol:

We should so have a dating call.


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09 May 2012, 9:33 am

Not me. I don't think I even understand the *concept* of romance, what it means, what it looks like, etc.

I have felt attraction, I have felt partnership, but the way in which I perceive romance seems very limited to me. Like shoehorning something larger into very precise, confined expressions. Can someone explain it?