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21 Jun 2012, 10:46 pm

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You could always make up one lol.


LOL! Good way to begin a relationship: lie about previous relationships. Hahahaha.


Hey if telling the truth gets you nowhere then why not? Sometimes being honest ends up hurting you more. Doesn't make sense to be honest then. If a guy puts a gun to your head and says he'll pull the trigger if you tell him that you're gay, and you're gay, would you tell the truth? I think not.


Good point, but it's still not a reason to lie.


Ya it is, if you're rational. Why would you tell the truth and be worse off? If telling the truth doesn't get you laid then why tell the truth, especially if it's minor and doesn't hurt anyone? You're only helping yourself. I was teased about being a virgin so I lied and said I wasn't and they stopped. I'm not talking about morality here. I'm talking about what's best for the individual. And I could get philosophical on you about truth but I don't want to digress any further.



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21 Jun 2012, 10:47 pm

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You could always make up one lol.


LOL! Good way to begin a relationship: lie about previous relationships. Hahahaha.


Hey if telling the truth gets you nowhere then why not? Sometimes being honest ends up hurting you more. Doesn't make sense to be honest then. If a guy puts a gun to your head and says he'll pull the trigger if you tell him that you're gay, and you're gay, would you tell the truth? I think not.


yup cause not getting laid when you want is just like being the victim of hate crime


It's not smart to lie when you're looking for more than a casual hook-up (though in that case it's still a jerk move) because at some point, you're going to get caught or have your energy get caught up in lie maintenance.


Maintaining a lie is tons of work. I couldn't imagine if I started lying in a relationship; that would just be asking for trouble and tons of heartbreak to my lover.



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21 Jun 2012, 10:50 pm

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Kinme wrote:
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bizboy1 wrote:
You could always make up one lol.


LOL! Good way to begin a relationship: lie about previous relationships. Hahahaha.


Hey if telling the truth gets you nowhere then why not? Sometimes being honest ends up hurting you more. Doesn't make sense to be honest then. If a guy puts a gun to your head and says he'll pull the trigger if you tell him that you're gay, and you're gay, would you tell the truth? I think not.


Good point, but it's still not a reason to lie.


Spinning the truth is pretty much just as bad as lying. That's what everyone in this thread has been suggesting so far.

If someone is too much of a p**** to put up with the fact you haven't had a girlfriend before, they're not worth your time. Of course, it's been apparent that Boo and a few others here try to look at this as more of a strategic game than actually dealing with other human beings.


Ya and who wants to sort through N+1 women to find one that will put up with you? Most women find that to be a turn off so why not increase your chances of success by falling in line with their desires. And so what if people take it to be a strategic game? If anything it helps us understand girls and dating better.



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21 Jun 2012, 10:50 pm

bizboy1 wrote:
Kinme wrote:
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Kinme wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
You could always make up one lol.


LOL! Good way to begin a relationship: lie about previous relationships. Hahahaha.


Hey if telling the truth gets you nowhere then why not? Sometimes being honest ends up hurting you more. Doesn't make sense to be honest then. If a guy puts a gun to your head and says he'll pull the trigger if you tell him that you're gay, and you're gay, would you tell the truth? I think not.


Good point, but it's still not a reason to lie.


Ya it is, if you're rational. Why would you tell the truth and be worse off? If telling the truth doesn't get you laid then why tell the truth, especially if it's minor and doesn't hurt anyone? You're only helping yourself. I was teased about being a virgin so I lied and said I wasn't and they stopped. I'm not talking about morality here. I'm talking about what's best for the individual. And I could get philosophical on you about truth but I don't want to digress any further.


If that's what you think will help, so be it. I'm not going to lie, personally, but you can feel free. If you have trouble maintaining those lies, be sure to come to the L&D Forum and we'll help you out. Maybe give you some good pointers; lots of us seem exceptional at that.



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21 Jun 2012, 10:51 pm

bizboy1 wrote:
Boxman108 wrote:
Kinme wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
Kinme wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
You could always make up one lol.


LOL! Good way to begin a relationship: lie about previous relationships. Hahahaha.


Hey if telling the truth gets you nowhere then why not? Sometimes being honest ends up hurting you more. Doesn't make sense to be honest then. If a guy puts a gun to your head and says he'll pull the trigger if you tell him that you're gay, and you're gay, would you tell the truth? I think not.


Good point, but it's still not a reason to lie.


Spinning the truth is pretty much just as bad as lying. That's what everyone in this thread has been suggesting so far.

If someone is too much of a p**** to put up with the fact you haven't had a girlfriend before, they're not worth your time. Of course, it's been apparent that Boo and a few others here try to look at this as more of a strategic game than actually dealing with other human beings.


Ya and who wants to sort through N+1 women to find one that will put up with you? Most women find that to be a turn off so why not increase your chances of success by falling in line with their desires. And so what if people take it to be a strategic game? If anything it helps us understand girls and dating better.


no it doesn't, but it makes you feel like you understand, which must be a comfort


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21 Jun 2012, 11:02 pm

Dating is a strategy game, let's not beat around the bush. The only difference between players and honest people is the end goal.

A player wants to sleep with the girl or use her.

A honest guy wants a relationship.

Both play the game.

As we get older, there are fewer pretty well balanced single girls. Which means more guys hitting on them. You've got to have a strategy to get to the front of the line.



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21 Jun 2012, 11:04 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
Kinme wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
You could always make up one lol.


LOL! Good way to begin a relationship: lie about previous relationships. Hahahaha.


Hey if telling the truth gets you nowhere then why not? Sometimes being honest ends up hurting you more. Doesn't make sense to be honest then. If a guy puts a gun to your head and says he'll pull the trigger if you tell him that you're gay, and you're gay, would you tell the truth? I think not.


yup cause not getting laid when you want is just like being the victim of hate crime


It's not smart to lie when you're looking for more than a casual hook-up (though in that case it's still a jerk move) because at some point, you're going to get caught or have your energy get caught up in lie maintenance.


Let's assume it's not a casual hook-up and that the two individuals are pursuing a relationship. Let's also say that the two individuals have been having a successful relationship for X months. Now let's assume she finds out that you lied about a previous relationship after X months. I claim A) she will either leave you or B) she will be upset but will still stay with you. I claim B) is more probable, especially if the lie is insignificant. Thus if you can judge the odds ahead of time when one is determining to lie or not, one will be better off. By the time she finds out, it's probably unlikely for her to break up given the triviality of the matter. And if she decides to leave you, at least you got laid many times and you're still better of than you were lol. :D



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21 Jun 2012, 11:45 pm

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Dating is a strategy game, let's not beat around the bush. The only difference between players and honest people is the end goal.

A player wants to sleep with the girl or use her.

A honest guy wants a relationship.

Both play the game.

As we get older, there are fewer pretty well balanced single girls. Which means more guys hitting on them. You've got to have a strategy to get to the front of the line.


I admit. I just don't see the appeal of the contortion and manipulation. There's putting your best foot forward, and there's making a paper mache foot covering it in glitter and waving it around.

...there are also less attractive guys...people partner up and the less "issues" a person has, the easier it's likely to be for them to do so
the funny thing about monogamy (even serial monogamy) is that excluding those who aren't straight, for every woman you get's laid/married whatever, a man does too.

But if we're including young in pretty, than yes, as you age there is going to be less availability because there are only so many girls with that kind of daddy issue.

@bizboy:
cool, you can be an ass but it's alright because as long as you can hide it long enough to entrench her she may not outright leave

why have a relationship built on mutual trust and respect when you can have all that


General question - Does getting laid justify unethical behavior? How far does this go...


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21 Jun 2012, 11:50 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
Dating is a strategy game, let's not beat around the bush. The only difference between players and honest people is the end goal.

A player wants to sleep with the girl or use her.

A honest guy wants a relationship.

Both play the game.

As we get older, there are fewer pretty well balanced single girls. Which means more guys hitting on them. You've got to have a strategy to get to the front of the line.


I admit. I just don't see the appeal of the contortion and manipulation. There's putting your best foot forward, and there's making a paper mache foot covering it in glitter and waving it around.

...there are also less attractive guys...people partner up and the less "issues" a person has, the easier it's likely to be for them to do so
the funny thing about monogamy (even serial monogamy) is that excluding those who aren't straight, for every woman you get's laid/married whatever, a man does too.

But if we're including young in pretty, than yes, as you age there is going to be less availability because there are only so many girls with that kind of daddy issue.

@bizboy:
cool, you can be an ass but it's alright because as long as you can hide it long enough to entrench her she may not outright leave

why have a relationship built on mutual trust and respect when you can have all that


General question - Does getting laid justify unethical behavior? How far does this go...


Since I haven't gotten laid, and am waiting for marriage to do so, I'm not sure. The people I've seen on here and met in real life will seem to do almost anything. Why not just get a prostitute and get it over with?



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21 Jun 2012, 11:56 pm

Kinme wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
Dating is a strategy game, let's not beat around the bush. The only difference between players and honest people is the end goal.

A player wants to sleep with the girl or use her.

A honest guy wants a relationship.

Both play the game.

As we get older, there are fewer pretty well balanced single girls. Which means more guys hitting on them. You've got to have a strategy to get to the front of the line.


I admit. I just don't see the appeal of the contortion and manipulation. There's putting your best foot forward, and there's making a paper mache foot covering it in glitter and waving it around.

...there are also less attractive guys...people partner up and the less "issues" a person has, the easier it's likely to be for them to do so
the funny thing about monogamy (even serial monogamy) is that excluding those who aren't straight, for every woman you get's laid/married whatever, a man does too.

But if we're including young in pretty, than yes, as you age there is going to be less availability because there are only so many girls with that kind of daddy issue.

@bizboy:
cool, you can be an ass but it's alright because as long as you can hide it long enough to entrench her she may not outright leave

why have a relationship built on mutual trust and respect when you can have all that


General question - Does getting laid justify unethical behavior? How far does this go...


Since I haven't gotten laid, and am waiting for marriage to do so, I'm not sure. The people I've seen on here and met in real life will seem to do almost anything. Why not just get a prostitute and get it over with?


as I understand it, because that doesn't validate ego


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22 Jun 2012, 12:01 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Kinme wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
Dating is a strategy game, let's not beat around the bush. The only difference between players and honest people is the end goal.

A player wants to sleep with the girl or use her.

A honest guy wants a relationship.

Both play the game.

As we get older, there are fewer pretty well balanced single girls. Which means more guys hitting on them. You've got to have a strategy to get to the front of the line.


I admit. I just don't see the appeal of the contortion and manipulation. There's putting your best foot forward, and there's making a paper mache foot covering it in glitter and waving it around.

...there are also less attractive guys...people partner up and the less "issues" a person has, the easier it's likely to be for them to do so
the funny thing about monogamy (even serial monogamy) is that excluding those who aren't straight, for every woman you get's laid/married whatever, a man does too.

But if we're including young in pretty, than yes, as you age there is going to be less availability because there are only so many girls with that kind of daddy issue.

@bizboy:
cool, you can be an ass but it's alright because as long as you can hide it long enough to entrench her she may not outright leave

why have a relationship built on mutual trust and respect when you can have all that


General question - Does getting laid justify unethical behavior? How far does this go...


Since I haven't gotten laid, and am waiting for marriage to do so, I'm not sure. The people I've seen on here and met in real life will seem to do almost anything. Why not just get a prostitute and get it over with?


as I understand it, because that doesn't validate ego


:roll: What if the prostitute is very attractive? Isn't that all that matters? Or is this some kind of chase and win type thing?



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22 Jun 2012, 12:09 am

Kinme wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Kinme wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
Dating is a strategy game, let's not beat around the bush. The only difference between players and honest people is the end goal.

A player wants to sleep with the girl or use her.

A honest guy wants a relationship.

Both play the game.

As we get older, there are fewer pretty well balanced single girls. Which means more guys hitting on them. You've got to have a strategy to get to the front of the line.


I admit. I just don't see the appeal of the contortion and manipulation. There's putting your best foot forward, and there's making a paper mache foot covering it in glitter and waving it around.

...there are also less attractive guys...people partner up and the less "issues" a person has, the easier it's likely to be for them to do so
the funny thing about monogamy (even serial monogamy) is that excluding those who aren't straight, for every woman you get's laid/married whatever, a man does too.

But if we're including young in pretty, than yes, as you age there is going to be less availability because there are only so many girls with that kind of daddy issue.

@bizboy:
cool, you can be an ass but it's alright because as long as you can hide it long enough to entrench her she may not outright leave

why have a relationship built on mutual trust and respect when you can have all that


General question - Does getting laid justify unethical behavior? How far does this go...


Since I haven't gotten laid, and am waiting for marriage to do so, I'm not sure. The people I've seen on here and met in real life will seem to do almost anything. Why not just get a prostitute and get it over with?


as I understand it, because that doesn't validate ego


:roll: What if the prostitute is very attractive? Isn't that all that matters? Or is this some kind of chase and win type thing?


getting the 'hot' woman is about status, if you pay for it, you can't bag about it
yes it is a chase and win thing, it's also a 'peer validation' thing


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22 Jun 2012, 12:12 am

Kinme wrote:
:roll: What if the prostitute is very attractive? Isn't that all that matters? Or is this some kind of chase and win type thing?


Also... it's because the chase and win does have an end in sight. For me, as an example, I can 'function' through the process way better than through a deep relationship, where feelings and empathy are needed.

Also, I don't have to lie... just don't promisse anything.

As for the OP:
Instead of making up stories about not having had time because of career or making up past girls... let me ask you:

WHY didn't you have a realtionship, in your opinion?

Maybe the answer will provide a way :D



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22 Jun 2012, 12:13 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Kinme wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Kinme wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
Dating is a strategy game, let's not beat around the bush. The only difference between players and honest people is the end goal.

A player wants to sleep with the girl or use her.

A honest guy wants a relationship.

Both play the game.

As we get older, there are fewer pretty well balanced single girls. Which means more guys hitting on them. You've got to have a strategy to get to the front of the line.


I admit. I just don't see the appeal of the contortion and manipulation. There's putting your best foot forward, and there's making a paper mache foot covering it in glitter and waving it around.

...there are also less attractive guys...people partner up and the less "issues" a person has, the easier it's likely to be for them to do so
the funny thing about monogamy (even serial monogamy) is that excluding those who aren't straight, for every woman you get's laid/married whatever, a man does too.

But if we're including young in pretty, than yes, as you age there is going to be less availability because there are only so many girls with that kind of daddy issue.

@bizboy:
cool, you can be an ass but it's alright because as long as you can hide it long enough to entrench her she may not outright leave

why have a relationship built on mutual trust and respect when you can have all that


General question - Does getting laid justify unethical behavior? How far does this go...


Since I haven't gotten laid, and am waiting for marriage to do so, I'm not sure. The people I've seen on here and met in real life will seem to do almost anything. Why not just get a prostitute and get it over with?


as I understand it, because that doesn't validate ego


:roll: What if the prostitute is very attractive? Isn't that all that matters? Or is this some kind of chase and win type thing?


getting the 'hot' woman is about status, if you pay for it, you can't bag about it
yes it is a chase and win thing, it's also a 'peer validation' thing


I completely forgot about that. Is this the same for women? I'm really not sure.
Makes sense. Gotta keep up their image, after all.



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22 Jun 2012, 12:14 am

mike_br wrote:
Kinme wrote:
:roll: What if the prostitute is very attractive? Isn't that all that matters? Or is this some kind of chase and win type thing?


Also... it's because the chase and win does have an end in sight. For me, as an example, I can 'function' through the process way better than through a deep relationship, where feelings and empathy are needed.

Also, I don't have to lie... just don't promisse anything.

As for the OP:
Instead of making up stories about not having had time because of career or making up past girls... let me ask you:

WHY didn't you have a realtionship, in your opinion?

Maybe the answer will provide a way :D


That also makes sense. Thanks.



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Yes, I am meeting/ phoning/ skyping/ chatting with girls lately who were first contacted on okc, or them contacting me (most of them at least).

One of the first tings they're asking about is about ex-relationships (in the first chat or meetup!), and I have... none! When told there's none, they'd start asking why and how comes... leading the conversation to an awkward direction that it's too early to talk about and I really would like just to avoid it because of its negative connotations because let's face it, a 30 years old guy with no previous relationship is something extremely out of the norm, and anything too out of the norm is usually worrying/scary.

So how can I dodge these types of questions?

ps: the title is random.


I think it's much worse to deceive about having less sexual experience (or dating experience) then you have. (edit: meaning, pretending you've had less than you have.)

No one's going to feel violated by knowing that you've had less experience than you said.

Otherwise, maybe try to explain that you're waiting for the right person. Or you can explain that because you have AS you aren't as skilled socially as others, even though you truly care for others.

Another technique could be that you prefer not to kiss and tell--meaning that you prefer not to talk about older relationships, but if you haven't had any, then I can see why you would feel uncomfortable with this. Many people don't feel comfortable talking about older relationships though--so even if you said "I haven't found the right girl yet" as a vague answer, it could be accepted.

I'm sure that once someone gets to know you, they won't have a problem with your lack of dating history, unless you explicitly lie to them and then you've got a problem.