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Which do you prefer?
Latino (male) Lover 13%  13%  [ 1 ]
Gringo (male) Lover 13%  13%  [ 1 ]
Latina (female) Lover 50%  50%  [ 4 ]
Gringa (female) Lover 25%  25%  [ 2 ]
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03 Sep 2012, 1:45 pm

One thing: the Gringos say that they want a wife who is family oriented, while the Colombianas say they want a husband who is less likely to seek other ladies with whom to engage in coitus.

When a Latino family goes on a picnic, they typically bring along the grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. It is a very family-oriented culture.

Gringo families tend to be very dysfunctional. The teenagers don't want to be seen in public with their parents, and the parents eventually get frustrated of putting up with their teenagers. And, Gringa mother-in-laws can be very cold, nasty, possessive battle-axes. There is a reason why our culture specializes in mother-in-law jokes. The movie Monster-in-Law neatly summarizes what to expect in a Gringa mother-in-law.

While a Latina will expect her husband to be included in her family circle, she may be quite upset at the coldness of her Gringo in-laws.



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03 Sep 2012, 2:21 pm

Isn't Gringo kinda a racist term? I'm sure Latinos wouldn't want white people calling them the S word.



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03 Sep 2012, 2:36 pm

I had a longer answer, I hate when my browser crashes -_-

Rapist is a very strong word 8O. Sure, there are obnoxious and pushy people, but in average directness makes things more straightforward, and persistency pays off (in the case the girl does like the guy, but has some doubts).

I guess we are more family oriented :lol:. For example, sending one's grandparents off to a nursing home is almost unheard of, they are always taken care of, gladly, until their death. I remember my great-grandmothers ninetenth birthday, around 30+ family and extended family members from all over the country all in one place.


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03 Sep 2012, 2:41 pm

BigBossMSF wrote:
Isn't Gringo kinda a racist term? I'm sure Latinos wouldn't want white people calling them the S word.


Not really.



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03 Sep 2012, 2:45 pm

Tequila wrote:
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They certainly are much more direct and persistent than gringos, as a general rule.


So they're pretty much a race of rapists then? I thought "no means no" and all that? If a woman says "no", she'd better mean it because she won't get a second chance. Her fault if she acts the prat.


Unless you have a well-written pre-coital agreement, agreed-to by both parties, signed and notarized, then it could still count as rape, because it will still be your word against hers.



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03 Sep 2012, 3:19 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
So, on the thirteenth time, it's a "yes?" :)


No - the 13th time is still a no, just with an extremely pissed off Kjas. :lol:

ArrantPariah wrote:
Here is something that I don't quite understand

Some of these guys are going from California to Colombia to find a Latina lover. But, there are plenty of Latinas in California. What is preventing these guys from finding a Latina in California? Are Colombianas supposed to be better?

I know that, for the Colombian ladies, there is a wealth difference, and a chance to migrate to the USA. But, there must be some poverty-stricken Latinas in California who would also like to marry these guys for the money. Or, do the guys consider Latinas in California to be as spoiled as the Gringas?


Most of these guys could - however one of the prime considerations for these types of guys to begin with, is how westernized and Americanzed a girl is - otherwsie they wouldn't go to another country for women to begin with. A latina girl who grows up in California will be much, much more Americanized and westernized than one who grows up in Colombia.

If they bring them to America, then eventually they will become Americanized, but it would not be to the same extent as someone who grew up in America.

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They certainly are much more direct and persistent than gringos, as a general rule.


So they're pretty much a race of rapists then? I thought "no means no" and all that? If a woman says "no", she'd better mean it because she won't get a second chance. Her fault if she acts the prat.


It's funny that you say that when the rape rate here is ridiciously high, and over there it happens to be much lower.

The directness and persistence is a cultural trait that applies to much more than just this. They are just more upfront about it.
This means that we are required to be more firm, direct and persistent when telling them "no".

A latino will ask for my number and ask me on a date, or attempt to kiss me before the night is over. At least I know what the deal is.
A gringo will pretend to be friends for the next however long (9 months or whatever it is) and then randomly one day try to kiss you or more - when you had no idea it was even like that for them. It's hard to take someone seriously when they lie from the beginning - you can't trust them any longer.

And in the case of the above - it's pretty obvious in which case a rape is more likely to happen in..


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03 Sep 2012, 4:35 pm

Kjas wrote:
A gringo will pretend to be friends for the next however long (9 months or whatever it is) and then randomly one day try to kiss you or more - when you had no idea it was even like that for them. It's hard to take someone seriously when they lie from the beginning - you can't trust them any longer.
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Some people will blame that on the impact of feminism. Feminism may have had something to do with making Gringos more fearful. Or, maybe we would have been like that without feminism. I don't know.

But, it does look like Gringo versus Latino presents the ladies with a fairly clear choice: either they can be pawed over, or be with a man will be afraid to take action or to reveal his intentions. The Gringo wants coitus every bit as much as the Latino, but often ends up sulking.



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03 Sep 2012, 5:17 pm

Here are divorce rates by country:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_d ... vorce-rate

The USA, predictably, right on top, and way ahead of everyone else. On the bottom: Brazil.

There may be something to the stereotype that Latinas care more about their families.



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03 Sep 2012, 5:39 pm

On the other hand, sexual aggressiveness among Latinos may have contributed to comparatively high rates of bastardy.

http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002135.html

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According to the latest National Vital Statistics Reports of the federal government, 34 percent of all births in the United States now are to unmarried mothers. Of course, it will surprise no one that nearly all births to girls below 15, and 80 percent of those to girls between 15 and 19, are out-of-wedlock. But even among women between 20 and 24, 52 percent of births are now illegitimate.

Those figures are for all races and ethnicities. As the federal report notes, however, in a decided understatement: “Birth rates for unmarried women vary widely by race and Hispanic origin.” Among African Americans, 68.2 percent of births are illegitimate, versus 23.0 percent for non-Hispanic whites. For American Indians, 59.7 percent of births are illegitimate; for Asians and Pacific Islanders, 14.9 percent; and for Hispanics of all races, 43.5 percent.

Of course, “Asians and Pacific Islanders” and “Hispanics” are artificial categories, and this is reflected in the wide range of illegitimacy rates among their respective subgroups. Thus, only 9.0 and 10.3 percent of Chinese and Japanese births, respectively, are out-of-wedlock, versus 20.0 percent for Filipinos and 50.4 percent for Hawaiians; and the percentage of illegitimate births for Puerto Ricans (59.1) is double that of Cubans (29.8), with Mexicans (42.1) and Central and South Americans (44.8) falling in between.



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03 Sep 2012, 6:09 pm

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Whereas, in the USA, men in your situation tend to feel embittered towards women. In Brazil, it would be difficult to blame the women for that.


I do not like to blame my faults on other people anyway.

But it really sucks. A lot. It would not be so bad if I knew exactly what is wrong with me, but it looks like the "wrongness" is not something that can be isolated and eliminated.

but I am whining. I should stop doing that. Sorry.


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03 Sep 2012, 6:12 pm

Magnus_Rex wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Whereas, in the USA, men in your situation tend to feel embittered towards women. In Brazil, it would be difficult to blame the women for that.


I do not like to blame my faults on other people anyway.

But it really sucks. A lot. It would not be so bad if I knew exactly what is wrong with me, but it looks like the "wrongness" is not something that can be isolated and eliminated.

but I am whining. I should stop doing that. Sorry.


No, go ahead. We are supposed to be supportive here. :D



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03 Sep 2012, 6:40 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
BigBossMSF wrote:
Isn't Gringo kinda a racist term? I'm sure Latinos wouldn't want white people calling them the S word.


Not really.


I think it kinda is, its a slang segregation term, rude imo.



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03 Sep 2012, 8:02 pm

BigBossMSF wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
BigBossMSF wrote:
Isn't Gringo kinda a racist term? I'm sure Latinos wouldn't want white people calling them the S word.


Not really.


I think it kinda is, its a slang segregation term, rude imo.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo

The word goes back more than 3 centuries, and carries no negative connotation in Spanish.

It is also easier than typing out "Non-Hispanic White Anglophone North American."



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03 Sep 2012, 8:23 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
It is also easier than typing out "Non-Hispanic White Anglophone North American."


AKA Nohiswana.

I FOUND A WORD THAT CANNOT BE GOOGLED!! It probably will after I post this, though. No mere mortal shall resist the terror of the Google.


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03 Sep 2012, 9:05 pm

One apparent disadvantage to the Latino Lover

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMfnRorLCNg[/youtube]

is the large number of illegitimate children, abandoned by their fathers.

I gather than many guys see it as a badge of honour to have fathered some bastard children.



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03 Sep 2012, 10:08 pm

BigBossMSF wrote:
Isn't Gringo kinda a racist term? I'm sure Latinos wouldn't want white people calling them the S word.


Spick? I actually had to look up just what name you meant there as I couldn't remember. :)

As for "gringo": the Wikipedia entry on ethnic slurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs] claims that:

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Gringo is a slang Spanish and Portuguese word used in Ibero-America, to denote foreigners, often from the United States. The term can be applied to someone who is actually a foreigner, or it can denote a strong association or assimilation into foreign (particularly US) society and culture. While in Spanish it simply identifies a foreigner, without any negative connotation, in English the word is often considered offensive or disparaging.


So there you have it. ;)

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Unless you have a well-written pre-coital agreement, agreed-to by both parties, signed and notarized, then it could still count as rape, because it will still be your word against hers.


That wouldn't count because women can revoke their consent at any time. It's illegal to draw up contracts like that I believe, and the woman could simply say that she was forced to sign it.

The only half-decent way I could think of that would remedy it would be to actually film yourselves having sex, both video and audio. You'd run into claims of breach of privacy though if she didn't know about it, and how many women are going to agree to be filmed by some random man they don't know? It would also look rather creepy to anyone else to even think of filming it in the first place? I remember reading a story about a woman (in Britain) who claimed she was gang-raped but, unfortunately for her, she was shown to be just a bit drunk and enthusiastically participating. I would say that women are far more likely than men to be raped (and far less likely to get a conviction, though that depends both on the crime and the circumstances) but they're also more likely to be believed and not mocked like men are.

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This means that we are required to be more firm, direct and persistent when telling them "no".


Or they'll rape you. Sounds like a charming system.

Point taken about some rejected men though.