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11 Oct 2012, 1:11 pm

It's true... when your life is in shambles, it's very hard to attract someone. Really - would YOU date someone who's a hot mess? Do you want to carry someone else's heavy burden? Serious baggage doesn't make a very attractive package...

I've got problems of my own and don't have all the answers yet, but having a positive mindset goes a long, long way.

The only suggestion I have is: CLEAN! When you're depressed, you just don't want to and your world gets messy. There's something about forcing yourself to do it anyway and when you look at the nice room afterwards, you just feel.... good! Being in that room while it's still clean feels better. Cleaning your house ends up helping clean up your life!

Just be sure to break it into small jobs... you don't have to clean the whole kitchen, just set yourself to do *A* job - one load of dishes, one load of laundry, etc. When you accomplish the task, you get an "aaahhhhhh" feeling from it. Savour that. ;)



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11 Oct 2012, 1:28 pm

Cleaning works for sure. When my apartment was a mess so was I. It was a reflection of how I felt or if it wasn't it would soon influence me. If you don't have a place of your own just clean your personal space or keep on top of your personal hygiene.



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11 Oct 2012, 4:06 pm

As far as bombs not working, it's two things, one is the cats, which we've tried medicine for, next is washing, but it's hard and last time me and a friend seriously tried to wash the cats, my family all freaked out and said because the cats were unhappy with being washed, it was "mean." By my family, I mean my mother and 2 sisters. I probably will "just do it" again soon, as the medicine doesn't seem to do jack s**t, but yeah. As far as the bombs itself, one thing interesting about bombs, and I've seen this (in my garage, coincidentally, where we had no cats for a long time after bombing) the fleas over generations grow to adapt to the chemicals in the bombs, and get basically immune to them. It's pretty wild stuff. Also, another issue was just in general a lot of fleas in the area outdoors, now the flea problem is a lot better just since it got colder out, but what happened last year was it didn't get all too cold during the winter, so more fleas survived for the summer. So not even my house per se, but my lawn had fleas on it, too, even without my cats being on it (though there are a bunch of stray cats in my ghetto neighborhood.)

As far as the exterminator, I've brought my mother to tears suggesting it, saying how bad fleas are. She would just say I'm overreacting, it's not that bad, etc, then finally when I showed her how it is that bad (ie, showing the wikipedia article on pulicosis) she'd just start crying and being like "I DO WHAT I CAN...!" And it literally took a week or two to even get my family out of the house for 4 hours just so I could apply bombs to the whole house. They just don't care. In my case, I cleaned my room spotless, and applied boric acid and diatemaceous earth to the carpet, and had my room basically spotless and quarantined, but it got fleas regardless because the rest of the family doesn't care. My sister with the boyfriend's solution is just to never be home ever and just always be out with her boyfriend. To be fair to my mom, she has fibromyalgia, and is disabled, but it's still just a huge pain.

Maybe bringing up the fleas was a bad idea, as it's created a bit of a shitstorm in this thread with people calling me an animal abuser and stuff like that, but yeah.

To sorta get back on topic, I know how to fix the problems exactly, it's just resources. I've had much less energy since the fleas have been in my house, and nutritionally I've been a bit "bleh" again, due to my mother. So I have a hard time, circumstances aside, doing things I LIKE doing, like say, ice skating, or lifting weights, nevermind things I don't like doing. I can and will fix the problems myself eventually, but it takes effort and time. The point of this thread isn't to ask "How can I fix all my problems?" I know damned well how to fix them all, and maybe knowing is half the battle, but it's only half. The point of this thread is to ask, should I wait for the problems to pass, or just go anyway? It seems for every other pursuit in my life, I just say "well, who cares I don't have _____, I'm gonna just go at it anyway because I want to, yeah!" And usually it works, sometimes it doesn't, though.

But dating I'm just super cautious. As far as being a "hot mess" that's unfortunately exactly what I am. My problems aren't from my appearance or possibly even my personality really (though the NVLD/Aspergers can make me a 'tard sometimes,) it's just... I'm a mess. But at the same time, there's loads of other people that are in even bigger messes than I am in relationships, and that's where I wonder if it'd be wise or not, or if being in a relationship would make me happier and better able to solve my "messes." And regarding the mess even more, maybe if a girl takes me "as I am" so to speak, it'd be better than taking me when I have a working MKII Supra with a turbo, a clean room with a LCD TV, being confident in myself and comfortable mentally, having a good job, and being single digit bodyfat and having visible abs. Remember in marriage vows, it does say "in sickness and in health" so who knows, maybe it isn't as idiotic as I think to try looking for a girl while I'm "sick" maybe even despite the inevitable failures, as chances are, I'll be "sick" in one way or another in my life anyway, so if she can't handle it now, while there's ups and downs, how will she handle harder things life throws? But at the same time, men aren't supposed to be "sick" you don't hear many stories of women, you know, "rescuing" men, if that makes sense, but you hear the inverse all the time. That's where I feel ashamed, you know? It's supposed to be the reverse, right?



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11 Oct 2012, 5:28 pm

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I know how to fix the problems exactly, it's just resources. I've had much less energy since the fleas have been in my house, and nutritionally I've been a bit "bleh" again, due to my mother. So I have a hard time, circumstances aside, doing things I LIKE doing, like say, ice skating, or lifting weights, nevermind things I don't like doing. I can and will fix the problems myself eventually, but it takes effort and time. The point of this thread isn't to ask "How can I fix all my problems?" I know damned well how to fix them all, and maybe knowing is half the battle, but it's only half. The point of this thread is to ask, should I wait for the problems to pass, or just go anyway? It seems for every other pursuit in my life, I just say "well, who cares I don't have _____, I'm gonna just go at it anyway because I want to, yeah!" And usually it works, sometimes it doesn't, though.


No you shouldn't just 'wait for the problems to pass'. You say you know how to fix all your problems, then just do it.

Instead of telling yourself "well, who cares I don't have _____, I'm gonna just go at it anyway because I want to, yeah!",
tell yourself "I'm gonna fix all my problems because I have to, yeah!"

If I were you I would make every effort to find a job and save enough money to get my own place. ONLY THEN I would consider getting a girlfriend.

As for fleas, it seems like you have tried everything but believe or not, vacuuming throughly everyday might help too, if you haven't tried that yet.
Also use Frontline to the cats, not the cheap stuff.



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11 Oct 2012, 5:52 pm

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I know how to fix the problems exactly, it's just resources. I've had much less energy since the fleas have been in my house, and nutritionally I've been a bit "bleh" again, due to my mother. So I have a hard time, circumstances aside, doing things I LIKE doing, like say, ice skating, or lifting weights, nevermind things I don't like doing. I can and will fix the problems myself eventually, but it takes effort and time. The point of this thread isn't to ask "How can I fix all my problems?" I know damned well how to fix them all, and maybe knowing is half the battle, but it's only half. The point of this thread is to ask, should I wait for the problems to pass, or just go anyway? It seems for every other pursuit in my life, I just say "well, who cares I don't have _____, I'm gonna just go at it anyway because I want to, yeah!" And usually it works, sometimes it doesn't, though.


No you shouldn't just 'wait for the problems to pass'. You say you know how to fix all your problems, then just do it.

Instead of telling yourself "well, who cares I don't have _____, I'm gonna just go at it anyway because I want to, yeah!",
tell yourself "I'm gonna fix all my problems because I have to, yeah!"

If I were you I would make every effort to find a job and save enough money to get my own place. ONLY THEN I would consider getting a girlfriend.

As for fleas, it seems like you have tried everything but believe or not, vacuuming throughly everyday might help too, if you haven't tried that yet.
Also use Frontline to the cats, not the cheap stuff.


First off, I don't mean passively wait for the problems to pass, what I mean is during the time it takes for the problems to pass, either if they pass of their own accord or by me making them pass with my own efforts or other people helping me.

The fundamental problem of my life is I know how to do everything ever, but can't do it. There's a gap in my intelligence, I have a 130+ verbal IQ, then an 80 nonverbal IQ. For example, I can spout off an entire car manual figuratively word for word, on how to repair, say, the brakes, then when I go to actually work on the car, I end up like, stripping a bolt turning it the wrong way, something not in the manual.

Also my mom uses Frontline and it pretty much does nothing. I've vacuumed my room daily before, but most of my house is oddly enough uncarpetted. Again, the fleas are getting better just due to seasons changing, and I just went out and bought some pesticide to apply to things directly, 2 gallons worth to be exact. (I'm figuring the fleas are immune to permethin, so I bought deltamethrin, so as you can see, I can think things out quite well, right down to exact chemicals I'm putting on things.)

Again, I'm not asking for advice on how to fix my problems in this thread, and I wish people would stop giving it. That is NOT the point of this thread. If people would like to donate money to fix my problems, then PM me and I'll give you my paypal email, but I did not make this thread asking for advice on how to fix the problems, that's an independent issue. I was asking for advice on if I should go into a relationship with problems on my plate, and I would like the topic to stay to that.



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11 Oct 2012, 7:45 pm

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I know how to fix the problems exactly, it's just resources. I've had much less energy since the fleas have been in my house, and nutritionally I've been a bit "bleh" again, due to my mother. So I have a hard time, circumstances aside, doing things I LIKE doing, like say, ice skating, or lifting weights, nevermind things I don't like doing. I can and will fix the problems myself eventually, but it takes effort and time. The point of this thread isn't to ask "How can I fix all my problems?" I know damned well how to fix them all, and maybe knowing is half the battle, but it's only half. The point of this thread is to ask, should I wait for the problems to pass, or just go anyway? It seems for every other pursuit in my life, I just say "well, who cares I don't have _____, I'm gonna just go at it anyway because I want to, yeah!" And usually it works, sometimes it doesn't, though.


No you shouldn't just 'wait for the problems to pass'. You say you know how to fix all your problems, then just do it.

Instead of telling yourself "well, who cares I don't have _____, I'm gonna just go at it anyway because I want to, yeah!",
tell yourself "I'm gonna fix all my problems because I have to, yeah!"

If I were you I would make every effort to find a job and save enough money to get my own place. ONLY THEN I would consider getting a girlfriend.

As for fleas, it seems like you have tried everything but believe or not, vacuuming throughly everyday might help too, if you haven't tried that yet.
Also use Frontline to the cats, not the cheap stuff.


First off, I don't mean passively wait for the problems to pass, what I mean is during the time it takes for the problems to pass, either if they pass of their own accord or by me making them pass with my own efforts or other people helping me.

The fundamental problem of my life is I know how to do everything ever, but can't do it. There's a gap in my intelligence, I have a 130+ verbal IQ, then an 80 nonverbal IQ. For example, I can spout off an entire car manual figuratively word for word, on how to repair, say, the brakes, then when I go to actually work on the car, I end up like, stripping a bolt turning it the wrong way, something not in the manual.

Also my mom uses Frontline and it pretty much does nothing. I've vacuumed my room daily before, but most of my house is oddly enough uncarpetted. Again, the fleas are getting better just due to seasons changing, and I just went out and bought some pesticide to apply to things directly, 2 gallons worth to be exact. (I'm figuring the fleas are immune to permethin, so I bought deltamethrin, so as you can see, I can think things out quite well, right down to exact chemicals I'm putting on things.)

Again, I'm not asking for advice on how to fix my problems in this thread, and I wish people would stop giving it. That is NOT the point of this thread. If people would like to donate money to fix my problems, then PM me and I'll give you my paypal email, but I did not make this thread asking for advice on how to fix the problems, that's an independent issue. I was asking for advice on if I should go into a relationship with problems on my plate, and I would like the topic to stay to that.
dude this is the same with me. my verbal iq is around 130 and nonverbal is prob 80-90. I aced all my written chemistry tests but I had to have my partners do the whole entire labs for me. I suck at reading graphs..and my sense of direction is s**t. I get overwhelmed with things such as brushing my teeth or cleaning my room, yet ironically I graduated college with barely any effort and got a 3.7 gpa


When I say brushing my teeth and showering overwhelms me i mean that actually starting it overwhelms me but once I start brushing my teeth I will take 5 min lol and a shower takes me 30-45 bc I also involved in doing it well..and I bu the best soaps and toothbrushes.


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11 Oct 2012, 8:05 pm

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I was asking for advice on if I should go into a relationship with problems on my plate, and I would like the topic to stay to that.


My answer is still 'No'. It's best if you do not go into a relationship with problems on your plate.
It seems to me though, you just want to hear otherwise.

And good luck with the flea infestation. It sounds incredibly frustrating.



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11 Oct 2012, 8:14 pm

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I was asking for advice on if I should go into a relationship with problems on my plate, and I would like the topic to stay to that.


My answer is still 'No'. It's best if you do not go into a relationship with problems on your plate.
It seems to me though, you just want to hear otherwise.

And good luck with the flea infestation. It sounds incredibly frustrating.


I do wish to hear otherwise, partially because, well, I do, but partially because I've not debated the "pro" side very much in my head.

And I mixed the deltamethrin wrong, mixed it way too strong. Started having my fingers tingle and stuff.



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11 Oct 2012, 8:24 pm

You have a house and a car and pets? If so you must be making a living somehow which does indicate at least basic stability. I mean no one is perfect so thinking you have to be perfect before you can consider having a relationship. Maybe you're being a bit too hard on yourself with all those insecurities.

I mean I don't want to dis-validate your problems but many of us don't even have a house or a car and have much more wrecks of lives than what you described, so yeah it seems more like insecurity and self consciousness than actual unworthiness for relationships.

That's just my opinion though, I don't know your whole situation or things you've been through. I personally feel like things are too much of a mess with me for dating as well though and that it would make it difficult for me to do my part in being in a relationship but these things can be pretty complex so it varies for people.


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11 Oct 2012, 8:31 pm

Oh, I don't have a job, it's my mother's house and I can drive my mother's car. I did have 2 jobs for a short time a long time ago, and my mother bought me a car from my backed SSI benefits for her SSI (she applied for SSI benefits, got a lump sum, and because the SSI benefits were to my name, they were technically mine, long long thing) a few years ago, but my car died and then I've been only driving her cars for a while. Managed to get a license, too, just barely, but my NVLD makes driving hard if I've not done the route a few times and got it memorized, terrible navigation skills and terrible like, quick thinking skills, if that makes sense.



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Oh, I don't have a job, it's my mother's house and I can drive my mother's car. I did have 2 jobs for a short time a long time ago, and my mother bought me a car from my backed SSI benefits for her SSI (she applied for SSI benefits, got a lump sum, and because the SSI benefits were to my name, they were technically mine, long long thing) a few years ago, but my car died and then I've been only driving her cars for a while. Managed to get a license, too, just barely, but my NVLD makes driving hard if I've not done the route a few times and got it memorized, terrible navigation skills and terrible like, quick thinking skills, if that makes sense.


Ah I see, even so though I don't think you should avoid dating if you feel you want to or if someone is interested on account of those things. Unless they have a problem with it. Do you have any income at all? though I certainly don't base how I feel about someone on what they have I can see how that could be an issue in relationships since with dating its good to have money to go out and do things or have the possibility of getting a place and moving out. But I guess it also depends on who you'd be interested in and what they'd want out of a relationship.

I mean even if I get to functioning better and feel I could have a relationship I doubt I am going to seek out upper middle class or above guys with their lives together since I would better connect to people in a more simular financial situation(maybe not in all cases) and well someone without mental health issues or struggles like that probably would not be intrested in someone like me as that would threaten their stability but I don't really know crap about any of this.


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12 Oct 2012, 6:07 am

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs :)

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12 Oct 2012, 8:09 am

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I feel this is my biggest barrier to dating. My house is full of fleas. It smells bad from my cats. The car I drive is cluttered to all hell and beat up looking. My room is a mess like it normally is. I've got no job, I'm not in school. I found out much to my dismay I actually do have NVLD/Aspergers, and there is mental things wrong with me afterall, though not what the psychs initially told me. Let's see, I currently wake up at like noon or later, too.

My life is literally and figuratively a complete mess. And my thought process is, why should I bring a girl into my mess of a life? I denied myself to one girl I really liked, and she married someone else and I felt bad about it, but my logical thought process during this time was basically this. My life is too screwed up to allow a romantic relationship. And so, in my dealings with females, despite my normal NVLD/Aspergers dumbness I have with everyone (which I guess to some people is charming in a strange way) I sorta purposely set myself up to like, not get into romantic relationships for the reason of me not being like, perfect yet. I don't know really. I don't like the idea of like, hmm, how do I put this....being a loser boyfriend? A girl bringing me home to her parents and "So what do you do..." "uh....well, I....." Things like that. Like I can't see it like, logical, for a girl to like me. I can't think of really anything positive I'd add to the girl's life, and I'd feel like a leech, if you would. Maybe this is my like, old fashioned imagery of a man being a "provider" so to speak for the woman, too.

Logically, in my mind, I say "now isn't a good time for a girlfriend, fix things up and go back to it" but then in the rest of my life, I start things completely at "wrong" times. For example, I decided I was going to learn figure skating just through sheer brute force and effort, without a coach, etc, just all by myself. It's a pretty asinine thing to do, but somehow my "faith" in it made it work somewhat. Same with lots of things. At the same time, I've had lots of failures and slow progress due to not having, well, proper equipment and things "in order." But if I wait for a good time, there could never be a good time? I've been waiting for a good time since middle school, really, and the times seem to only get worse for the most part.

Maybe this is an error in perceptions on my part, too. Like, perfectionism. Like I can't consider myself a "good" figure skater, or a "good" weightlifter or a "good" mechanic, simply because I'm not at a high level in either of them. Compared to an average person, I'm better, but compared to like, a "professional" at them, I'm bad. But I compare myself to the "professionals." Instead of saying "Wow, you can do 3 turns and waltz jumps figure skating" I think "Why can't you do an axel yet? Why can't you spin, you have bad left backward crossovers." People even compliment me on these things, and I'm sorta confused, as I don't see myself as "good" at them, and see every error I make. In things like cars, many times I can pull off repairing other people's cars, but my own stay in my garage broken. But people still hire me as a mechanic? Why? And it makes me so mad when things aren't, well, some people would say this is perfectionism, but...when things aren't as they should. I did some brakes, bled them like 3 times, still a sort of soft pedal at the end. The guy's wife said she didn't like the brakes, he said they were fine for him. For me, I would have literally stayed up til midnight or 1am bleeding brakes until they felt perfect to me. I feel like this is the only way to succeed in life, to be endlessly self critical, because if you're not, you're just basically being lazy.

Like, I'm around a fair amount of girls, due to my hobbies, but I don't allow myself to get close to any of them, due to my insecurities, which I perceive as being, well, logical insecurities. The problem is less a matter of all girls hating me or whatever, and more just me not feeling like I should even be in a relationship at all because of all my problems. Does anyone else deal with anything like this?


There's never going to be a "right" time. Life will always have problems and challenges. Those aren't going away. And we all have our ups and downs. Find someone who's willing to accept that and not expect some kind of fairytale life.



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12 Oct 2012, 10:03 am

JanuaryMan wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs :)

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I am certain that I have the first, second and fifth tiers. How did I manage to skip love and esteem?

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12 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm

Sex is at the bottom of the pyramid?



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12 Oct 2012, 12:17 pm

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Sex is at the bottom of the pyramid?


The bottom shows the fundamental things; the "base" of everything. Excluding sex, I have everything on the first, second and fifth levels. Which means I skipped levels and forgot one collectible on the first level.


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