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Stargazer43
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06 Oct 2013, 12:20 am

No offense, but if she dated 16 other guys for no reason other than drugs and a place to live, I wouldn't take her word for much. Even though she said that you were different, are you sure that you believe her?



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06 Oct 2013, 12:24 am

well she did say that she'd rather be homeless than have me thinking shes using me.. but im not willing to test that theory. one might argue that if i was included in that statement she wouldnt have said it at all.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:09 am

What I have read about her:
Aspergers, 16 ex-boyfriends. History of drugs, abuse, promiscuity, cheats on you, admits it and then denies it later.
I would believe she has no confidence to build on a relationship (none whatsoever). This much is obvious right now. However, she may not want to lose you, but may not have much of a choice depending on the decision you come up with for yourself.

What I have read about you:
you're clearly frustrated and not sure what to do about it (it seems you have have an idea what you want to do after some replies.)

Calling it off will definitely not be pretty. If you do that, maybe indicate how her behaviour has made you feel.
As for her, she most likely needs to find the help she needs without your help. I have had my personal issues and had to figure them out on my own time. Where friends help is in understanding you.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:38 am

@aspiemike: You! Stop being right, lolz.

He does have ONE option. He can take a stab at bringing order to her.

His logic is sound. Its a little rough though. It does incorporate feelings, which is actually positive since he has both sides of the feelings here (him/her) balanced.

But between her 'relationship history', substance abuse, etc etc, there's too much hardcore serious junk to wade into. Its like replacing a soccerball with a fruitfly.

The thing he finds unacceptable is deeply wired, most likely. Its probably a symptom of her whole life.

With this in mind, the question becomes: Do you like her?


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06 Oct 2013, 1:48 am

LeLetch wrote:

With this in mind, the question becomes: Do you like her?


I have had to deal with this question before as well. Everyone does. This usually ends up being a big factor in whether to keep lines of communication open as well for when decisions need to be made.



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06 Oct 2013, 2:05 am

aspiemike wrote:
LeLetch wrote:

With this in mind, the question becomes: Do you like her?


I have had to deal with this question before as well. Everyone does. This usually ends up being a big factor in whether to keep lines of communication open as well for when decisions need to be made.


I had to learn this one the hard way. I prefer to crash and burn a relationship like a mature adult, now anyway. I get why everyone avoids their ex's now too.


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06 Oct 2013, 2:16 am

Since I've been lurking the forums and IRC, and came across this and could (completely, utterly, and absolutely) relate, unfortunately, I figured I'd offer some advice.

Since I have both done this (2-3 years ago) and had this done to me (Going thru a divorce now thanks to being desperate and Karma.) my advice is to LEAVE. GET AWAY. CRASH IT AND BURN IT. etc...Simply because when I was doing this to someone else, it was a thrill, a joy, I felt alive and vibrant, top of my game. Of course she's going to lie about it, I lied about it when I was doing it. I believe she told the truth once before because she has remorse, which I had, but that can quickly and efficiently be squished like a bug, and she (And me) can (And will) go right back to lying all over again, just to get out of the situation putting us in a bind, just to keep a stable...attachment.

Now since I put a paragraph about doing it, I shall put a paragraph about receiving it.

If you know she's cheating, leave her. I do have AS so I don't know if all this will apply to you, be warned. The pain will build the longer you stay with her, and if you leave her, chances are she'll go right to other men and then right back to you all over again if you allow it. She will simply twist and manipulate you as she sees fit, and bend the truth to her advantage, or outright lie. I rather do not wish to see someone else go through what I've been through, you're headed off a cliff with this one, and at the bottom is a Lot of suffering, trust me. Leave her is my advice, I don't care how much you love her, ask yourself one question, will you ever trust her again?



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06 Oct 2013, 2:56 am

Is she still addicted to drugs?
Could it be that she cheats in order to gain access to more drugs?
I wonder if the reason that she's denying cheating is because she is scared that you will break up with her. You could be the guy she trusts to go back to after each drug binge. Her lifestyle doesn't sound particualry safe - drugs, homelessness, sleeping around.
Either way, I don't want you to be used by her, but if she is a drug addict then she deserves help, even if you have to break up with her.
I hope you'll excuse me if I'm being naive. A lot of other people have give better advice, but you did ask for reasons why for her behaviour...and I could be completly wrong.


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06 Oct 2013, 3:08 am

^ ! !!

No kidding. Check on her sources of cash in relation to her addiction. Wait... maybe don't check. There comes a point... *sigh* *waves hand at the rest of the compounded problems*

Ashtrees could be very right. Drugs costs big money. Wait. Sh**. That explains one of my ex's. Oops. Well, it was a long time ago. :P


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06 Oct 2013, 7:54 am

Rollins wrote:
well she did say that she'd rather be homeless than have me thinking shes using me.. but im not willing to test that theory. one might argue that if i was included in that statement she wouldnt have said it at all.


Why would anything she says carry value? Particularly when the intent of the statement is to influence your opinion?

Wait, she's living with you? At present? It takes a month to evict someone if you have to do it forcefully. You had better get started.



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06 Oct 2013, 8:00 am

Rollins wrote:
i dont want to loose her.. we've both been through a lot together and i know she can be so much more real. if no one can help me to understand why shes doing it then dont even bother posting..


You've already lost her. Unless you are worried no one else will go out with you but her, I don't understand why you are seeking to repair this relationship rather than end it.
If you really need a reason (even though none is required) she is likely cheating on you because of your depression and self esteem. Just be the one to dump her, don't put up with what she has done or is doing.
It will be best for both of you.

Edit: And yes, as with most addicts they'll sleep with other people and do whatever they want if it means they get free drugs.



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06 Oct 2013, 8:01 am

Woah, woah, woah!

If she's that utterly blatant and careless about it and that extremely disrespectful of your feelings...

DUMP THE DISGUSTING WOMAN!

Don't do it tomorrow, don't do it after lunch, do it now. And never ever speak to her again.



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06 Oct 2013, 8:04 am

Rollins wrote:
thanks for all the feedback. depressing, yet helpful in terms of comprehending why she acts as she does.


Would you be so understanding to any other woman?

If I were in your shoes, I would have dumped her long, long ago.



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06 Oct 2013, 8:12 am

I don't understand why people are saying she's disgusting.
She's a person and you barely know a thing about her.
Rollins did say not to bother posting if you won't try and help figure her behaviour out. Obviously, he will have thought about dumping her.
For everything we do, good, bad, hurtful, shameful, etc, there is a reason. And if those reasons are complicated then we need to be smarter in thinking things through. And I know that some of you are very smart.
We all know what it's liked to be judged unfairly, and nobody knows this girl in person except the OP. But, we do know that there's a human being inside.

So, why do people take drugs?
Why do people cheat and lie about it?

We can only give general advice.


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06 Oct 2013, 8:14 am

AshTrees wrote:
I don't understand why people are saying she's disgusting.


It's morally disgusting behaviour.

AshTrees wrote:
For everything we do, good, bad, hurtful, shameful, etc, there is a reason.


It's not the job of a boyfriend to be her bloody social worker. If she does repellent things to him, what is going on in her life is no excuse. She has the choice not to cheat, to abuse his trust, to hurt him.



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06 Oct 2013, 8:17 am

AshTrees wrote:
I don't understand why people are saying she's disgusting.
She's a person and you barely know a thing about her.
Rollins did say not to bother posting if you won't try and help figure her behaviour out. Obviously, he will have thought about dumping her.
For everything we do, good, bad, hurtful, shameful, etc, there is a reason. And if those reasons are complicated then we need to be smarter in thinking things through. And I know that some of you are very smart.
We all know what it's liked to be judged unfairly, and nobody knows this girl in person except the OP. But, we do know that there's a human being inside.

So, why do people take drugs?
Why do people cheat and lie about it?

We can only give general advice.


There is a "human being inside" as you put it, and she is a bad one.; a terrible one in fact. Unless the OP is not saying all the facts, like if he cheated first, or something like that, then she is terrible and he should have dumped her ages ago.