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09 Oct 2013, 7:24 pm

Ok lost, you're contorting too much stuff, again. My opinion now is that you simply troll and it is pointless to "bite".


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09 Oct 2013, 7:25 pm

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I've been the "nice guy" before. And I've learned from my mistakes, also with a combination of therapy and medication on how to change my behavior towards women so they feel like I respect them. I have gotten results with attractive women.


Instead of pretending to respect women, how about actually respecting women?


I do respect women.

Nice guys say they respect women too. It's all about how the woman feels though.



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09 Oct 2013, 7:27 pm

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Ok lost, you're contorting too much stuff, again. My opinion now is that you simply troll and it is pointless to "bite".


I'm trolling?

Ok.

I tryed to make my points.

I didn't contort anything.



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09 Oct 2013, 7:47 pm

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First off they have no proof, all of it is naive belief in pop culture as fact, and not many woman date a***holes to be treated 'normal'.
Your right, I can answer it myself, but that would leave no other room for the other sides argument to actually answer without starting an argument like lost and geekonychus have already started in the other thread, and the one between lost and whoamI on here.


So why are you so concerned with this topic enough to create a thread on it? You are obviously envious that you aren't successful and that these jerks are.

Do you have success in the dating world?

I can't name her, and asking around about her wouldn't be the manly thing to do if it wasn't on pm's only, but with her, she wasn't perfect, but she felt that way to me, and what happened next was the opposite problem of a forever aloner, the too fast kind of thing to put a name to it. I have no problem in this area, I just have a big distaste for this downing the nice guy into oblivion thing. I never had to stop being nice for my first, and telling a guy only bad boys win, is the kind of thing that stays in pop fiction. People like you who changed your attitude towards women and are successful because of it, shouldn't be telling us what to do. I never changed, but the girl in question was a hottie because I was attracted to her. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not the bully you had in middle school.
We had to stop because it wouldn't work. It tore me up inside, and filled me with a guilt and broken heart.
I always say I'm not experienced, because I'm not! It just had an opposite effect!
Most men never get this, and me having had this is in no means a badge of authority, but it makes me angry in that people are just up and giving up being nice, and not smashing this fake just to get sex crap most of these 'jerk' people are coming up with.


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09 Oct 2013, 8:05 pm

Enter STYX!! !
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FIOjLwwj-U[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy24g3PSnO4[/youtube]


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09 Oct 2013, 10:45 pm

appletheclown wrote:
lost561 wrote:
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First off they have no proof, all of it is naive belief in pop culture as fact, and not many woman date a***holes to be treated 'normal'.
Your right, I can answer it myself, but that would leave no other room for the other sides argument to actually answer without starting an argument like lost and geekonychus have already started in the other thread, and the one between lost and whoamI on here.


So why are you so concerned with this topic enough to create a thread on it? You are obviously envious that you aren't successful and that these jerks are.

Do you have success in the dating world?

I can't name her, and asking around about her wouldn't be the manly thing to do if it wasn't on pm's only, but with her, she wasn't perfect, but she felt that way to me, and what happened next was the opposite problem of a forever aloner, the too fast kind of thing to put a name to it. I have no problem in this area, I just have a big distaste for this downing the nice guy into oblivion thing. I never had to stop being nice for my first, and telling a guy only bad boys win, is the kind of thing that stays in pop fiction. People like you who changed your attitude towards women and are successful because of it, shouldn't be telling us what to do. I never changed, but the girl in question was a hottie because I was attracted to her. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not the bully you had in middle school.
We had to stop because it wouldn't work. It tore me up inside, and filled me with a guilt and broken heart.
I always say I'm not experienced, because I'm not! It just had an opposite effect!
Most men never get this, and me having had this is in no means a badge of authority, but it makes me angry in that people are just up and giving up being nice, and not smashing this fake just to get sex crap most of these 'jerk' people are coming up with.

Apple. There's a difference between being a "nice guy" and a "Nice Guy(TM)." Read this blog if you have the time:
http://wtfniceguys.tumblr.com/
If the stuff on here doesn't fit you, I'm not talking about you. If it does then you have a jumping off point on how to improve yourself. I had a few Nice Guy(TM) tendencies back in the day. As soon I started working past them, interested girls started coming out of the woodwork. It can happen for you too. I know it can..........



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09 Oct 2013, 11:25 pm

Lost has a few ideas that are somewhat right. However, my experience has seen to show me this.

-The impact of what you say or do matters far more to any women I have met compared to the underlying intention. With that being said, if you can't express yourself or your intentions in a way that will be received positively, you will scare people off.
-Being nice vs being a jerk... No girl likes being completely disrespected. In fact, I have not seen any girl react positively to being ignored when they say 'hi' to me. They just go talk to another or flirt with another. No guy chases when a girl does this to them either, unless they like creating drama themselves
-If they don't think you're interested in them, they won't bother helping you. Works both ways.
-I have actually found that the more of a mystery I am (less texting, less phone calls, more chatting in person), the better my luck. Too many people lose interest very quickly if all communication happens through multimedia format early on.


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10 Oct 2013, 12:37 am

Geekonychus wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
lost561 wrote:
appletheclown wrote:

First off they have no proof, all of it is naive belief in pop culture as fact, and not many woman date a***holes to be treated 'normal'.
Your right, I can answer it myself, but that would leave no other room for the other sides argument to actually answer without starting an argument like lost and geekonychus have already started in the other thread, and the one between lost and whoamI on here.


So why are you so concerned with this topic enough to create a thread on it? You are obviously envious that you aren't successful and that these jerks are.

Do you have success in the dating world?

I can't name her, and asking around about her wouldn't be the manly thing to do if it wasn't on pm's only, but with her, she wasn't perfect, but she felt that way to me, and what happened next was the opposite problem of a forever aloner, the too fast kind of thing to put a name to it. I have no problem in this area, I just have a big distaste for this downing the nice guy into oblivion thing. I never had to stop being nice for my first, and telling a guy only bad boys win, is the kind of thing that stays in pop fiction. People like you who changed your attitude towards women and are successful because of it, shouldn't be telling us what to do. I never changed, but the girl in question was a hottie because I was attracted to her. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not the bully you had in middle school.
We had to stop because it wouldn't work. It tore me up inside, and filled me with a guilt and broken heart.
I always say I'm not experienced, because I'm not! It just had an opposite effect!
Most men never get this, and me having had this is in no means a badge of authority, but it makes me angry in that people are just up and giving up being nice, and not smashing this fake just to get sex crap most of these 'jerk' people are coming up with.

Apple. There's a difference between being a "nice guy" and a "Nice Guy(TM)." Read this blog if you have the time:
http://wtfniceguys.tumblr.com/
If the stuff on here doesn't fit you, I'm not talking about you. If it does then you have a jumping off point on how to improve yourself. I had a few Nice Guy(TM) tendencies back in the day. As soon I started working past them, interested girls started coming out of the woodwork. It can happen for you too. I know it can..........


Checked the link. As expected, too simplistic. Sometimes, even genuinely nice guys can get upset that girls reject them and attribute it to them being nice.



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10 Oct 2013, 2:27 am

Geekonychus wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
lost561 wrote:
appletheclown wrote:

First off they have no proof, all of it is naive belief in pop culture as fact, and not many woman date a***holes to be treated 'normal'.
Your right, I can answer it myself, but that would leave no other room for the other sides argument to actually answer without starting an argument like lost and geekonychus have already started in the other thread, and the one between lost and whoamI on here.


So why are you so concerned with this topic enough to create a thread on it? You are obviously envious that you aren't successful and that these jerks are.

Do you have success in the dating world?

I can't name her, and asking around about her wouldn't be the manly thing to do if it wasn't on pm's only, but with her, she wasn't perfect, but she felt that way to me, and what happened next was the opposite problem of a forever aloner, the too fast kind of thing to put a name to it. I have no problem in this area, I just have a big distaste for this downing the nice guy into oblivion thing. I never had to stop being nice for my first, and telling a guy only bad boys win, is the kind of thing that stays in pop fiction. People like you who changed your attitude towards women and are successful because of it, shouldn't be telling us what to do. I never changed, but the girl in question was a hottie because I was attracted to her. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not the bully you had in middle school.
We had to stop because it wouldn't work. It tore me up inside, and filled me with a guilt and broken heart.
I always say I'm not experienced, because I'm not! It just had an opposite effect!
Most men never get this, and me having had this is in no means a badge of authority, but it makes me angry in that people are just up and giving up being nice, and not smashing this fake just to get sex crap most of these 'jerk' people are coming up with.

Apple. There's a difference between being a "nice guy" and a "Nice Guy(TM)." Read this blog if you have the time:
http://wtfniceguys.tumblr.com/
If the stuff on here doesn't fit you, I'm not talking about you. If it does then you have a jumping off point on how to improve yourself. I had a few Nice Guy(TM) tendencies back in the day. As soon I started working past them, interested girls started coming out of the woodwork. It can happen for you too. I know it can..........


There's a difference between passive aggressive nice guys and there's a difference between someone being genuinely nice. You can be nice without using flattery or emotional manipulation, you can be decent as well by having morals. It's about reading signals and being able to know when you take action and when to withdraw, that's why so many guys here struggle to grasp relationships.



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10 Oct 2013, 2:28 am

MCalavera wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
lost561 wrote:
appletheclown wrote:

First off they have no proof, all of it is naive belief in pop culture as fact, and not many woman date a***holes to be treated 'normal'.
Your right, I can answer it myself, but that would leave no other room for the other sides argument to actually answer without starting an argument like lost and geekonychus have already started in the other thread, and the one between lost and whoamI on here.


So why are you so concerned with this topic enough to create a thread on it? You are obviously envious that you aren't successful and that these jerks are.

Do you have success in the dating world?

I can't name her, and asking around about her wouldn't be the manly thing to do if it wasn't on pm's only, but with her, she wasn't perfect, but she felt that way to me, and what happened next was the opposite problem of a forever aloner, the too fast kind of thing to put a name to it. I have no problem in this area, I just have a big distaste for this downing the nice guy into oblivion thing. I never had to stop being nice for my first, and telling a guy only bad boys win, is the kind of thing that stays in pop fiction. People like you who changed your attitude towards women and are successful because of it, shouldn't be telling us what to do. I never changed, but the girl in question was a hottie because I was attracted to her. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not the bully you had in middle school.
We had to stop because it wouldn't work. It tore me up inside, and filled me with a guilt and broken heart.
I always say I'm not experienced, because I'm not! It just had an opposite effect!
Most men never get this, and me having had this is in no means a badge of authority, but it makes me angry in that people are just up and giving up being nice, and not smashing this fake just to get sex crap most of these 'jerk' people are coming up with.

Apple. There's a difference between being a "nice guy" and a "Nice Guy(TM)." Read this blog if you have the time:
http://wtfniceguys.tumblr.com/
If the stuff on here doesn't fit you, I'm not talking about you. If it does then you have a jumping off point on how to improve yourself. I had a few Nice Guy(TM) tendencies back in the day. As soon I started working past them, interested girls started coming out of the woodwork. It can happen for you too. I know it can..........


Checked the link. As expected, too simplistic. Sometimes, even genuinely nice guys can get upset that girls reject them and attribute it to them being nice.


If a girl has led a nice guy on, she is genuinely in the wrong and guys do have the right to be angry at that.



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10 Oct 2013, 6:42 am

It's sometimes due to miscommunication between the guy and the girl. Girls seem to generally value "platonic" friendships with the opposite gender a bit too much to the point she'll dismiss the idea of a relationship with a close guy friend if she sees he makes a very good "platonic" friend (even if she had a crush on him initially), but she doesn't reveal those intentions to the guy, while the guy thinks/expects the friendship is blossoming into something romantic because the dynamics often seem to hint that way and gets disappointed when it isn't what he expected.

It's not a sin to want something beyond just friendship, and it's not a sin if one doesn't want that, but intentions need to be made clear from both sides.



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MCalavera wrote:
It's sometimes due to miscommunication between the guy and the girl. Girls seem to generally value "platonic" friendships with the opposite gender a bit too much to the point she'll dismiss the idea of a relationship with a close guy friend if she sees he makes a very good "platonic" friend (even if she had a crush on him initially), but she doesn't reveal those intentions to the guy, while the guy thinks/expects the friendship is blossoming into something romantic because the dynamics often seem to hint that way and gets disappointed when it isn't what he expected.

It's not a sin to want something beyond just friendship, and it's not a sin if one doesn't want that, but intentions need to be made clear from both sides.
Ladies, in my experience, stop at platonic relationships when there dream boy's true self is revealed, not when they find something even better about him.


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10 Oct 2013, 6:54 am

appletheclown wrote:
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It's sometimes due to miscommunication between the guy and the girl. Girls seem to generally value "platonic" friendships with the opposite gender a bit too much to the point she'll dismiss the idea of a relationship with a close guy friend if she sees he makes a very good "platonic" friend (even if she had a crush on him initially), but she doesn't reveal those intentions to the guy, while the guy thinks/expects the friendship is blossoming into something romantic because the dynamics often seem to hint that way and gets disappointed when it isn't what he expected.

It's not a sin to want something beyond just friendship, and it's not a sin if one doesn't want that, but intentions need to be made clear from both sides.
Ladies, in my experience, stop at platonic relationships when there dream boy's true self is revealed, not when they find something even better about him.


I disagree. Otherwise, you wouldn't see girls clinging to the dream boys who are actually abusive to them. My hypothesis, which by no means is perfect, seems to explain it better. And it is very slightly supported by some studies that show women feel more jealousy over emotional cheating (even if not sexual/romantic) while men tend to feel more jealousy over sexual/romantic cheating.



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10 Oct 2013, 7:24 am

MCalavera wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
It's sometimes due to miscommunication between the guy and the girl. Girls seem to generally value "platonic" friendships with the opposite gender a bit too much to the point she'll dismiss the idea of a relationship with a close guy friend if she sees he makes a very good "platonic" friend (even if she had a crush on him initially), but she doesn't reveal those intentions to the guy, while the guy thinks/expects the friendship is blossoming into something romantic because the dynamics often seem to hint that way and gets disappointed when it isn't what he expected.

It's not a sin to want something beyond just friendship, and it's not a sin if one doesn't want that, but intentions need to be made clear from both sides.
Ladies, in my experience, stop at platonic relationships when there dream boy's true self is revealed, not when they find something even better about him.


I disagree. Otherwise, you wouldn't see girls clinging to the dream boys who are actually abusive to them. My hypothesis, which by no means is perfect, seems to explain it better. And it is very slightly supported by some studies that show women feel more jealousy over emotional cheating (even if not sexual/romantic) while men tend to feel more jealousy over sexual/romantic cheating.

Abuse makes them feel trapped, why would it make a woman feel she could back away.
Say a man is revealed to be abusive to his partner, does she feel like "Oh I should dump this loser!"? No, she doesn't, she thinks "I want the old _______ back!" and starts crying in the corner. Abusiveness is still something to dump someone over, but early on, before you are trapped.
How does this have anything to do with a woman, whom when her crush is found to be even more genuine, compassionate, and perfect in every way, then putting him in the friend zone because she wants him to be her soul mate? It just sounds like a pillow to cry on thing, I'd have no part in something like that.


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10 Oct 2013, 8:03 am

Do you guys ever think about Chemistry? Do you even feel chemistry? I do and to me it is the most important part of wanting to have a romantic relationship with someone. This may explain most of the bad boy scenarios as well. A guy could be the most perfect match on paper for me but if I don't feel that special vibe thing with him then I would not want to go out with him. I know a lot of my female friends can be motivated by other things like the guys job or standing in the community or how much money he makes, it literally turns them on but if the guy didn't have those attributes they lose interest. I never understood this myself but people are so different, sadly there isn't an easy way to make them all fit into a simple set of rules - you should know this better than anyone. :roll:



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10 Oct 2013, 8:40 am

I don't believe in chemistry. It's really a matter of chance (right time, right place, right mood, right circumstances) that is often mistaken for chemistry.