Has lowering your standards ever worked?

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13 Oct 2013, 12:25 pm

I am literally incompatible with everyone else (even though, theoretically there may be someone in the universe that I'll never meet). I've tried dating people no one would ever date. Usually, this meant that the person approached me first (smelly, missing teeth, etc), but eventually they didn't forgive my shortcomings. Most people, even on the lower end of the social totem pole are looking for people who are somewhat "normal" in certain ways. For example, I'm asexual. Most people don't forgive that. In my brief experiences dating "undateables", the other person flaked out on me or otherwise did something so ridiculous that I knew they didn't care about me. Or alternately, they had a thick shell that made them paranoid of anyone who would talk to them. A lot of the social untouchables pushed me away from the very outset, maybe because they had been burned too many times, or found it just creepy that I would talk to them.

I have never tolerated abusive or dishonest people....I've had a handful of "undateables" who were twice my age and had hygeine issues approach me. I had brief friendships with said group, but eventually my social shortcomings became intolerable to them. It just felt like after a period of time the other person would do something on purpose because they wanted me to be the one to reject them. (example: smoke in my face even though I can't tolerate cigarettes)..



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13 Oct 2013, 5:27 pm

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I am literally incompatible with everyone else (even though, theoretically there may be someone in the universe that I'll never meet). I've tried dating people no one would ever date. Usually, this meant that the person approached me first (smelly, missing teeth, etc), but eventually they didn't forgive my shortcomings. Most people, even on the lower end of the social totem pole are looking for people who are somewhat "normal" in certain ways. For example, I'm asexual. Most people don't forgive that. In my brief experiences dating "undateables", the other person flaked out on me or otherwise did something so ridiculous that I knew they didn't care about me. Or alternately, they had a thick shell that made them paranoid of anyone who would talk to them. A lot of the social untouchables pushed me away from the very outset, maybe because they had been burned too many times, or found it just creepy that I would talk to them.

That seems to be the problem with the one-dimensional "league" scheme: People who are in a similar league of overall attractiveness are not necessarily compatible. For example, I have a university degree (and I'll probably have a PhD in a couple of years), but this doesn't make me attractive. Instead, it causes less educated people to stay away from me (that's why I think approaching the homeless woman by the train station would not work). And those with similar education are either male or way more attractive than me.

Additionally, matching people with shortcomings is difficult because you need to look at what matters to whom. Bad hygiene is a deal breaker for me; asexuality is not. Concerning physical disabilities, deafness is a problem, blindness probably isn't. Now try to find someone who fulfills my criteria and tolerates my social awkwardness in return.



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13 Oct 2013, 5:36 pm

Or - how's about this - you go about things in a completely different way:

Go out, and connect with people. Forget the surface, forget everything. Just connect.

By doing that, you are giving of yourself. Also, you're training yourself in social interaction - and training yourself to stop expecting to get. Because, if you're always on the take, it shows in interactions.

One day, if you do this, you will connect with a woman and it will be so easy and natural. No games required, no strategies. No stupid ratings. It just shall be.

How's that? It's a bit old fashioned, I know, not expecting to get get get. But hey - what else were you going to try?

No need to thank me :P



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13 Oct 2013, 5:42 pm

And this is why most of the guys on this forum are single and fapping off tonight, unrealistic expectations through porn and other sources which causes them to expect their own girlfriends to look like porn stars or bikini models.



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13 Oct 2013, 6:17 pm

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Or - how's about this - you go about things in a completely different way:

Go out, and connect with people. Forget the surface, forget everything. Just connect.

Connecting is exactly what doesn't work for me. Which is why I say that I'm only theorizing. Even if I was more attractive, I'd still lack the emotional capabilities for a relationship.

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And this is why most of the guys on this forum are single and fapping off tonight, unrealistic expectations through porn and other sources which causes them to expect their own girlfriends to look like porn stars or bikini models.

What is "this"?

This thread is exactly a response to comments like yours. I'm trying to show that for a lot of people, high expectations are not the problem.



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13 Oct 2013, 6:39 pm

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Connecting is exactly what doesn't work for me. Which is why I say that I'm only theorizing. Even if I was more attractive, I'd still lack the emotional capabilities for a relationship.


The "emotional capabilities" that you speak of can be learned with time. The more practice you have, the more improvement you will see. It just takes a commitment to self-improvement, a willingness to learn, and the dedication to keep trying despite failures. That's not to say it's easy though, and everyone improves at a different pace. Another thing: if you approach dating or anything thinking of yourself as unattractive or emotionally incapable, then it will end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have to be able to believe in yourself, and respect yourself, to really succeed.



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13 Oct 2013, 7:35 pm

everyone has standards to a certain extent. For instance, would you date an 80 year old women or a 5 year old girl? If you said yes, you need help. Age is a basic standard, that means you only date people in your age group.


then some people have really high standards such as the dude must be 6 ft 5 with huge bulging muscles and he must be a millionaire.


Basically if you have really high standards but you have nothing to offer in return, then you standards are too high.



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14 Oct 2013, 3:40 am

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The "emotional capabilities" that you speak of can be learned with time.

I hope so. Right now, my social behavior is based on rational thinking and acting. So I can determine: "my communication strategy works well with this person", but not: "I feel emotionally connected to this person". I should try to behave more "naturally", but I have always observed that when I do that, people run away.

I'd still like to have an answer to the question:
Do you think it is acceptable/a good idea to specificially look for someone with shortcomings?

My main problem would be: How do I explain myself? "OK, no, I don't think you're hot. But I'm desperate and running out of options..." I'm obviously not an expert at social intuition, but I don't think that's a good idea.



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14 Oct 2013, 4:14 am

Vectorspace wrote:
octobertiger wrote:
Or - how's about this - you go about things in a completely different way:

Go out, and connect with people. Forget the surface, forget everything. Just connect.

Connecting is exactly what doesn't work for me. Which is why I say that I'm only theorizing. Even if I was more attractive, I'd still lack the emotional capabilities for a relationship.

hanshotfirst wrote:
And this is why most of the guys on this forum are single and fapping off tonight, unrealistic expectations through porn and other sources which causes them to expect their own girlfriends to look like porn stars or bikini models.

What is "this"?

This thread is exactly a response to comments like yours. I'm trying to show that for a lot of people, high expectations are not the problem.


Well what exactly makes you better than these girls you deem as unworthy of your love? Are you God's gift to women? You are someone with a severe brain disorder and a disability yourself.



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14 Oct 2013, 5:30 am

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Stargazer43 wrote:
The "emotional capabilities" that you speak of can be learned with time.

I hope so. Right now, my social behavior is based on rational thinking and acting. So I can determine: "my communication strategy works well with this person", but not: "I feel emotionally connected to this person". I should try to behave more "naturally", but I have always observed that when I do that, people run away.

I'd still like to have an answer to the question:
Do you think it is acceptable/a good idea to specificially look for someone with shortcomings?

My main problem would be: How do I explain myself? "OK, no, I don't think you're hot. But I'm desperate and running out of options..." I'm obviously not an expert at social intuition, but I don't think that's a good idea.


Oh, I thought that had already been settled. No, it sounds like a downright terrible idea.



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14 Oct 2013, 7:13 am

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Well what exactly makes you better than these girls you deem as unworthy of your love? Are you God's gift to women? You are someone with a severe brain disorder and a disability yourself.

Sorry, I still don't see how this is a response to what I said.

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Vectorspace wrote:
Stargazer43 wrote:
The "emotional capabilities" that you speak of can be learned with time.

I hope so. Right now, my social behavior is based on rational thinking and acting. So I can determine: "my communication strategy works well with this person", but not: "I feel emotionally connected to this person". I should try to behave more "naturally", but I have always observed that when I do that, people run away.

I'd still like to have an answer to the question:
Do you think it is acceptable/a good idea to specificially look for someone with shortcomings?

My main problem would be: How do I explain myself? "OK, no, I don't think you're hot. But I'm desperate and running out of options..." I'm obviously not an expert at social intuition, but I don't think that's a good idea.

Oh, I thought that had already been settled. No, it sounds like a downright terrible idea.

I thought so. But somehow, I'm attracted to "weird" people. Not sure where that comes from...



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16 Oct 2013, 4:06 am

Lowering your standards never works. Settling for someone you think is less than you is a recipe for disaster because that air of superiority will always leak through and you're not valuing the person for who they are. Ultimately no one will be happy.

Assessing and adjusting your standards does work. If you have rigid standards that make you reject potential partners on a rather superficial basis then you're limiting your dating pool unnecessarily. From "I won't date anyone who's not in a certain BMI range" to "It's really important to me that the person I date is physically active and healthy so we can do activities that we both enjoy" and being able to look beyond BMI. Or "I won't date anyone with less than a PhD" to "I need someone who is intellectual and continues to enjoy learning new things." means you can happily date someone with a masters or a bachelors degree - but you stick to a standard of a completed higher education degree. These are my own standards which I've adjusted over the years.

Rather than focusing on a particular measurement, you need to focus on what drove you to choose that standard in the first place. I want to be with someone who likes to move their body in outdoor activities. I need to be with someone who challenges me intellectually.

I've also learned that I need to be with someone who is flexible, kind and enjoys group activities. I also need to be with someone who is reasonably adventurous sexually and has a normal to above-average sex drive. My standards have changed over the years, they are much looser, but they better reflect my core values and the qualities I admire.



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17 Oct 2013, 8:39 am

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Lowering your standards never works. Settling for someone you think is less than you is a recipe for disaster because that air of superiority will always leak through and you're not valuing the person for who they are. Ultimately no one will be happy.

No, I don't feel superior to anyone. I thought I was superior when I was younger, but now I've realized that I'm absolutely not.

OK, I'm smart and I know it. But what's the benefit? Family members tell me all the time: "You work so hard. You should take a break and enjoy your life." But I'm completely incapable of anything that might be enjoyable.



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17 Oct 2013, 10:27 am

Two different ways of looking at it:

One, you give yourself permission to be happy. Any activity doesn't necessarily link to that.

Two, you are depriving a woman of (potentially) an excellent partner. Bit selfish, that. Why does it have to be uuuuuuu?



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17 Oct 2013, 11:39 am

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Two, you are depriving a woman of (potentially) an excellent partner. Bit selfish, that. Why does it have to be uuuuuuu?

Yes, that's the way I think about myself. :?