being asexual and trying to find a partner...
marshall wrote:
I'm extremely frustrated. It seems futile. I don't know that I'm capable of "falling in love" after a few dates with someone. At the very least I need to develop a certain comfort level that requires interaction in a private setting without noise and distractions. Maybe I need to communicate this with a friend I've seen a few times over the past month. I'm feeling it's too late now though.
Also bothered by "advice" that being lonely is not a good reason to want a partner. I think I know enough about myself at this time to be aware that I need a deeper connection than what is provided by the majority of friendships I witness out in the world. I just don't see how I can build any sense of closeness with someone I see for an hour or two once a week or less. I just don't get this society. I'm tired of patronizing advice from more sexual people who really don't understand.
Also bothered by "advice" that being lonely is not a good reason to want a partner. I think I know enough about myself at this time to be aware that I need a deeper connection than what is provided by the majority of friendships I witness out in the world. I just don't see how I can build any sense of closeness with someone I see for an hour or two once a week or less. I just don't get this society. I'm tired of patronizing advice from more sexual people who really don't understand.
Unfortunately, the only way you're going to find a long-term partner if you're asexual is if your partner is also asexual, otherwise they'll just get frustrated with the lack of sex. Maybe there a sites on the internet where you can find people who also asexual.
BigSister wrote:
yellowtamarin wrote:
People fall in love after a few dates???
I don't know if that's typical, but when my mom was dating she certainly did. Or at least she got really gushy and the guy was all she would talk about. (If, of course, she liked the person she went on a date with.) I myself have actually never dated on top of the whole probably ace thing, so no clue there.
It seems superficial and shallow to me. You can't really know someone after one or two dates.
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I don't know any sexual females in relationships with asexual males - the only relationship I know is actually the opposite, but since the guy believes in no sex before marriage and they're not married, they haven't run into any conflict. Also, post-marriage, if he really wanted to (and I don't think he'd push it) I'm guessing the girl would be willing to have sex just to make him happy, even though she doesn't care for the idea herself.
As a guy there's the additional issue of having to "perform", or risk damaging the womens self-esteem if she thinks you don't want her body enough.
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I messaged most of the openly asexual people in my area on OKC and didn't even get a response. I feel like I'll have to settle for a relationship with a sexual female. I have one female friend I met on OKC who I've met for coffee and/or dinner several times, but I don't really know if it's ever going to be anything. She's gotten stressed out with graduate school work and doesn't seem to want to get together anymore. I feel like I should just give up on that.
Okay, so I'm going to take a wild guess and say you didn't manage to message all of the open aces. To use my area for an example, even if you found a bunch of open aces online and messaged, you still wouldn't have found my friends and I. You might have to do this the old fashioned way - in person - since online doesn't seem to be working for you. I really would recommend visiting some kind of LGBT group and seeing if there's anyone there. Even if there's not, you can ask around and see if they know someone - they're more likely to know people who are openly ace. Also, if you're missing a sense of community, you'd find one there.
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Gender roles make it hard because I can't just sit back and wait for people to message me on dating sites. Females are allowed to be shy while men aren't. I just get annoyed with being rejected by aces because it means I get no practice dating people who might actually have a chance.
I suppose I shouldn't take it personally but it's impossible to not be upset when I'm lonely. I haven't even come out to her with the fact that I'm probably asexual. I don't care if we're not romantically compatible. I just don't want to ruin the friendship. It's hard for me to maintain friendships with people I don't get to see at least once a week. The infrequency of time spend together makes things more uncomfortable. It seems that's just how the world is set up though. It doesn't seem very natural to me.
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It does sound like your female friend is sending off signals that she doesn't want to hang out as often. Don't take it personally or anything, but she just doesn't sound like she's capable time-wise of increasing your relationship into something you want right now.
I suppose I shouldn't take it personally but it's impossible to not be upset when I'm lonely. I haven't even come out to her with the fact that I'm probably asexual. I don't care if we're not romantically compatible. I just don't want to ruin the friendship. It's hard for me to maintain friendships with people I don't get to see at least once a week. The infrequency of time spend together makes things more uncomfortable. It seems that's just how the world is set up though. It doesn't seem very natural to me.
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I don't think over thirty means you've missed the boat.
It just means you're dealing with a different dating scene.
Perhaps I'm just really impatient. I've only been "dating" for a few months.
Jono wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'm extremely frustrated. It seems futile. I don't know that I'm capable of "falling in love" after a few dates with someone. At the very least I need to develop a certain comfort level that requires interaction in a private setting without noise and distractions. Maybe I need to communicate this with a friend I've seen a few times over the past month. I'm feeling it's too late now though.
Also bothered by "advice" that being lonely is not a good reason to want a partner. I think I know enough about myself at this time to be aware that I need a deeper connection than what is provided by the majority of friendships I witness out in the world. I just don't see how I can build any sense of closeness with someone I see for an hour or two once a week or less. I just don't get this society. I'm tired of patronizing advice from more sexual people who really don't understand.
Also bothered by "advice" that being lonely is not a good reason to want a partner. I think I know enough about myself at this time to be aware that I need a deeper connection than what is provided by the majority of friendships I witness out in the world. I just don't see how I can build any sense of closeness with someone I see for an hour or two once a week or less. I just don't get this society. I'm tired of patronizing advice from more sexual people who really don't understand.
Unfortunately, the only way you're going to find a long-term partner if you're asexual is if your partner is also asexual, otherwise they'll just get frustrated with the lack of sex. Maybe there a sites on the internet where you can find people who also asexual.
I don't see why they can't satisfy their physical need for orgasms with a toy or something. It's so dumb and shallow. There most likely aren't enough asexual people who are compatible. It's a numbers game. If I limit myself to a tiny pool my chances are extremely small.
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marshall wrote:
If it's that hopeless maybe I should just kill myself. I don't see why they can't satisfy their physical need for orgasms with a toy or something. It's so dumb and shallow. There most likely aren't enough asexual people who are compatible. It's a numbers game. If I limit myself to a tiny pool my chances are extremely small.
And, sometimes, selfish. My last boyfriend's libido greatly outpaced mine and he used that as an excuse to go out and sleep with other women behind my back. And, I think I will be similarly mismatched with just about any guy I date in the future, so I can empathize with what you are saying. I guess I must be, like, Vulcan or something, but I just don't understand why the world revolves around sex to the extent that it does or why some people take what seems to me to be such a take-no-prisoners approach to seeking gratification.
blueroses wrote:
marshall wrote:
If it's that hopeless maybe I should just kill myself. I don't see why they can't satisfy their physical need for orgasms with a toy or something. It's so dumb and shallow. There most likely aren't enough asexual people who are compatible. It's a numbers game. If I limit myself to a tiny pool my chances are extremely small.
And, sometimes, selfish. My last boyfriend's libido greatly outpaced mine and he used that as an excuse to go out and sleep with other women behind my back. And, I think I will be similarly mismatched with just about any guy I date in the future, so I can empathize with what you are saying. I guess I must be, like, Vulcan or something, but I just don't understand why the world revolves around sex to the extent that it does or why some people take what seems to me to be such a take-no-prisoners approach to seeking gratification.
I was hoping that maybe I wouldn't be at such a disadvantage as the stereotype is that women are less sex-driven than men. Unfortunately that isn't always the case. I just haven't ever had any success getting dates with other asexuals. I can only get dates with sexual women. It also sucks that we're always separated by long distances. Long distance relationships are hard for me.
yellowtamarin wrote:
I'm not asexual, but I think maybe (maybe...I could be way off the mark here) I desire something similar to what you are looking for. For me, it's a close friendship, one where we catch up often and share everything, we think in a similar way and have really great conversations. There's an intellectual closeness and also frequent company that doesn't drain me.
I think you were addressing marshall there, but if you were addressing me, you wouldn't be off the mark at all. That is an excellent description of what I desire! If someone asked me to describe it I don't think I could have come up with that, but when I read it - that's totally it.
Of course, I also desire physical closeness and, since I'm not asexual, sex as well. It wouldn't be as important to me as the mental connection, but I'm pretty sure that I'd enjoy the physical stuff, too!
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marshall wrote:
Jono wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'm extremely frustrated. It seems futile. I don't know that I'm capable of "falling in love" after a few dates with someone. At the very least I need to develop a certain comfort level that requires interaction in a private setting without noise and distractions. Maybe I need to communicate this with a friend I've seen a few times over the past month. I'm feeling it's too late now though.
Also bothered by "advice" that being lonely is not a good reason to want a partner. I think I know enough about myself at this time to be aware that I need a deeper connection than what is provided by the majority of friendships I witness out in the world. I just don't see how I can build any sense of closeness with someone I see for an hour or two once a week or less. I just don't get this society. I'm tired of patronizing advice from more sexual people who really don't understand.
Also bothered by "advice" that being lonely is not a good reason to want a partner. I think I know enough about myself at this time to be aware that I need a deeper connection than what is provided by the majority of friendships I witness out in the world. I just don't see how I can build any sense of closeness with someone I see for an hour or two once a week or less. I just don't get this society. I'm tired of patronizing advice from more sexual people who really don't understand.
Unfortunately, the only way you're going to find a long-term partner if you're asexual is if your partner is also asexual, otherwise they'll just get frustrated with the lack of sex. Maybe there a sites on the internet where you can find people who also asexual.
I don't see why they can't satisfy their physical need for orgasms with a toy or something. It's so dumb and shallow. There most likely aren't enough asexual people who are compatible. It's a numbers game. If I limit myself to a tiny pool my chances are extremely small.
To be fair, for many people who are sexual, in fact even most, sex is a way to establish emotional bonds with their partners, it's not just about satisfying urges. That's why it's actually normal for a lot of people to be unable to have long-term relationships without physical intimacy, including sex. I understand your frustration though.
Jono wrote:
To be fair, for many people who are sexual, in fact even most, sex is a way to establish emotional bonds with their partners, it's not just about satisfying urges. That's why it's actually normal for a lot of people to be unable to have long-term relationships without physical intimacy, including sex. I understand your frustration though.
I get that. I just don't like the assumption that being asexual is equated to lacking attraction/love. Its upsetting to feel as though you don't deserve to love someone because you're not good enough at pleasing them in bed. Or the idea that "getting laid" is one of life's rites of passage for a guy. You aren't confident in your "manliness" if you're unable or unwilling jam your dick in one or more bodily orifices of someone else. Is something even insects do really that special?
Being lonely is an ok reason to want a partner.
Being asexual is going to be a challenge; but it's one you'll have to work at. You aren't the only asexual person in the world.
And people really have no right judging a person for being sexual or asexual. If sex makes you feel good about yourself and your judging people for that, come down off your high horse.
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I don't see why they can't satisfy their physical need for orgasms with a toy or something. It's so dumb and shallow.
I'd like to say, that just because we don't share the drive of sexual people, that doesn't mean their feelings are any less valid. They're not stupid for wanting only a relationship with sex, they're just running on a completely different operating system, so to speak. It also, also someone else has said, doesn't seem to just be a physical need that can be satisfied with a toy. There is more to it than that, and we really can't judge.
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It seems superficial and shallow to me. You can't really know someone after one or two dates.
There are also different types of love. What I was referring to that my mother was experiencing was pretty much a straight shot of feel-good chemicals. Also, it's not a perfect explanation, but I think the triangular theory of love does provide a good starting point for understanding the concept of there being different types of love (all of which are quite valid).

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I really don't understand this at all. What kind of relation-ship do you require that can't be met with a live-in platonic friendship? Do you just need a Mummy?
I can't speak for marshall, but personally, a live-in platonic friend isn't quite enough for me. At least, not on a life long scale (for a few years, though, it was still great). For starters, one of the issues aces tend to face is the issue of time. With the romantic relationship label comes unspoken privileges or rights to another person's time. It didn't matter how close my roommate and I were (and we were very close), as soon as her boyfriend wanted to spend time with her, he got it. Unfortunately for me, it didn't work the other way around, so even though I technically lived with her, at points in their relationship I only got an actual conversation with her about once a week. Not a big issue, because I wasn't looking for a relationship (and after I had gone a while without seeing her she would generally make a point to hang out with me), but I can see that becoming an issue in any long-term arrangement. Also, like marshall said, cuddles are appreciated. And live-in platonic friends might not be so comfortable with that.
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I've only been "dating" for a few months.
Yeah, it's going to take a lot more time than that...but that's normal.
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And people really have no right judging a person for being sexual or asexual. If sex makes you feel good about yourself and your judging people for that, come down off your high horse.
I'm not on a "high horse". I have nothing against sex. I'm just sick of being invalidated like I just was by the person above you. You can't honestly get it without having to walk a mile in my shoes. Just be happy you're normal and leave me alone. Lucky you.
I don't have a problem with compromise. I can try medication. I just have a problem with shallow/insecure women who think I don't love them if I don't get hard enough.
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I don't see why they can't satisfy their physical need for orgasms with a toy or something. It's so dumb and shallow.
I'd like to say, that just because we don't share the drive of sexual people, that doesn't mean their feelings are any less valid. They're not stupid for wanting only a relationship with sex, they're just running on a completely different operating system, so to speak. It also, also someone else has said, doesn't seem to just be a physical need that can be satisfied with a toy. There is more to it than that, and we really can't judge.
I only invalidate them because I'm sick of having my feelings invalidated. If they're in the majority they can suck it up. They have 99.9% of humanity to commiserate with.
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I really don't understand this at all. What kind of relation-ship do you require that can't be met with a live-in platonic friendship? Do you just need a Mummy?
I can't speak for marshall, but personally, a live-in platonic friend isn't quite enough for me. At least, not on a life long scale (for a few years, though, it was still great). For starters, one of the issues aces tend to face is the issue of time. With the romantic relationship label comes unspoken privileges or rights to another person's time. It didn't matter how close my roommate and I were (and we were very close), as soon as her boyfriend wanted to spend time with her, he got it. Unfortunately for me, it didn't work the other way around, so even though I technically lived with her, at points in their relationship I only got an actual conversation with her about once a week. Not a big issue, because I wasn't looking for a relationship (and after I had gone a while without seeing her she would generally make a point to hang out with me), but I can see that becoming an issue in any long-term arrangement. Also, like marshall said, cuddles are appreciated. And live-in platonic friends might not be so comfortable with that.
That's exactly the problem. A roommate will never be the same. If I reach the desired level of intimacy with a female roommate it will become something more than platonic. If she has another romantic partner it will become awkward. It just doesn't work the way things are set up in our society. Also, I already have parents, so the wanting a mommy comment is ridiculous.
