How to: Date aspie women
I was a bit worried early on because you mentioned the (lack of) importance of penis size, having never had sex (so you can't guarantee that wouldn't be important...even if it is most likely that it wouldn't be), but then you raised pretty good points.
You have kinda intertwined what YOU want with what ANY aspie woman might want - I like how you separated the two in parts of your post, but your final list at the end narrowed it down too much, I think. There are a high number of aspies who do not want the things in point 4. I'd have left it at points 1 and 2, which are good points.
"Just be YOU, and attract those who are looking for YOU."
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There is a distinguishable difference between playing a role and acquiring the life skills necessary to be able to attract others. The problem is not that one has to adapt, the problem is the way people approach adaptation. If you think of necessary behavioral adaptation as a role that you play for a limited amount of time to attract a relationship, you are SOL when the other person gets to know you.
The OP asks for someone to be both reliable and to not play a role--this doesn't mean that people with difficult or odd personal habits are automatically out of the running for all dating, but that instead of thinking of the whole thing as a game people play, it's better to think of adopting stable behaviors which permanently change the way you behave until you do become comfortably able to be in a relationship with others. And, you know, obviously there's a list of people you don't want to date, which is fine. You shouldn't try to be perfect for everyone (because it's impossible.)
But people shoot themselves in the foot when they think of attractive behaviors as a game you play until you bring the other person home. Even after they've moved in, you still have to adapt (as much of a pain in the ass as it is.) And I don't mean to suggest that you try to be someone else entirely, either. Just that you'd have to work on being in a relationship even if the stars aligned and your soul mate showed up.
For me personally, all four requirements fit. I'd add a fifth requirement: be prepared to work on it if you want the relationship to be good for you.
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You have kinda intertwined what YOU want with what ANY aspie woman might want - I like how you separated the two in parts of your post, but your final list at the end narrowed it down too much, I think. There are a high number of aspies who do not want the things in point 4. I'd have left it at points 1 and 2, which are good points.
"Just be YOU, and attract those who are looking for YOU."
Yeah but some people don't even know who they are or what they are capable of. That is part of the problem.
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Hi my name is kelvin lieu and i have autism, i live in south east london. I was diagnosed with autism when i was little.
i found WP when i was looking up forum websites.
i'm 21 years old and i'm interested in meeting people my age and who share the same interest as me.
i like watching tv and anime ,playing video games and right now i'm trying to get into reading.
if anybody is interested then reply back to my message
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My problem in dating an aspie girl is one who can play the NT card QUITE well....if you guys read my blogs, you'll know what I mean. This might sound harsh, but I've met so many aspie girls who couldn't care about their appearance and self-esteem. Everyone should want to feel handsome/beautiful/pretty/good looking, or am I the crazy one?
Or am I just being downright rude and mean?
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Okay, can we slow down a little here?
Aspie guys typically learn how to interact with other humans, Aspie and otherwise, through mimicry. It's worth taking a look, meanwhile, at how the diagnostic criteria for AS overlap with the characteristics many women consider "creepy", starting with a lack of proper eye contact, and moving into not understanding social distance, not understanding conversation flow, the "hints" that many women use to be "clear" that they want to end a conversation, and so on. I'm not talking about inappropriate touching here: I'm talking about the basic social deficits that practically define Asperger syndrome. I cannot, for example, read emotional states from looking at someone's eyes. That's about AS, but it puts people off talking to you.
Spending more than 5 minutes on WP immediately tells you just how socially isolated most Aspies are, and I'm pretty sure this is one reason for it.
This is what happens when we are ourselves, and don't try to pass as NT, but those of us who do try to pass tend not to make a great job of it.
The guy might be lonely, if he's an Aspie, but that doesn't make him a jerk. It makes him like just about every guy using this site!
Absolutely you should not get into a relationship just because a guy is lonely. The flipside to that is that you are telling just about every Aspie guy (and Aspie girl, because I imagine this works both ways) on the planet to forget about even hoping for romantic involvement.
I suppose what I'm getting at is that it's perhaps worth not jumping to conclusions like this, and Aspies should perhaps be more aware of that than most.
Well, guys, I might get somewhat tough here when describing how I (and perhaps other aspie women too) think and act when it comes to relationships. There'll be some unpleasant truths you'll have to realize if you haven't already - but don't worry, at some point aspie women have to realize some tough stuff about men (aspie and NT) too!
Sometimes, it seems like men think dating a woman works more or less like a porn movie. It doesn't!
In a porn movie:
1. Man meets woman.
2. Man makes eye contact.
3. They have hardcore sex on the kitchen floor.
In reality, it is a lot more complex. So far, I haven't been in a relationship, and I haven't had sex - that's because I, for the sake of everyone, am careful to choose the right guy; so far I simply haven't found him.
But who is the right guy? Well... That's complicated. There is NO formula for who is Mr. Right, at least not in my mind. However, it only depends little on his looks, and the size of his penis doesn't matter at all. I'm a woman, not a female chimp, and it does take a lot more than a big penis to impress me.
Commercials and films make it seem like women want a certain "type"; the big macho John Wayne, the mysterious Edward Cullen or perhaps a cool businessman? No, sorry to say, but it doesn't work like that. Girls and women might be fans of Twilight, they might make romantic fanfics with Edward Cullen, kiss their pillow while imagining it was Edward Cullen, talk all the time about how sexy and beautiful Edward Cullen is - yet Edward Cullen isn't their dream guy. He's a fantasy. It's like: Would you want to be married to a pornstar? I mean, really? No? Well, women feel the same way!
But who DOES an aspie woman want? A sexy guy? A romantic guy? A manly guy? Erm... Personally, I just want a nice, normal guy. The guy I would dream of being in a relationship with (instead of just find sexy) would be friendly, nice, respectful, mature, responsible, aaand... Natural. Yes, it's true! The most important thing is that he doesn't play a role to make me happy. He simply has to be himself, and when I know who he really is, I'll decide whether I like him. If he plays a role, I'll quit immediately - that shows he's desperate, and if he's desperate, it might be because a lot of women rejected his advances in the past. If other women think he's a jerk, there might be some truth to it - YES, guys, that's how tough us dear little princesses really are! And how can I trust someone who doesn't show their true Self? Personally, I won't go into a relationship with a guy just because he's lonely; if other women couldn't stand him, what are the chances I can? And, another important point: I want to start a relationship with a guy I like and who likes me; it's way too fragile to built a relationship on pity. Sorry, but I have to protect myself, guys; that's the way it is!
So, Mr. Right is... Different for all women. Women prefer different things, and there's no how-to guide that covers all women; I haven't ever seen a single dating guide that covered even one woman. However, unless she doesn't really love you, she doesn't want a "type" - she wants a person, a whole and complete person with strengths and weaknesses. That's where the "how to make women love you"-guides go wrong; no, unless she doesn't actually love you, she doesn't care about the size of your penis, how smooth-talking you are or anything. Okay, some women might care about whether or not he likes Nike shoes, but for me, that's not what love is about.
Hey, wait... Love?! You mean the kind of thing that does not happen in bed?! Yes, guys, that's right! I want love. No, I don't want a lot of romance, I don't want a lot of attention, I don't want a lot of sex - I want a guy whom I can wake up with in the morning, whom I can talk with (but not necessarily all the time), who can say both yes and no, who can be both happy and angry, who can have good days and bad days... All in all, I want a human being, not some super-hyped commercial guy. Honestly, I am only little aware of exactly how he should act to get my heart, but I think that matters less - the MOST important thing is that I can trust him to be honest and reliable, and that I love him and he loves me; all the rest (aspie or not aspie, bright or dumb, rich or poor) are details.
And why is it this way? You see, in the Stone Age, if a man and a woman had sex, and things didn't work out, this would happen:
A: The man had empty testicles.
B: The woman had a baby.
It's all about what you risk: It is WAY more dangerous for your genes' survival to be alone in the woods with a newborn than to empty your testicles. Imagine the Stone Age situation: A woman is alone in the woods, she has just delivered, she's physically weak and frail, there's a helpless baby and everything stinks miles away of fresh meat and blood. Now, imagine you're a hungry saber-toothed tiger. What would you do next? ... If you answered "EAT", you're correct! A lone woman with a baby is a sitting target for predators. Therefore, she needs a man to protect her from harm.
In today's society, things are much more complicated than during the apeman stage, but it is still basically the same: A woman wants a man so she can procreate and not get eaten by something with big, nasty teeth. It is programmed into our genes. Now, genes and environment interact in extremely complex ways, so this little explanation covers only a small part of human love, and there are loads of exceptions - homosexuals, asexuals, bisexuals, people who don't want children etc.. These people are just as normal and natural as everyone else is; as aspies we should know that a RARE trait is not necessarily a WRONG trait.
So, basically, what should you do?
The woman doesn't prepare herself for just sex with you (at least if that woman is me); she prepares for a potential long-term relationship or, at the most extreme, even marriage. Therefore: She knows she'll have to endure you, with everything whom you are, for a potential very long time. The best advice I can give you is:
1. Be honest (or at least be honest about your dishonesty).
2. Be yourself (or at least don't play a role).
3. Be reliable (or at least work on it).
4. BE PREPARED FOR MARRIAGE, LAUNDRY, KIDS, DUTIES AND MORE LAUNDRY!
Oh, and btw., sometimes she doesn't want sex. Or romance. Or attention. She just wants to be left alone.
I hope that was helpful!
Dear OP. How are you "formally" diagnosed with ASD?
You mention porn too much.
I'm straight and don't want kids...why? Because you can do so much without having another thing you gotta' take care of...24/7 for the next 18-30+ years.
It's more dangerous to my well-being be "create" a kid or two with my testicles than to camp out in the woods.
Go ahead and commit yourself and loved one to a life of slavery to your future children.
Women can take care of themselves nowadays. There are no tigers roaming to bite your head off.
Women don't need a man unfortunately, they have toys for those. Even in studies where scientists examined deaths of couples, the women usually ended up living longer if the husband passed away first.
