What's WRONG with me?! I think Hitler was hot!! !
Nambo wrote:
What I was surprised to learn from that book was the Russians also acting in this way and their actions not being curtailed by the Communist Jewish leaders for political reasons as they didnt want Communism to be viewed by the anti-Semitic nations they where hoping to bring Communism to, as being a pro-Jewish party, so even high ranking Jews where allowing the continuation of Jewish ethnic cleansing, the perpetuating of the Holocaust after the war had ended.
Well many Ukrainians had joined nationalist forces semi-associated with the Germans. (And not without provocation, as Stalin had starved millions of them in the early 30s with collectivisation) Many were implicit in the death camps. And many had little to lose by the war's end so went on a rampage against whatever Jews, Russians and Poles they could find before the Red Army came.
Another hidden tale is also how the British and Americans handed over many White Russians (and monarchist Yugoslavs) in the aftermath of WW2 to keep the Russians and Communist Yugoslav forces sweet for the time being, often knowing they were being sent to be shot just over the border. And that the annihilation of Dresden had less to do with military necessity than it did sending a message to Stalin about their force and intentions. And how the Red Army went on a rampage throughout much of Eastern Europe. And how Israel was created because both the Western Allies, and the Soviet Union wanted the Jews to GTFO of Europe and in a trice turn them from expensive refugees (often houses in POW camps with their old SS tormentors) to Zionist Socialist/Western allies bulkwark in the Middle East (although the influx of Orthodox Jews into Zionism quickly diluted out the socialist element and made the Soviet Union ultimately hostile to Israel). And of course how Stalin effectively told the Red Army to allow the German army to crush the Warsaw uprising and allow them to dynamite the city to the ground to make the Poles more pliable and weak, and thus more amenable to the population transfer from Belarussian/Ukrainian lands of Poles into the East prussian lands newly vacated by the Germans who were forced out.
As someone who has studied history in considerable depth, I find people in want to turn history into so kind of absolute morality tale rather hard to stomach.
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Nambo wrote:
Ferrus91 wrote:
Nambo wrote:
Iam reading a book at the moment called "Savage Continent" about how even after the Nazis where defeated and out of the way, Europeans continued to suffer ethnic cleansing, tortures and other atrocities, one Dutch man who had been in German concentration camps and then experienced Polish concentration camps after the war said, " I would rather spend 10 years in Auschwitz than 1 day in a Polish camp", for revenge always tends to escalate, now the book goes into detail the treatment of the Women of occupied countries who had slept with, or married Nazi soldiers, the reasons the Women give for being traitors to their country and menfolk are exactly the same reasons that you give, so you are by far not unique in your perversions, only in the way you have artificially exposed yourself in a fantasy way to what for them was a reality.
I have read that book. It was a convenient fiction that anti-semitism was a German thing exclusively, it certainly wasn't. And the Nazis used the old divide and conquer methodology as well as the Roman or British empire did in their short-lived European mastery.
And not just in that book, I have read many books describing the actions of the Polish to the Jews who thought it would be safe to return to Poland once the Nazis where gone and the war had ended, only to be taken off trains and shot in the back of the head by Poles complaining that the Nazis had not finished the job.
What I was surprised to learn from that book was the Russians also acting in this way and their actions not being curtailed by the Communist Jewish leaders for political reasons as they didnt want Communism to be viewed by the anti-Semitic nations they where hoping to bring Communism to, as being a pro-Jewish party, so even high ranking Jews where allowing the continuation of Jewish ethnic cleansing, the perpetuating of the Holocaust after the war had ended.
What was the name of this book must've missed it in the last post?
I also find it funny, well more tragic, that people often look at the end of a war and a return home in the history as a "good job men, welcome back home, enjoy the peace!" scenario. When in reality most of the time things don't get better immediately after the wars end. If you want to look up something semi-relative to the history of Poland post WWII then look up Vietnam post Vietnamese War(make sure you look up the right war, as there were several Vietnam Wars).
*edit: Can't believe how dumb I am the book title was starring me in the face this whole time! Anyways sounds like a good book I'll have to check it out sometime. Also if you want one that's the Chinese perspective and, this a very accurate title, the check out "Rape of Nanking".
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FrankiDelano wrote:
I also find it funny, well more tragic, that people often look at the end of a war and a return home in the history as a "good job men, welcome back home, enjoy the peace!" scenario. When in reality most of the time things don't get better immediately after the wars end. If you want to look up something semi-relative to the history of Poland post WWII then look up Vietnam post Vietnamese War(make sure you look up the right war, as there were several Vietnam Wars).
The war had a positive effect for many working class Europeans and Americans. A combination of the unharnessed capital suddenly unleashed by the end of the war, the need to rebuild, the technology opened by the war and a favourable international trading environment among the Western bloc due to US power, combined with new welfare systems designed to offer a shiny alternative to the grey faceless monotony of Eastern bloc lives meant that they had it pretty good. The colonies were still basically dependent, and half a century off showing any degree of economic independence, which meant that Western workers, especially skilled Western workers in industrial professions could make excellent wages historically as they had a captive audience. The Korean war, and later the Vietnam war punctuated that (as did colonial struggles for many European states), but essentially it was an economic golden age. Which ended quietly in the late 70s, was stoked up in the 80s into the almighty crash we have now. And the average working class Westerner is frankly overpriced and underemployed in the world market.
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mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Well there's no denying (heh, get it? xD) that the Nazis had some pretty badass looking uniforms and military gear, and somehow whenever I play a WWII-themed game I get a kick out of playing as the Germans and being "evil", but at the same time I'm actually quite against Nazism, neo-Nazism, and all other forms of fascism, authoritarianism, and discrimination in real life, and I most definitely do NOT endorse the actions the Nazis were responsible for.
I'm the same way about the Soviets; I think they had cool looking gear and I get a kick out of playing as them in Cold War-themed games, but at the same time I don't actually endorse their actions or ideologies. Additionally, as I am part Ukrainian, I kind of have an axe to grind with them for Holodomor, also known as the Ukrainian Holocaust, where Stalin stole all the Ukrainians' food and forced them to starve.
I'm the same way about the Soviets; I think they had cool looking gear and I get a kick out of playing as them in Cold War-themed games, but at the same time I don't actually endorse their actions or ideologies. Additionally, as I am part Ukrainian, I kind of have an axe to grind with them for Holodomor, also known as the Ukrainian Holocaust, where Stalin stole all the Ukrainians' food and forced them to starve.
The Sith have badass looking uniform and they have light sabers. They sort of look like nazis.
You could use them to replace them to replace your Nazi fetish and well I would imagine star wars cosplay is a bit more easygoing than dressing up as a Nazi and going for a walk.

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OfficiallyWeirdo wrote:
I've been having this problem ever since I realized that there is an opposite gender and you can have a romantic relationship with them.
Well, the problem is... I'm sexually attracted to Hitler and other high-ranking Nazis (though I would NEVER date a Neo-Nazi!).
I'm NOT a Holocaust denier. I do NOT hate the Jews. I am NOT a Nazi. So, what can explain this?
In part, they're my special interest, but I don't do a lot of reading about them, contradictory to my other special interests. I just keep looking at photos of the same perhaps 10 Nazi war criminals over and over and over again... For HOURS a day.
It's something with old black-and-white photos, I think. They make everything seem strangely sensual and appealing. And then there are those perfectly-fitted uniforms, the military boots, the marches... And, perhaps most importantly, the leading Nazis were really interesting people! When looking at a happy family propaganda film with the Goebbels family, for instance, I know "yeah, they weren't really a happy family at all!". I can look at Himmler knowing who he really was deep inside, look at Heydrich and know he was a power-mad jerk etc.. I've read about them, so I know them as people, and I'm very fascinated with the mix of deeply ideological thinking, brilliant minds and total power-madness.
It's a mix of it all. The manliness, the power, the intelligence, the ability to sway a whole people, marching soldiers with military boots, heiling for a lost cause... Yeah, I don't really know why, but I'm seriously sexually attracted to all that.
My sexual fantasies are centered around Nazis and me in a BDSM-like story together. Sometimes I punish, slap and humiliate the Nazis... Sometimes they punish, slap and humiliate me.
So, erm... Why am I this way? Should I stop looking at Nazi photos in an erotic manner? Is this a bad thing?
Again, I'm NOT a Nazi!
Well, the problem is... I'm sexually attracted to Hitler and other high-ranking Nazis (though I would NEVER date a Neo-Nazi!).
I'm NOT a Holocaust denier. I do NOT hate the Jews. I am NOT a Nazi. So, what can explain this?
In part, they're my special interest, but I don't do a lot of reading about them, contradictory to my other special interests. I just keep looking at photos of the same perhaps 10 Nazi war criminals over and over and over again... For HOURS a day.
It's something with old black-and-white photos, I think. They make everything seem strangely sensual and appealing. And then there are those perfectly-fitted uniforms, the military boots, the marches... And, perhaps most importantly, the leading Nazis were really interesting people! When looking at a happy family propaganda film with the Goebbels family, for instance, I know "yeah, they weren't really a happy family at all!". I can look at Himmler knowing who he really was deep inside, look at Heydrich and know he was a power-mad jerk etc.. I've read about them, so I know them as people, and I'm very fascinated with the mix of deeply ideological thinking, brilliant minds and total power-madness.
It's a mix of it all. The manliness, the power, the intelligence, the ability to sway a whole people, marching soldiers with military boots, heiling for a lost cause... Yeah, I don't really know why, but I'm seriously sexually attracted to all that.
My sexual fantasies are centered around Nazis and me in a BDSM-like story together. Sometimes I punish, slap and humiliate the Nazis... Sometimes they punish, slap and humiliate me.
So, erm... Why am I this way? Should I stop looking at Nazi photos in an erotic manner? Is this a bad thing?
Again, I'm NOT a Nazi!
Although i do find this attraction/"fetish" of yours strange and pretty weird, I have no judgement against you. In all honesty i do hate everything the Nazi's did, and actually dislike them pretty much, yes i guess there were two sites to them - the person looking out for their family, the other the mean, psychopathic like person taking innocent lives in the most horrid way. Most "common sense" people (including me) would instantly upon learning all the bad things they did, determine that these people were when all comes to all bad, and not worthy of neither respect or being "liked". Many Nazi's were in my opinion Sadist's, aka i think they enjoyed hurting people.
Therefore i come to think that, have you maybe experienced growing up in a home were people hurt each other, or maybe you have witnessed "sadistic" type behavior in your childhood maybe done by someone you used to trust/ look up to - just one traumatic incident is enough to make a big impact on you, and even change your personality traits to some extent. This is just a wild guess, but if some of the examples above actually has happened to you while growing up, this might explain your "attraction" to these loud, strict sadistic leader types, who dominated over many people / bossed people around.
Or maybe you just happen to have a somewhat strange Taboo type fetish. Fair enough that it's weird, but again i won't hold that against.
You could also be what many would call a Masochist - someone who likes being hurt by themselves or others.
Don't be to hard on yourself about this though, your not alone in having fantasies and interests that are considered weird and taboo.
But if you really feel embarrassed about this, if you wan't to find out why this is in your case, maybe you should consider seeing a GOOD shrink, who'm you can talk to about how it affects you etc, who can help you find out more about maybe the cause of it, and who might also help you to sort out those things/habits you'd like to be rid off etc. If you like to get a shrink, just remember that it is important that you find a proper and professional one, someone who takes his/her patients seriously and who'm doesn't take advantage of them.
Many cultures and civilizations have committed atrocious crimes that we would consider barbaric, cruel and inhuman but yes, they are also guilty of it. The fact that insufferable acts of cruelty, war crimes, slavery and rape happen today make me question the nature of humanity.
I, for one question how a human being could ever gas a woman or child, only to go home the same evening and laugh with their family, feel connected or even call themselves a human being.
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