OkCupid experiences?
I've had a few great dates here and there but nothing long-term. I was most successful with my messages when they included thoughtful questions and a bit of humor. From what I've learned\heard, guys should expect to have to send out messages liberally; it's a numbers game. The more messages you send, the more likely you are to hear back from someone. For women, it's more a matter of just weeding out messages (and there will be tons of them) to find someone acceptable. Good luck.
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And the probability for the girl who's responding you to be unacceptable (trashy character) can be as high as the % of unacceptable guys that girls weed out.
The vast majority of people with the same interests had "conservative" and "theist" as dealbreakers.
(I'm a Christian and vote either Republican or Libertarian)
I'm an agnostic, usually vote Republican, and have views that are mostly libertarian-conservative. So, it is tough to find people who share my views concerning both religion and politics. However, I am totally okay with a Christian woman, seeing as I am a "wait until marriage" type of person who completely shuns drugs, alcohol, and just about every vice (except for fried foods).
I am a Christian, and definitely can't do the abstinence thing (in fact, I would need sex after just 3-4 dates). I have no problem dating someone who votes Democratic. However, animated sitcoms (Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, etc.) do not have much of a female fan base, at least not in Houston.
The bolded part makes me curious - how do you define "need" in this regard? I've heard guys before say they "need" sex (vs. really, really want it). To me, need is something that if not addressed will result in some kind of harm or damage to the deprived person. (I'm serious here - this is something that has always perplexed me.) So my question is: is it really a need (as in your health will be compromised without it) or just a really strong want?
I've been trying to understand men for 40+ years. If I don't ask now, I may never "get it"! LOL
The vast majority of people with the same interests had "conservative" and "theist" as dealbreakers.
(I'm a Christian and vote either Republican or Libertarian)
I'm an agnostic, usually vote Republican, and have views that are mostly libertarian-conservative. So, it is tough to find people who share my views concerning both religion and politics. However, I am totally okay with a Christian woman, seeing as I am a "wait until marriage" type of person who completely shuns drugs, alcohol, and just about every vice (except for fried foods).
I am a Christian, and definitely can't do the abstinence thing (in fact, I would need sex after just 3-4 dates). I have no problem dating someone who votes Democratic. However, animated sitcoms (Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, etc.) do not have much of a female fan base, at least not in Houston.
The bolded part makes me curious - how do you define "need" in this regard? I've heard guys before say they "need" sex (vs. really, really want it). To me, need is something that if not addressed will result in some kind of harm or damage to the deprived person. (I'm serious here - this is something that has always perplexed me.) So my question is: is it really a need (as in your health will be compromised without it) or just a really strong want?
I've been trying to understand men for 40+ years. If I don't ask now, I may never "get it"! LOL
My father got my mother to have sex with him by claiming her not having sex with him was causing him serious physical pain. Turned out his liver was falling apart due to alcoholism but mother was too young and naive and believed him. If he wasn't such a selfish bastard and she wasn't so easily seduced, I wouldn't have had to endure this life. So yeah, be careful about throwing 'needs' around.
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As a guy, sex is a transition point for me. If after a certain point the girl still is uncomfortable with me and doesn't trust me than I interpret that as a sign that it's not going to work out. The other problem is that the more I like a girl the hornier I get to the point where thinking about her starts to be disruptive to my daily routines. Furthermore sex is a tool for expressing affection and further ingratiating myself with the girl. It's also just fun! Opening up to sex opens all sorts of options in the relationship (including non-sexual ones). The state of the sex life is a barometer for how things are going in the relationship and I use it to tell if there is something wrong that I'm not being told about. That said, if there is no sex life that sends a barometer reading as well.
If a girl doesn't want to have sex after a month or two there are 4 reasons I can think of off the top of my head: religion, a deal-breaker for me; lack of attraction, not a good sign; emotional issues, possibly from bad experiences; trust issues, as mentioned. In my experience sex enhances good relationships and stresses bad ones to the breaking point. The longer you wait to have sex the longer it takes to bring out these issues. I dated a girl who wasn't attracted to me for months, another one with a ridiculously low libido (or not attracted). Conversely I dated a girl who only wanted to have sex in risky situations and I'd known her for months and it came out of left field. I once refused to have sex with a girl because I was in limerance with her and she was just "experimenting," so the issues can exist going the other way as well. Without moving to that level, however, the relationships could have gone on a long time with these underlying hidden issues yet undiscovered. They could even go on to the point where the value of the relationship transcends the failings in that realm... for a few years and then you have a 50% divorce rate.
The larger issue with "waiting" to have sex is the mythology surrounding it. The mythologies surrounding the emotions involved in sex, love, and commitment are powerful motivators in the early relationship but the platitudes fall short when it comes to maintenance. People for whom those mythologies are truer than fact require a level of social intelligence I simply do not posses to maintain. They also a require a level of income that I simply don't have. I am perfectly capable of having a loving relationship and have had several. But with a lot of people the relationship can completely fail for failing to properly dress the stage and put on the proper act at the proper time. Now, for the people who live in these myths successfully pulling off the act is a great boon, my friend recently spent 12,000 getting the circumstances exactly right to propose to his girlfriend at Christmas. She looks very happy in the pictures but she turned him down 2 times before and the only difference this time was better stage direction. 12,000 in lights and whatnot does not change the reasons she said no before, but now she has said yes due to being overwhelmed. How will that hold up in 5 or 10 years??? I don't know. But I do know that I would never be able to do better than that and eventually the glee of having a live action romance novella played out before your eyes will fade.
That is the association I have with waiting. It's a sign that the person I am with has more emotional needs then I can ever hope to satisfy.
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If a girl doesn't want to have sex after a month or two there are 4 reasons I can think of off the top of my head: religion, a deal-breaker for me; lack of attraction, not a good sign; emotional issues, possibly from bad experiences; trust issues, as mentioned. In my experience sex enhances good relationships and stresses bad ones to the breaking point. The longer you wait to have sex the longer it takes to bring out these issues. I dated a girl who wasn't attracted to me for months, another one with a ridiculously low libido (or not attracted). Conversely I dated a girl who only wanted to have sex in risky situations and I'd known her for months and it came out of left field. I once refused to have sex with a girl because I was in limerance with her and she was just "experimenting," so the issues can exist going the other way as well. Without moving to that level, however, the relationships could have gone on a long time with these underlying hidden issues yet undiscovered. They could even go on to the point where the value of the relationship transcends the failings in that realm... for a few years and then you have a 50% divorce rate.
The larger issue with "waiting" to have sex is the mythology surrounding it. The mythologies surrounding the emotions involved in sex, love, and commitment are powerful motivators in the early relationship but the platitudes fall short when it comes to maintenance. People for whom those mythologies are truer than fact require a level of social intelligence I simply do not posses to maintain. They also a require a level of income that I simply don't have. I am perfectly capable of having a loving relationship and have had several. But with a lot of people the relationship can completely fail for failing to properly dress the stage and put on the proper act at the proper time. Now, for the people who live in these myths successfully pulling off the act is a great boon, my friend recently spent 12,000 getting the circumstances exactly right to propose to his girlfriend at Christmas. She looks very happy in the pictures but she turned him down 2 times before and the only difference this time was better stage direction. 12,000 in lights and whatnot does not change the reasons she said no before, but now she has said yes due to being overwhelmed. How will that hold up in 5 or 10 years??? I don't know. But I do know that I would never be able to do better than that and eventually the glee of having a live action romance novella played out before your eyes will fade.
That is the association I have with waiting. It's a sign that the person I am with has more emotional needs then I can ever hope to satisfy.
This is an excellent explanation - thank you!!
The vast majority of people with the same interests had "conservative" and "theist" as dealbreakers.
(I'm a Christian and vote either Republican or Libertarian)
I'm an agnostic, usually vote Republican, and have views that are mostly libertarian-conservative. So, it is tough to find people who share my views concerning both religion and politics. However, I am totally okay with a Christian woman, seeing as I am a "wait until marriage" type of person who completely shuns drugs, alcohol, and just about every vice (except for fried foods).
I am a Christian, and definitely can't do the abstinence thing (in fact, I would need sex after just 3-4 dates). I have no problem dating someone who votes Democratic. However, animated sitcoms (Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, etc.) do not have much of a female fan base, at least not in Houston.
The bolded part makes me curious - how do you define "need" in this regard? I've heard guys before say they "need" sex (vs. really, really want it). To me, need is something that if not addressed will result in some kind of harm or damage to the deprived person. (I'm serious here - this is something that has always perplexed me.) So my question is: is it really a need (as in your health will be compromised without it) or just a really strong want?
I've been trying to understand men for 40+ years. If I don't ask now, I may never "get it"! LOL
Most men have a pretty strong libido just because of testosterone levels. And without going into graphic detail, mmen are physiologically designed to be capable of reproduction at any time, and psychologically compelled to do so. Failure to achieve this psychological imperative can lead to mental problems and the development of paraphilias. So yeah, it is pretty important.
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On one hand, $12K on a proposal sounds nucking futs. Although if I were very wealthy and it was like spending $120 for me, then maybe, as "expensive," is relative to wealth. I, too, wonder if their relationship will last or if she merely agreed due to being overwhelmed... all the more reason for a financially well off guy not to utilize monetary wealth like that in a proposal, IMO.
But OTOH, I admire his persistence & stepping up his game to show his true intentions and feelings for her. I can relate to this. I've had a crush on my closest friend for a few years now, and in the past when I brought up the issue of us dating a couple of times the answer was no.. and for very reasonable reasons. I've since changed significantly and the objections he had then have either been removed, or are going, and so I still intend to approach the subject again in the future because it's what I truly want & cannot be dissuaded from doing so.
The story you posted, and my own, reminds me of a friend of mine and his wife. At their wedding they shared the story that when he first asked her out she said no. Same with the second time and so on. But his persistence ended up in them dating, living together, and then after a handful of years getting married a couple of Summers ago. I never knew until then that she had turned him down a few times in the very beginning as they always seemed like a well matched couple. Their story gives me.. hope. Further to that, he was a guy that was, as his reputation went.. quite good with women. In other words, he got laid a lot. Yet there was something about her that made him want her, and her turning him down that made him want her more. Same goes for me, sorta, as I've been more sexually successful than even he ever was, yet I've never wanted to be with anyone more than I'd like to be partnered up with my closest friend. And so, needless to say, I continue to work on all of the things about myself and my life that remove his objections & make me a more attractive person.. then if it's meant to be, I'll be able to give it my best possible shot. If it's never meant to be, I'll still be a bette more attractive me to someone else - so, win-win in the end. Obviously I'd prefer to never have to rely on a "plan b," though. Heh.
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Now I gotta ask - does that mean than women are physiologically designed to nurture, and psychologically compelled to do so? And would failure to achieve this psychological imperative be an equal problem? I've heard it said many times "men need sex to feel loved, women need to feel loved to have sex."
(Really, really, REALLY not trying to initiate a battle of the sexes here.....these are things I don't ever get to ask men about in real life, and I'm eternally curious.

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Now I gotta ask - does that mean than women are physiologically designed to nurture, and psychologically compelled to do so? And would failure to achieve this psychological imperative be an equal problem? I've heard it said many times "men need sex to feel loved, women need to feel loved to have sex."
(Really, really, REALLY not trying to initiate a battle of the sexes here.....these are things I don't ever get to ask men about in real life, and I'm eternally curious.

Yes, pretty much. And that quote rings true.
That's one of the main differences between men and women. Men get physical gratification out of sex (mostly, there can be emotion, too - of course) and women don't even typically become aroused without feeling an emotional connection first and foremost. It's just the way it is between the biological makeup differences between men and women.
Now to add a whole new element to the mix.. I'm a gay man & have a crush on my closest gay friend - who isn't feminine, but isn't the most masculine guy ever either. Trying to figure out exactly what to say/do towards my favourite homo is, IMO, more challenging than the typical heterosexual friendship/relationship because I can't assume he's thinking/feeling like a guy or more like a woman & have to try to adjust to him on the fly. Difficult, but not impossible, and so.. I try. But yeah, it adds a whole new different dynamic & 50 shades of grey to the whole dance compared to the much simpler black and white rules that govern heterosexual relationships, IMO.
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Now I gotta ask - does that mean than women are physiologically designed to nurture, and psychologically compelled to do so? And would failure to achieve this psychological imperative be an equal problem? I've heard it said many times "men need sex to feel loved, women need to feel loved to have sex."
(Really, really, REALLY not trying to initiate a battle of the sexes here.....these are things I don't ever get to ask men about in real life, and I'm eternally curious.

Because sex is one of the very few love proofs women offer to men, you women are simply very cheapstake to us men, you don't buy us dinners, lobsters, flowers, chocolate, teddy bears, diamond rings to prove your love...




Now let the battle of sexes begins!!

Now I gotta ask - does that mean than women are physiologically designed to nurture, and psychologically compelled to do so? And would failure to achieve this psychological imperative be an equal problem? I've heard it said many times "men need sex to feel loved, women need to feel loved to have sex."
(Really, really, REALLY not trying to initiate a battle of the sexes here.....these are things I don't ever get to ask men about in real life, and I'm eternally curious.

Nah, I'm not trying to go all Biotruths in here. Our brain juices compel us to do certain things or behave in certain ways. The levels and effects vary from person to person. Ideally they're supposed to contribute to avoiding death and successful reproduction, but there are a million ways that can go wrong.
As for nurturing, I read an article recently that most healthy adults feel a kind of "high" when nurturing their baby, regardless of gender.
The few women on OKC I even find attractive never respond....and many just aren't my type ( have dogs, are too outdoorsy, are wicked shallow and/or too religious. some even smoke or drink heavily, which are turn-offs ). Not really sure why I even bother
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