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31 Dec 2013, 5:30 pm

Fnords list is a good one. But I know I don't have my own place and I share a house with three roommates to save up some money and cut down on my past debts. But I drive safely and have my own car that I paid for and am gainfully employed. With hygiene and sorting these two key money factors out, I would engage in social activities and interesting hobbies to meet new people. Pretty much how I approached it.


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31 Dec 2013, 5:30 pm

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the biggest impediment to having a successful social life is being concerned with some arbitrary bar of "success" in your social life. People are attracted to people who make them feel good. If you stress out about not having a girlfriend or enough friends you will shoot yourself in the foot every time. For NT girls going on a date is a casual affair. Sure they think about it but mostly they watch netflicks or do what they would normally do. If it works out: great. If it doesn't work out... well f**k but not a big deal. Dates are just something to do to pass the time.

Now, if you are anything like I can be, that is not how you approach a date at all. I sometimes catching myself thinking: This is such a wonderful, beautiful person who will make me happy! *cue unicorn farting a rainbow.* Now, if that sounds a bit like the preamble to wedding vows... well it could probably serve. All that emotional sh** is supposed to come later. In order: dating addresses boredom, dating 1 person addresses trust, having a relationship addresses emotion and then sex. Unless you are addressing boredom with sex in which case emotion and trust are a non-factor.

If you try to start the relationship by addressing emotion you are just going to be wayyy to intense. because at that stage of the relationship emotion is not your responsibility. You should not be "happy" on a date, you should be amused. If you are looking for anything more than amusement you will likely get nothing. You also need to provide amusement, since that is what your date is there for.

Some people are going around specifically to find love, but you still need to fill their needs in the order stated. When you are first dating you are just a distraction. And that is perfectly fine. You just need to be a damn good distraction and you will get to be distracting more often. If you come in thinking the other person is going to solve your emotional issues or vice-versa it's like trying to cross a river in one step when there are perfectly good stepping stones to follow if you would just take your time. The end result of overstepping is getting dumped.


This is great! I totally never looked at it this way.....wish I'd been so wise at 23!

I added the "NT" above (and it might apply to NT men, as well), because I think Aspie women (at least me) are exactly the same as you describe in what I underlined. Now I know.....when/if I start dating again, I will just treat it as a distraction, not something to stress about....if that's possible. After all, it is *still* a social situation, which is where I am at my worst. :wink:



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31 Dec 2013, 6:11 pm

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The only situation where "normal people can instantly hook up, flirt, and get into relationships without even trying" is the fantasy land of TV


Not really. I roomed with a guy who came back to our dorm with a different woman at will. It's a combination of charisma and not being ugly.


Hi TheGoggles

Guess he was part of "the lucky minority", depending on your perspective :) That description sounds pretty shallow, empty and somewhat meaningless. But, to each their own.



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31 Dec 2013, 8:39 pm

Tokename wrote:
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The only situation where "normal people can instantly hook up, flirt, and get into relationships without even trying" is the fantasy land of TV


Not really. I roomed with a guy who came back to our dorm with a different woman at will. It's a combination of charisma and not being ugly.


Hi TheGoggles

Guess he was part of "the lucky minority", depending on your perspective :) That description sounds pretty shallow, empty and somewhat meaningless. But, to each their own.


Oh, he was an objectively terrible person in nearly every way. But he was willing to be my friend and share his..."stash" with me, so I was willing to put up with a lot.



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31 Dec 2013, 9:12 pm

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Is there some sort of magical key out there that will suddenly unlock the door to social success.... (and therefore dating ?)


You could work on building up a social circle, as that does put you into contact with more women. Some of it is just time, experience, and open people, just don't turn down offers like parties, going to nightclubs or being asked around to play xbox. Having a job helps a lot, I know that much for sure.

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I have always felt like I was massively clued out on this big secret that all of the other normal people out there take for granted....

To me, it just feels like normal people can instantly hook up, flirt, and get into relationships without even trying. I am 28 and no girl has EVER agreed to go on a date with me. (needless to say i have never kissed or engaged in sexual relations of any kind).



I do believe they put work into this, and when they were in their teens it would have been a learning process. The problem is you can't just start off on the easy setting like they did, as you're starting late.

Try dating sites. Just don't mention being an aspie unless you're heading into a relationship, no need for people to get the wrong idea unless they need to know.

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To me, it feels like normal people are instantly in this giant secret club, where they can all talk with each-other freely, and can easily pick each-other up for relationships.


I know how you feel lol. It's just that feeling of "What is it other people have, that I don't?" or "What is it about me that repels others?". It's a load of crap thinking (and harmful to your chances), it just comes down to poor social skills really.

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All I seriously want is for just ONE girl to show a real, serious interest in me...


Cliche but - learn to be happy being alone. Be aware of your needs though and set yourself goals. Women pick up on it if you want it too badly, and remember a normal relationship is not considered a real commitment by most people (perhaps due to relationships being more available to them?).



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01 Jan 2014, 1:21 am

Most nt people I know do routinely have sex with people they've just met, though. To them a week of talking is a long time while to me nothing seems to change about relationships I have with others over the course of months or years. You can proclaim that it's difficult but most people find difficulty in finding the right people while we can't seem to find anyone at all who will give us a chance no matter how appealing we are physically or otherwise.



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01 Jan 2014, 1:27 am

this is complete and utter sajifdsjlfdsjlkfds. AN NT in your life may be getting laid every week, so if there are 52 NT's in your life chances are one of them is getting laid and the others are gossiping about it. Only about 2% of people actually have hyper-sex-lives where they have different partners all the time. the rest are lucky to get some action every 6 months or more and rely heavily on alcohol induced stupor to enhance their dating skills.


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01 Jan 2014, 1:31 am

buffinator wrote:
this is complete and utter sajifdsjlfdsjlkfds. AN NT in your life may be getting laid every week, so if there are 52 NT's in your life chances are one of them is getting laid and the others are gossiping about it. Only about 2% of people actually have hyper-sex-lives where they have different partners all the time. the rest are lucky to get some action every 6 months or more and rely heavily on alcohol induced stupor to enhance their dating skills.

Four friends of mine who just met each other last week have had sex about 8 times between them all and none find that particularly unusual. Maybe some people are socially awkward but young adults as a whole have sex all the time.

I don't understand the alcohol thing because I've done drugs and I drink socially and none of it ever made a difference or put me on anybody's radar.



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01 Jan 2014, 2:59 am

... to summarize: bulshit bulshit bulshit, wine is good.

EDIT: to clarify I made a drunk post I deleted


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01 Jan 2014, 10:55 am

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According to a lot of conversations in threads on WP, it's only Aspies and Autistics that are the ones who have talents and college or university education, and NTs are the ''stupid'' ones what are just happy just living in squalor and having no educational degree, as long as they have friends and are always on the go socialising nothing else matters. That's not what I believe, but it's what I thought some Aspies here believed about NTs.

Then they are wrong, and can easily be ignored.


Yer but it's still difficult not to find it irksome to read so many discussions here mentioning it. It confuses me.


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01 Jan 2014, 11:43 am

buffinator wrote:
... to summarize: bulshit bulshit bulshit, wine is good.


bulls**t wine. Is that similar to Cats Pee on a Gooseberry Bush wine?

Yes look it's a real Sauvignon Blanc



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01 Jan 2014, 11:56 am

hurtloam wrote:
buffinator wrote:
... to summarize: bulshit bulshit bulshit, wine is good.


bulls**t wine. Is that similar to Cats Pee on a Gooseberry Bush wine?

Yes look it's a real Sauvignon Blanc


I don't know about that one... I think I'd rather have fat bastatd pinot grigio or chardonnay.


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01 Jan 2014, 12:52 pm

Fnord wrote:
buffinator wrote:
the biggest impediment to having a successful social life is being concerned with some arbitrary bar of "success" in your social life. People are attracted to people who make them feel good. If you stress out about not having a girlfriend or enough friends you will shoot yourself in the foot every time.

This, for the win!

The more a person obsesses about being "popular", the more likely they are to sabotage their social lives. Also, the more anxious a person is about getting a relationship going, the less likely they are to even start one.

These are not hard-and-fast rules, but they do seem to prevail.


Its tricky getting the balance. Look too disinterested and no one knows you want to date them.



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01 Jan 2014, 1:45 pm

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For the rest of us, it mostly involves:
  • Good personal hygiene
  • College or University education
  • Gratifying and stable career
  • Generosity / Hospitality
  • Expressive talent (dancing, music, painting, poetry, et cetera)
  • An optimistic and up-beat attitude (i.e. no complaints or melt-downs)
  • A place to live (all your own)
  • Reliable transportation (all your own)
  • Fashionable clothing
  • Accessibility and attention to others
That seems to cover most of what is needed, unless you've just won a major award (i.e. "Emmy", lottery, "Oscar", Nobel Peace Prize, et cetera).


What do you do when you have all of those things and still struggle immensely?



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01 Jan 2014, 2:40 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Fnord wrote:
buffinator wrote:
the biggest impediment to having a successful social life is being concerned with some arbitrary bar of "success" in your social life. People are attracted to people who make them feel good. If you stress out about not having a girlfriend or enough friends you will shoot yourself in the foot every time.

This, for the win!

The more a person obsesses about being "popular", the more likely they are to sabotage their social lives. Also, the more anxious a person is about getting a relationship going, the less likely they are to even start one.

These are not hard-and-fast rules, but they do seem to prevail.


Its tricky getting the balance. Look too disinterested and no one knows you want to date them.


that is true, but part of being a "date" is sexualizing the experience. Make jokes about sex, innuendo (in-YOUR-endo). The goal is to make the convo fun and lighthearted while also making the other person ridiculously horny and want to tear your clothes off if not for social customs. A lot of what "love" starts off as is the byproduct of repressed lust. Eventually that solidifies into it's own thing.

Not all "sexualization" is about sex, for example. Playing guitar makes girls who like guitar players horny, artist's painting etc, bodybuilder's bodies and the feats they accomplish with them. Having a talent or skill to show off is exponentially better than just 1v1 sexy talk in the early stages. Why? because she can brag about those kind of talents more freely and receive positive feedback loops from friends. On the other hand that joke that your dick is big but not so big it's going to rise out of the ocean and destroy half of Singapore (cockzilla), is not necessarily something she can repeat to her friends. (no matter how clever it is).

... please dont ask.


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01 Jan 2014, 5:43 pm

buffinator wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
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buffinator wrote:
the biggest impediment to having a successful social life is being concerned with some arbitrary bar of "success" in your social life. People are attracted to people who make them feel good. If you stress out about not having a girlfriend or enough friends you will shoot yourself in the foot every time.

This, for the win!

The more a person obsesses about being "popular", the more likely they are to sabotage their social lives. Also, the more anxious a person is about getting a relationship going, the less likely they are to even start one.

These are not hard-and-fast rules, but they do seem to prevail.


Its tricky getting the balance. Look too disinterested and no one knows you want to date them.


that is true, but part of being a "date" is sexualizing the experience. Make jokes about sex, innuendo (in-YOUR-endo). The goal is to make the convo fun and lighthearted while also making the other person ridiculously horny and want to tear your clothes off if not for social customs. A lot of what "love" starts off as is the byproduct of repressed lust. Eventually that solidifies into it's own thing.

Not all "sexualization" is about sex, for example. Playing guitar makes girls who like guitar players horny, artist's painting etc, bodybuilder's bodies and the feats they accomplish with them. Having a talent or skill to show off is exponentially better than just 1v1 sexy talk in the early stages. Why? because she can brag about those kind of talents more freely and receive positive feedback loops from friends. On the other hand that joke that your dick is big but not so big it's going to rise out of the ocean and destroy half of Singapore (cockzilla), is not necessarily something she can repeat to her friends. (no matter how clever it is).

... please dont ask.


Would you say that it is a sign that the relation isn't a right fit if either of the parties are disinclined to engage in sex-talk?