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steverogers
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18 Feb 2014, 11:03 pm

Schneekugel wrote:
I think with the Data example you want to point on the topic of pretend and act to be something/someone else, to please your partner. You end your example with "at the end of the day". The thing is, there is no end of an day in an relationship. You have it 24 hours of day. So you jump up, pretend play for your partner, go to work, pretend play for your coworkers, mabye meet family or other persons after work or do some groceries shopping, pretend play again for them, come home and start again to pretend play for your partner...

The thing is: When do you then want to calm down/relax/be yourself? Pretend play/acting needs ressources, there is a reason why being an actor is a job. If you do a job 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, you will burn out. And more: What benefit could you have from that, when for you having a benefit, it was necessary, that you allow yourself for at least 1 minute to be yourself? Data is a fictional character, played by an actor, that goes home after work, to rest down from playing a role all day.


OK, I think I'll drop that idea.

Sorry about the delay.



Erwin
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20 Feb 2014, 8:51 am

steverogers wrote:
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Why would you be in a relationship if you have to act like a different person around your partner? How on Earth would that be a remotely satisfying relationship, to condition yourself to hide parts of you when you're around the person that you supposedly love? How is it at all healthy to feel like you need to mimic a different person to be attractive to your partner? All of these things point to you needing to break up because you are not compatible. Does it sound rational or respectful to say "I'd like you more if you acted like a different person" ?

Being attracted to someone famous does not imply that it is the only type of person you are attracted to. Feeling like you do not get enough sex does not entitle you to demand that your partner 'put up with sex' just to appease you. If you expect that your partner would cheat on you for not 'putting out' enough, why the hell would you even be with this person? If I ever felt that my partner would cheat on me unless I became a masturbation tool for them, I would dump her as fast as I could, because I would dump anyone who I felt would cheat on me; and I'd recommend anyone else do the same. You should never have to live with the feeling that your partner would cheat on you in a certain circumstance, and if they give you reason to believe they might then you should not be with this person.

Anyone who expects their partner to just put up with it and lay still because they want sex is completely undeserving of being in a relationship at all. If your partner wants to make that compromise on her/his own, then that is their choice, but it is not their duty to, and to expect it from them is neurotic and suggests that you believe you own their body more than they do.[/quote]

For the first statement I have asked a number of other people this question, and they have given more or less the same answer.

However what I don't understand is that if someone is physically and mentally capable of making themselves look a certain way and to embody certain traits or mannerisms to make themselves come across more attractive, then why not do just that? Even if it is only just pretending, the reason why someone is loved/liked is due to what they say and what they do.

For the second statement, while I myself would never, ever pressure a woman into having sex from what I'm led to understand sex is very important to a lot of people, and I don't see why one should have any reason not to lie back and think of England.

There I hope I made myself clearer now.[/quote]

I don't know why sex is considered so awesome. Probably because it's rare. But think about it. Wouldn't it be cool to be "The guy who's too good for it"?



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21 Feb 2014, 10:33 pm

Love and sex have nothing to do with logic... in fact, I was just thinking about earlier today myself and came to the conclusion that logic is actually pretty much the biggest boner-killer in the known universe. If you actually think about what you're doing, everything to do with a sexual relationship seems really, really f*****g stupid. I mean... you're expending a whole bunch of time, effort, and money for the off chance that you might successfully convince another human to like you enough to repeatedly remove their clothing and do things which are... profoundly idiotic, from a strictly logical point of view....

Then you think about everything without overanalyzing the s**t out it, and you remember why you're expending all that effort.


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22 Feb 2014, 7:35 am

Pabalebo wrote:
I mean... you're expending a whole bunch of time, effort, and money for the off chance that you might successfully convince another human to like you enough to repeatedly remove their clothing and do things which are... profoundly idiotic, from a strictly logical point of view....

Is it more illogical to have sex (which to many people feels quite good - seeking pleasure is a rational goal and a happy person often performs better in life), or to let your specie render itself extinct?