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19 Jul 2014, 7:26 am

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I know this won't be very helpful in your situation, and I'm sorry about how things went down. FTR, I hate, Hate, HATE condoms, too.

My wife decided after we had our first child there would be no more birth control. I didn't like it, but I respected her decision.

Some 9 months later, we were really into each other one night after we'd run out of condoms. Typically we'd have unprotected sex about the same time every month and had no issues, so we figured we were ok. However, we misjudged what time of the month it actually was, so a few months later we had baby #2.

A couple of years pass with RELIGIOUS condom use when one night I notice something a little "weird" after making love. 8 months later, baby #3.

We've been just over 2 years since THAT with no incident and my wife FINALLY on her own terms decided to go on the pill. She had just finished her first round of the pill this week when I made the decision that THIS time I wasn't going to stop (to put on a condom). It was like the clouds parted and a light shone forth from heaven, butterflies were everywhere, and bluebirds and angels were singing?

Excellent timing, too, because confirmation she was NOT pregnant came within 8 hours of doing the deed. Much relieved, too, since doctors often recommend protected sex for at least a full month when first using the pill, and we were a little less than a week short of that. But we both hate condoms and feel the act is a lot more complete without them.

My point is you don't have to like condoms and that whole zip-lock thing. But women will tend enjoy getting dirty, getting diseases, and getting babies a lot less, and the pill also has some nasty side-effects that they'd rather not deal with (mood swings?ugh?). Don't get me wrong, I love all 3 of my children and wouldn't give them up for anything. But if this isn't something you're willing to take on and she's unwilling to take the pill, you might do better to just get used to condoms and accept it for the time being. And, as I mentioned with baby #3, condoms aren't perfect, either. You'll just do a lot better learning to live with it.

Again, sorry all that garbage happened to you. I do hope things get turned around for you and you don't get hooked up with any more psychos.


I'm glad you have a happy family, with 3 beautiful kids. Since you are probably not looking for a 4th, some brief advice. If your wife ever gets sick and has to go on antibiotics and then begins to feel better, use a condom when you celebrate. Antibiotics can counteract birth control. Heck, birth control isn't perfect either. My wife got pregnant twice while on birth control, and neither time was she using antibiotics.



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19 Jul 2014, 7:42 am

I agree that bringing up sex after only meeting her once was way too soon...particularly in the way that you brought it up



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19 Jul 2014, 8:01 am

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I agree that bringing up sex after only meeting her once was way too soon...particularly in the way that you brought it up


She brought it up first. And we had discussed things prior to this incident. If anything, she was trying to rush me along. I'm a slow mover when it comes to that.



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19 Jul 2014, 9:28 am

Holy crap! How *can* you discuss sex these days without being labeled a creep?

Seriously, I've been grappling with this one myself for years.

(And FYI, lambskin condoms don't work anyway)


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19 Jul 2014, 3:14 pm

POF seems very biased against men in a lot of ways.

When I was working on movie sets 18 hours a day, most of my recent pictures of myself were shot at work. I was contractually obligated not to post pictures taken on set publicly, so I had one good headshot public and a few candid shots kept private.

I was chatting with a woman, things seemed to be going well, but POF blocked the sending of my private images and she got the idea that I was trying to mislead her about what I looked like or something. I sent the images by email, but she was already paranoid.

POF decided men can't send private pictures because we would only use them to show penises. In my opinion this was an incredibly discriminatory decision, my pictures were all clean. I complained, but they just didn't get it. It was like arguing with a racist that thinks he's not racist because he actually believes he's superior.

Some women look way to hard for "red flags." When something they see as odd occurs they imagine there is some perverse hidden meaning behind it. NTs usually don't say what they mean, they assume everything is "just the tip of the iceberg." They say they want someone honest and direct, but they don't even know what honest and direct looks like. Combine that with the NTs' unhealthy fixation with stories of sexual predators and we get accused of things we couldn't even imagine.

By the way, it's not available in North America yet, but google "vasalgel." It's a male contraceptive injection. Probably won't get approved for another decade or so, but it's interesting reading.



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19 Jul 2014, 3:41 pm

djw2398 wrote:
Stargazer43 wrote:
I agree that bringing up sex after only meeting her once was way too soon...particularly in the way that you brought it up


She brought it up first. And we had discussed things prior to this incident. If anything, she was trying to rush me along. I'm a slow mover when it comes to that.


Oh she wanted a screw buddy no attachments, most likely married as well.
You wanted attachments, a relationship, she didn't.


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19 Jul 2014, 6:06 pm

No big deal to you.

A sexually transmitted disease or unwanted pregnancy just might be a concern of hers. What are you thinking man? Are you even thinking past scoring?



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19 Jul 2014, 6:21 pm

What exactly was it that you said? Because clearly there was something.

The antibiotics/birth control thing isn't true anymore; and yes, many women have trouble with hormonal birth control.

Also, the problem you're having with latex condoms may not be latex; it could be sensitivity to nonoxynol-9, the spermicide, which is a detergent. Try condoms that don't use that for lubrication and see how it goes.



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19 Jul 2014, 6:23 pm

StrangeG, a ridiculous number of men do send penis shots. And my guess is POF doesn't employ a fulltime photo-screening staff to make sure only non-penis shots get through. Hence: no photos. You'll have to take it up with your penis-shot-sending brethren.



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19 Jul 2014, 7:02 pm

Toy_Soldier wrote:
No big deal to you.
A sexually transmitted disease or unwanted pregnancy just might be a concern of hers. What are you thinking man? Are you even thinking past scoring?


I suppose I have a different outlook than most people when it comes to sex. I have never had a one night stand, I have no interest in it, it's meaningless and risky. I never sleep with someone until well into the relationship, I know they are clean and trust them, and contraception is covered (everyone I've ever dated has been on birth control). I know it might sound bad when I don't fully explain myself, haha. That's probably what the issue was. Sometimes I don't realize how things may be taken.



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19 Jul 2014, 7:46 pm

tarantella64 wrote:
StrangeG, a ridiculous number of men do send penis shots. And my guess is POF doesn't employ a fulltime photo-screening staff to make sure only non-penis shots get through. Hence: no photos. You'll have to take it up with your penis-shot-sending brethren.


This. It's really a pretty scuzzy site, although there's plenty of that going around on OKC as well. When I was moderating on there before I killed my account, about 1 in 3 of the reported photos were penis shots, and it was just the publicly-posted ones I was moderating.



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19 Jul 2014, 8:05 pm

tarantella64 wrote:
StrangeG, a ridiculous number of men do send penis shots. And my guess is POF doesn't employ a fulltime photo-screening staff to make sure only non-penis shots get through. Hence: no photos. You'll have to take it up with your penis-shot-sending brethren.


I have no doubt some men do inappropriate things, some women also do inappropriate things. I could go on to give you specific examples of cruel things some women do just for fun on POF, but that would distract from the issue.

POF uses members to screen photos, I have participated in this process and I have seen a lot of women's photos that violated the terms of use in various ways.

It's wrong to consider me somehow responsible for something I have not done, and would not do, based on nothing but my gender. Suggesting that I should take this up with "my penis-shot-sending brethren" is therefore offensive to me. If the situation were reversed and I told you to go deal with all the women responsible for some stereotype, I'm sure you would be offended.

I do not believe misuse of the site is exclusive to either gender. I don't want to get in some pointless debate about which gender misuses it more. I believe POF should treat men and women according to the same standard. I want equality. I mentioned an example where they have openly decided not to treat men and women equally, which seem relevant to the original poster's complaint.

I don't think the real issue here is penis pics or condoms. AngelRho stated a position that was deal-breaker for the woman mentioned, it didn't work out, that should be the end of it. It was wrong to automatically ban the man.

I don't even agree with the position that caused all the fuss. I'm big on responsible behavior. I think he should use vinyl and just get over the fact that it's not as much fun as riding bareback; but it's not my decision to make. He was open about it, and he didn't seem to be trying to pressure anyone into anything. It really doesn't seem like something that should disqualify someone from trying to find companionship.



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19 Jul 2014, 8:15 pm

On OKC, the female-posted nude photos were also reported and deleted. I suspect it was the same on POF, and that any of the photos on either site, male or female, had to be complained about before they went to moderation. My understanding of both of the sites is that inappropriate profiles and privately-sent photos were moderated by the administrators of each site, not the members. My takeaway from the experience was that pretty much anything that received a complaint went to moderation of some type, and was deleted if there was any question whatsoever as to its appropriateness. Copyright violations were sufficient reason for deletion, as well as nudity.



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19 Jul 2014, 8:29 pm

Eureka13 wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
StrangeG, a ridiculous number of men do send penis shots. And my guess is POF doesn't employ a fulltime photo-screening staff to make sure only non-penis shots get through. Hence: no photos. You'll have to take it up with your penis-shot-sending brethren.


This. It's really a pretty scuzzy site, although there's plenty of that going around on OKC as well. When I was moderating on there before I killed my account, about 1 in 3 of the reported photos were penis shots, and it was just the publicly-posted ones I was moderating.


I've only come across one in the moderation Que, it it was very very very tight underwear. I've seen a few topless women.

I don't think the whole penis picture is as big as people make it out. I think it's more likely that those that do it do it a lot.

I have got nude pictures of women. I do not act like its a ridiculous number of women.

if 1 of 4 people does something a lot and it over shadows the others then it would feel like a 3/4 of them do it.



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19 Jul 2014, 8:29 pm

The problem was that I was in no way violating their policies. If they actually did a review of my account, they would have seen that. They have a policy against anything sexual in the first message you send, but this was like at least the 100th, and she brought the subject up first. We had been talking on pof and the phone for about two weeks.



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19 Jul 2014, 8:31 pm

Actually, strangeG, that's basically a guy's thing to do on dating sites, the junk shot. Women aren't so into it.

I don't post photos of myself on dating sites, but if some vast number of women on a private dating site were sending crotch shots and the site admin said, "OK! Enough, no more private-photo sending from women" I'd totally understand it. My guess is the only reason they didn't make it equal-opportunity is that they'd lose huge numbers of men if the men couldn't get the women to send pix.

Sorry, StrangeG, but the harassment scale's tipped pretty heavily to the men's side on dating sites. You should read one of those pieces written by guys who totally didn't believe this and then made up a generic woman's profile, went on pretending to be a woman, and were so shocked and freaked out by what they were subjected to that they shut down their experiments early. It does suck for decent guys, but this is one reason why men have to stop standing on the sidelines when it comes to fighting harassment of women and misogyny.