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15 Jan 2015, 6:51 pm

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There's this girl who checks off every box for me. Thin, beautiful, calm demeanor, smart, eats healthy, exercises often. My dream girl. Someone i would be in a long term relationship without a second thought. Our time together has been wonderful. We stare at eachother for hours, we talk for hours, we cuddle for hours, we've already had sex. I'm 27 she is 26 years old.

Here's the issue though. I make just above mimimum wage, dropped out of upgrading for university a total of 4 times, rent out a single room, no car. Guess what? Thats the deal breaker. She says she dosent want to be in a relationship with me because of my situation. I called her out on it and that's how i know. I understand that she wants a guy at the same stage in life, someone with their s**t togeather...so im trying my best not to shame her over this.

She knows I was born with autism and have obsessive compulsive disorder. She also knows I'm medicated. She says that this is all "intriguing". Before she knew any of this she mentioned I'm unlike any guy shes ever met.

What can i do to solidify a relationship with this girl? We are in limbo, texting a few times a day, calling every second day, meeting up sporadically. She obviously likes me alot. She said it herself and shes always complementing me. "smart" "hot" "insightful" "knowledgeable" "spontaneous" "calculated" "kissable" are typical of the things she keeps saying.

I am so confused.

I know if this fails i will have to start lying to my next dates about my career and possibly mental health.

I do not want this to fail. I'm trying hard but at the same time trying to keep my self respect. What are some things i could do in the short term? I already told her im going back to school to upgrade chemistry courses and that my current job is just temporary and my next job i will make $20+ an hour. But this hasn't seemed to help much...she still said she dosent want to be in a relationship.

She says she will continue to be straight up and honest with me. We are both talking to eachother like adults. I've told her exactly how i feel about her "standards" and tried to explain that my professional situation has nothing to do with who i acctually am. But there is no explaining this to prehistoric evolutionary hardwiring...hardwiring that says a man has to be a provider and must have status in the world.

It's a difficult and frustrating situation for me.

What to do next?



Here's whatcha gotta do: Focus on working hard, saving money, studying hard, and advancing your career. Avoid dating altogether and try as best you can to forget her. The way to forget about her is to cease all communication and focus exclusively on your classes when you're not at work. It's not an easy situation and I realize this kind of thing makes you feel insecure. But you have to keep going because there is a way out but you're not going to get immediate results.



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15 Jan 2015, 7:43 pm

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
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There's this girl who checks off every box for me. Thin, beautiful, calm demeanor, smart, eats healthy, exercises often. My dream girl. Someone i would be in a long term relationship without a second thought. Our time together has been wonderful. We stare at eachother for hours, we talk for hours, we cuddle for hours, we've already had sex. I'm 27 she is 26 years old.

Here's the issue though. I make just above mimimum wage, dropped out of upgrading for university a total of 4 times, rent out a single room, no car. Guess what? Thats the deal breaker. She says she dosent want to be in a relationship with me because of my situation. I called her out on it and that's how i know. I understand that she wants a guy at the same stage in life, someone with their s**t togeather...so im trying my best not to shame her over this.

She knows I was born with autism and have obsessive compulsive disorder. She also knows I'm medicated. She says that this is all "intriguing". Before she knew any of this she mentioned I'm unlike any guy shes ever met.

What can i do to solidify a relationship with this girl? We are in limbo, texting a few times a day, calling every second day, meeting up sporadically. She obviously likes me alot. She said it herself and shes always complementing me. "smart" "hot" "insightful" "knowledgeable" "spontaneous" "calculated" "kissable" are typical of the things she keeps saying.

I am so confused.

I know if this fails i will have to start lying to my next dates about my career and possibly mental health.

I do not want this to fail. I'm trying hard but at the same time trying to keep my self respect. What are some things i could do in the short term? I already told her im going back to school to upgrade chemistry courses and that my current job is just temporary and my next job i will make $20+ an hour. But this hasn't seemed to help much...she still said she dosent want to be in a relationship.

She says she will continue to be straight up and honest with me. We are both talking to eachother like adults. I've told her exactly how i feel about her "standards" and tried to explain that my professional situation has nothing to do with who i acctually am. But there is no explaining this to prehistoric evolutionary hardwiring...hardwiring that says a man has to be a provider and must have status in the world.

It's a difficult and frustrating situation for me.

What to do next?



Here's whatcha gotta do: Focus on working hard, saving money, studying hard, and advancing your career. Avoid dating altogether and try as best you can to forget her. The way to forget about her is to cease all communication and focus exclusively on your classes when you're not at work. It's not an easy situation and I realize this kind of thing makes you feel insecure. But you have to keep going because there is a way out but you're not going to get immediate results.


To late shes a good friend now, well my only friend...will see where it goes. It's nice to not care anymore though.



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15 Jan 2015, 10:03 pm

SIDWULF wrote:
There's this girl who checks off every box for me. Thin, beautiful, calm demeanor, smart, eats healthy, exercises often. My dream girl. Someone i would be in a long term relationship without a second thought. Our time together has been wonderful. We stare at eachother for hours, we talk for hours, we cuddle for hours, we've already had sex. I'm 27 she is 26 years old.

Here's the issue though. I make just above mimimum wage, dropped out of upgrading for university a total of 4 times, rent out a single room, no car. Guess what? Thats the deal breaker. She says she dosent want to be in a relationship with me because of my situation. I called her out on it and that's how i know. I understand that she wants a guy at the same stage in life, someone with their s**t togeather...so im trying my best not to shame her over this.

She knows I was born with autism and have obsessive compulsive disorder. She also knows I'm medicated. She says that this is all "intriguing". Before she knew any of this she mentioned I'm unlike any guy shes ever met.

What can i do to solidify a relationship with this girl? We are in limbo, texting a few times a day, calling every second day, meeting up sporadically. She obviously likes me alot. She said it herself and shes always complementing me. "smart" "hot" "insightful" "knowledgeable" "spontaneous" "calculated" "kissable" are typical of the things she keeps saying.

I am so confused.

I know if this fails i will have to start lying to my next dates about my career and possibly mental health.

I do not want this to fail. I'm trying hard but at the same time trying to keep my self respect. What are some things i could do in the short term? I already told her im going back to school to upgrade chemistry courses and that my current job is just temporary and my next job i will make $20+ an hour. But this hasn't seemed to help much...she still said she dosent want to be in a relationship.

She says she will continue to be straight up and honest with me. We are both talking to eachother like adults. I've told her exactly how i feel about her "standards" and tried to explain that my professional situation has nothing to do with who i acctually am. But there is no explaining this to prehistoric evolutionary hardwiring...hardwiring that says a man has to be a provider and must have status in the world.

It's a difficult and frustrating situation for me.

What to do next?


Your dream girl knows what she is looking for and has kindly, honestly & clearly told you that you aren't it. Whether you think is right or wrong is irrelevant -- it's what SHE wants and arguing with her about "prehistoric evolutionary wiring" has clearly failed.

So your viable options are more or less limited to the following:
1) accept what she's willing to offer (no official relationship, occasional sex)
2) be just friends
3) move on

If she wanted to be with you, she would be with you -- she doesn't. Twisting yourself into what you think she wants is LIKELY to be soul-destroying and unlikely to be successful... but go tilt at windmills if it floats your boat!



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16 Jan 2015, 12:32 am

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What to do next?


What are you willing to do? How much time will she wait for?

I live & work near you. A couple short years ago I was in really rough shape with very strong symptoms, unemployed & unemployable to be honest. Then I met the right people and learned the things I needed to in order to treat my symptoms via diet/supplements/herbs/probiotics. I shared my story here on WP last January (2014) about how much my life had changed for having done this. Those dark days now seem but a distant memory. I've been working for the last year and a half or so & am up a significant amount of cash & stocks. I basically have my sh*t together. Sure, I drive a $50 car :lol: but whatever; priorities. Anyways, I've gone from unemployable and undatable to having my life together pretty good annnnnd more datable than ever.

Anyways, if you're interested in reading what I've done that's made all the difference in the world for me - as I'm living a second life for it - PM me an email address and I'll share. Obviously we live close to one another. If you'd care to meet me in real life I'd be willing to meet up and chat.

Obviously things take time, though. It's not a quick fix. It requires patience and persistence and hard work, but over time it's been more and more worth doing, IMO. It may or may not work for you as it has me. It may or may not work fast enough to save this relationship.. but if it does work for you as it has me, then the next time around that such an ideal partner comes along you'll be ready and able to be the guy she wants you to be.

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16 Jan 2015, 2:37 am

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^^^Then she should start dating older guys, with this economy crap it might be hard to find 27 year olds who have their s**t together already.
I don't really see how a relationship would last long term even if you are succesful now: what if you have a good job now but lose it at some point in the future, will she just move on to the next wealthy guy?


There are plenty of 27 year olds with their s**t together already around here. We also have the highest rate of adult children still living at home with their parents - in part because it's the 2nd least affordable real estate market on the face of the Earth (next to Hong Kong), and in part because of Asian collectivist culture families who's kids tend to stay living with their parents.

Um, the same way any relationship that lasts long term does? By that "what if" logic, no relationships would ever last.. and that simply isn't true. There are many couples that remain together long term. Also, people who tend to have good jobs tend to be the types of people who can go out and get themselves another good job should something go South with the one they have.


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16 Jan 2015, 3:43 am

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To late shes a good friend now, well my only friend...will see where it goes. It's nice to not care anymore though.



Well in that case, just stay friends and nothing more. But srsly, do not give up on your long term goals of getting your degree and getting a better job. :!:

That needs to be your #1 priority right now. NOT romance.



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16 Jan 2015, 5:10 am

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To late shes a good friend now, well my only friend...will see where it goes. It's nice to not care anymore though.



Well in that case, just stay friends and nothing more. But srsly, do not give up on your long term goals of getting your degree and getting a better job. :!:

That needs to be your #1 priority right now. NOT romance.



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16 Jan 2015, 10:59 am

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^^^Then she should start dating older guys, with this economy crap it might be hard to find 27 year olds who have their s**t together already.
I don't really see how a relationship would last long term even if you are succesful now: what if you have a good job now but lose it at some point in the future, will she just move on to the next wealthy guy?


There are plenty of 27 year olds with their s**t together already around here. We also have the highest rate of adult children still living at home with their parents - in part because it's the 2nd least affordable real estate market on the face of the Earth (next to Hong Kong), and in part because of Asian collectivist culture families who's kids tend to stay living with their parents.

Um, the same way any relationship that lasts long term does? By that "what if" logic, no relationships would ever last.. and that simply isn't true. There are many couples that remain together long term. Also, people who tend to have good jobs tend to be the types of people who can go out and get themselves another good job should something go South with the one they have.


When someone makes it this clear that the partner's career is more important than the partner as a person, I don't see why such a relationship would last if the career goes sour.
Some people may call it collectivist culture, I just call it snobbism. The whole idea of "marrying up" instead of marrying the person you want is pretty close to golddiggery.



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16 Jan 2015, 1:08 pm

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^^^Then she should start dating older guys, with this economy crap it might be hard to find 27 year olds who have their s**t together already.
I don't really see how a relationship would last long term even if you are succesful now: what if you have a good job now but lose it at some point in the future, will she just move on to the next wealthy guy?


There are plenty of 27 year olds with their s**t together already around here. We also have the highest rate of adult children still living at home with their parents - in part because it's the 2nd least affordable real estate market on the face of the Earth (next to Hong Kong), and in part because of Asian collectivist culture families who's kids tend to stay living with their parents.

Um, the same way any relationship that lasts long term does? By that "what if" logic, no relationships would ever last.. and that simply isn't true. There are many couples that remain together long term. Also, people who tend to have good jobs tend to be the types of people who can go out and get themselves another good job should something go South with the one they have.


When someone makes it this clear that the partner's career is more important than the partner as a person, I don't see why such a relationship would last if the career goes sour.
Some people may call it collectivist culture, I just call it snobbism. The whole idea of "marrying up" instead of marrying the person you want is pretty close to golddiggery.


Maybe you're correct if someone places a really high value on career in terms of attraction.

Not sure how collectivist culture = snobbism?? Collectivist cultures live & work together as a family unit vs. every child moving out and being independent. Not sure how that = snobbism??

Maybe, maybe not. Wanting to be with someone with a career vs. no career isn't necessarily golddiggery. It may just mean they want to be with someone stable w/ the financial means to contribute to a lifestyle they see themselves in vs. wanting to get rich via marriage. Also, who are you to say that "marrying up" isn't marrying the person they want? That may be what she wants.

Back to the OP, when you said your next job would pay $20+/hr and she still said she wouldn't want to be in a relationship with you.. well, if it's about earning potential - maybe she doesn't see herself with someone earning a basic working class income? Maybe it is about $ and she's seeking a six figure+ earner. But then again, maybe it's you. (and/or your ASD traits) Maybe no matter your income she wouldn't want to spend her life with you and she's just using income/career as a way to gently reject you?


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16 Jan 2015, 1:55 pm

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^^^Then she should start dating older guys, with this economy crap it might be hard to find 27 year olds who have their s**t together already.
I don't really see how a relationship would last long term even if you are succesful now: what if you have a good job now but lose it at some point in the future, will she just move on to the next wealthy guy?


There are plenty of 27 year olds with their s**t together already around here. We also have the highest rate of adult children still living at home with their parents - in part because it's the 2nd least affordable real estate market on the face of the Earth (next to Hong Kong), and in part because of Asian collectivist culture families who's kids tend to stay living with their parents.

Um, the same way any relationship that lasts long term does? By that "what if" logic, no relationships would ever last.. and that simply isn't true. There are many couples that remain together long term. Also, people who tend to have good jobs tend to be the types of people who can go out and get themselves another good job should something go South with the one they have.


When someone makes it this clear that the partner's career is more important than the partner as a person, I don't see why such a relationship would last if the career goes sour.
Some people may call it collectivist culture, I just call it snobbism. The whole idea of "marrying up" instead of marrying the person you want is pretty close to golddiggery.


One of my closest friends (and former coworker) was very right about this in his questing in seeking the right one, he's a senior graphic designer and he makes good money from job and from freelance work.

He was used to observe the girls' attitudes he dates, in late stages, especially when it comes to their attitude toward money; he was used to throw provoking questions regarding this matter too, one of the questions was "If one day I lose my job and I found a hard time to make money, will you stick with me?" - his wife now was the girl who said she loves him and will stick with him no matter what (despite the fact that she was still a junior teacher and college student too) - I recall the day he told me about her answer and he said "she's really the best one I've ever met" .

And that what really happened, our employer went into a sudden bankruptcy, we all lost our jobs for a while - this guy stayed unemployed for 8 months with debts, she sticked to him all the time, they had a baby soon after he worked again. While two other marriages (two male coworkers) ended within the same time.


What many don't understand, that the "she may just want me for money" is a common men fear when dating, we are so paranoid of it, it is the strikingly equivalent of "he may just want me for sex" 's common fear of women.



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16 Jan 2015, 1:59 pm

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Maybe you're correct if someone places a really high value on career in terms of attraction.

Not sure how collectivist culture = snobbism?? Collectivist cultures live & work together as a family unit vs. every child moving out and being independent. Not sure how that = snobbism??


If parents are embarrassed when their child marries a poor person, that is snobbism. I'm talking about the people who dismiss their children's potential partner because of being of a lower status.



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One of my closest friends (and former coworker) was very right about this in his questing in seeking the right one, he's a senior graphic designer and he makes good money from job and from freelance work.

He was used to observe the girls' attitudes he dates, in late stages, especially when it comes to their attitude toward money; he was used to throw provoking questions regarding this matter too, one of the questions was "If one day I lose my job and I found a hard time to make money, will you stick with me?" - his wife now was the girl who said she loves him and will stick with him no matter what (despite the fact that she was still a junior teacher and college student too) - I recall the day he told me about her answer and he said "she's really the best one I've ever met" .

And that what really happened, our employer went into a sudden bankruptcy, we all lost our jobs for a while - this guy stayed unemployed for 8 months with debts, she sticked to him all the time, they had a baby soon after he worked again. While two other marriages (two male coworkers) ended within the same time.


What many don't understand, that the "she may just want me for money" is a common men fear when dating, we are so paranoid of it, it is the strikingly equivalent of "he may just want me for sex" 's common fear of women.


Dress like a bum to avoid women getting attracted to you for your money 8)
Although the way he asks it, "will you stay with me if...", won't most girls be smart enough to give the desirable answer? If doubt many are stupid enough to say "no, I'll leave you for a rich guy".



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16 Jan 2015, 2:45 pm

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Funny, it is considered very rude between people here too, except from woman to man in courting, only in this case she's viewed as "she knows what she wants" instead of rude.


Well, isn’t it true? :)

I wonder what it actually means to want a woman just for sex. I think anything enjoyable you do together can fall into that category.


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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

One of my closest friends (and former coworker) was very right about this in his questing in seeking the right one, he's a senior graphic designer and he makes good money from job and from freelance work.

He was used to observe the girls' attitudes he dates, in late stages, especially when it comes to their attitude toward money; he was used to throw provoking questions regarding this matter too, one of the questions was "If one day I lose my job and I found a hard time to make money, will you stick with me?" - his wife now was the girl who said she loves him and will stick with him no matter what (despite the fact that she was still a junior teacher and college student too) - I recall the day he told me about her answer and he said "she's really the best one I've ever met" .

And that what really happened, our employer went into a sudden bankruptcy, we all lost our jobs for a while - this guy stayed unemployed for 8 months with debts, she sticked to him all the time, they had a baby soon after he worked again. While two other marriages (two male coworkers) ended within the same time.


What many don't understand, that the "she may just want me for money" is a common men fear when dating, we are so paranoid of it, it is the strikingly equivalent of "he may just want me for sex" 's common fear of women.


Dress like a bum to avoid women getting attracted to you for your money 8)
Although the way he asks it, "will you stay with me if...", won't most girls be smart enough to give the desirable answer? If doubt many are stupid enough to say "no, I'll leave you for a rich guy".



Haha of course she won't be dumb enough to say that however, I recall well this conversation with him about this little test, a girl caring for the guy's status would would react quickly with something like "why are you asking this?! you lost your job?!" /"Do you think you're gonna lose your job??!", "why would this even happen??" most answers were questions of suspect, and most reacted intensively body-wise and even in tone, remember he's NT and he's one of those people who are really good in reading people.

His wife was the only girl whom her first reaction was different, she didn't answer it with a question or investigation, she didn't make any physical reaction, she said it outright, in her usual tone, that she won't leave him and she explained why, and that's why she was the winner. That's a girl, my buddy, who had a genuine love toward him for him, for his person not for his career path.



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16 Jan 2015, 5:02 pm

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I've been asked on first dates how much is my salary (literally I was asked: "how much is your salary"/"how much you earn?").
Middle eastern girls aren't much different than Asians, Turk girls seem to care less about this thing tho, at least in my perspective and little experience them.

The area we call the "Middle East" is South West Asia. (You sometimes find people there called "Orientals", even though the term is more commonly used for Chinese, Koreans and Japanese people.)
Turkey is partly in Asia and partly in Europe (as is The Russian Federation.)


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Where I am from, it is seen as INCREDIBLY rude to ask for someones salary unless you are very very very close with them.

Very much depends on culture.
Though I have seen it being a fairly common on the "structured" section of dating site profiles. Which are typically either North America or Western Europe based.