How to choose between two girls?

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10 Apr 2015, 7:49 pm

So, the consensus here seems to be that the shy, agreeable girl would be best. You seem to agree with that and based on what I've read I agree. As for how to initiate a relationship, I'm afraid I'm in no position to be giving advice. I've had terrible luck with asking girls out. I don't do anything embarrassing mind you, I usually just end up with a female friend who I feel kind of awkward around for a while.

It's good that you know what she's interested in. I never personally understood the appeal when it came to Canada. I live just a relatively short drive from the border and it's basically the same as the U.S. except they're on the metric system and just a little bit more socialist (though the difference is far more slight than most people make it sound). It's not a bad place at all, just one that I've never heard of anybody being so entranced by it. Of course, it may just seem mundane to me because it's always been so close. Not that I've travelled all over Canada (or the U.S. for that matter). Just dipped my toes in British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest. I'd offer to see if I could get a Canadian license plate or something from my uncle Will and send it to you to give to her, but that could be an awkward process.

Something that I always struggle (and often fail) to bring myself to do is actually tell someone when I have romantic feelings for her. If you want things to progress in that direction, you're going to have to tell her at some point. I know how terrifying it is to face the potential for rejection, but just think of what you stand to gain if things go well :) Also, if she's as nice as you make her sound the potential for it to really bit you in the ass is fairly minimal. Something that I've learned from a couple of an ever increasing number of female friends I once had romantic feelings for is that someone can recover from something like that if it turns out she isn't interested. A couple times now I've grown close to a girl, expressed feelings for her, found that she didn't reciprocate those feelings, then just pretended like it didn't ever happen afterwards. It'll be a bit awkward for a while, but a lot of girls will forget about something like that if you just continue to act as you always have.

Good luck and let us know how things go.



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10 Apr 2015, 8:56 pm

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It gets quite cold there--sometimes below minus 40 Celsius.
That would explain it. She said she hates the heat (another thing we have in common).
LocksAndLiqueur wrote:
I know how terrifying it is to face the potential for rejection
Yeah, that's why I was tempted to resume things with the girl from Sydney. It wouldn't be starting a relationship, it would be resuming one. Less scary that way but I think she might not be good for me.
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If you want things to progress in that direction, you're going to have to tell her at some point.
Yeah, I know I will at some point, it's just my question to the forum is; Should I wait a while before asking her out?


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10 Apr 2015, 8:58 pm

You should establish a friendship first.



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10 Apr 2015, 9:43 pm

That makes sense. I want to establish a friendship with her outside of scheduled events. I have a habit of doing much of my socializing at such events and I have a feeling she does too. If I could come up with some kind of platonic sounding excuse to see her outside of the lodge than I could gradually ease into friendship with her.

I'd want to friend her on Facebook as well. That would help so I'd have some means of communicating with her other than seeing her at the lodge once per week (assuming she becomes a regular). The trouble is, I don't know her last name :)


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10 Apr 2015, 9:48 pm

What sort of "lodge" is this, anyway?



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10 Apr 2015, 9:53 pm

Just ask her to go for a coffee! For heaven sake, you're not asking her to marry you.
And forget about the Sydney girl. She doesn't respect you.

I live in Kingston, Ontario. It's beautiful here (not in the winter.) On the shore of Lake Ontario (one of the great lakes.) Lots of restaurants, the Grand Theatre, a half hour from cottage country. Halfway between Toronto and Montreal (both interesting cities.) Not to mention Ottawa, the capital of Canada. And the 1000 islands. Plus we have an airport with flights to Toronto.



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10 Apr 2015, 10:07 pm

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What sort of "lodge" is this, anyway?
It's a Seventh Day Adventist church populated mostly by people who aren't Seventh Day Adventists (though most of the staff are). Every Thursday the serve the most excellent vegetarian food, which is consumed mostly be people who aren't vegetarians. They have it in their hall, not the actual church.

I've been going there for about two years, ever since I stumbled across it while looking for a long lost Seventh Day Adventist friend (who I eventually found on a farm).
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Just ask her to go for a coffee! For heaven sake, you're not asking her to marry you.
And forget about the Sydney girl. She doesn't respect you.

I live in Kingston, Ontario. It's beautiful here (not in the winter.) On the shore of Lake Ontario (one of the great lakes.) Lots of restaurants, the Grand Theatre, a half hour from cottage country. Halfway between Toronto and Montreal (both interesting cities.) Not to mention Ottawa, the capital of Canada. And the 1000 islands. Plus we have an airport with flights to Toronto.
I'd love to see some of those old mansions on the thousand islands.

I guess asking her out for coffee wouldn't hurt. At least that way it's ambiguous and I have plausible deniability but... My most successful dates have been the ones where the girl new it was really a date. All the times I tried to make it seem like I was just being friendly, the girl reacted badly when she found out it was really meant to be a date.

Now the next question is, how to overcome the touch barrier with someone who doesn't like being touched?

It might seem like a trivial thing but I've learned in a string of dates that it's something that can't be ignored. Girls have told me they thought I didn't like them when I just sat across from them but when I took a more hands on approach they were more reciprocal. For women it's an important part of pair bonding... for most women... but not this one?

Does anyone here have knowledge of hypersensitivity and how to deal with such things? She didn't actually say she can't be touched, only that she's "sensitive to touch and sound and smell".


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10 Apr 2015, 10:29 pm

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I'd love to see some of those old mansions on the thousand islands.

The limestone architecture in Kingston is lovely.

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I guess asking her out for coffee wouldn't hurt. At least that way it's ambiguous and I have plausible deniability but... My most successful dates have been the ones where the girl new it was really a date. All the times I tried to make it seem like I was just being friendly, the girl reacted badly when she found out it was really meant to be a date.

There's no way to know how she feels until you spend time with her. If coffee goes well, suggest going to dinner or whatever becomes appropriate.

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Now the next question is, how to overcome the touch barrier with someone who doesn't like being touched?

You may be jumping the gun a little. Spending time with her will allow you to observe her behaviour. This may not even end up being a problem. But again, you can only learn this over time.



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10 Apr 2015, 11:55 pm

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Does anyone here have knowledge of hypersensitivity and how to deal with such things? She didn't actually say she can't be touched, only that she's "sensitive to touch and sound and smell".



Just ask her about her sensitivities. It will give you something to talk about, and allow you to better understand her. For me personally, I don't like someone that cames up from behind me, or touches me unexpectedily (picture a skittish animal), but I actually don't mind the touching part of it. Also, I can't tolerate strong scents and odors from manmade chemicals too long, because they will give me a headache.



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11 Apr 2015, 4:07 pm

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Yet? How does she become a choice?


You don't know if she's willing to date you yet.



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11 Apr 2015, 5:27 pm

No I don't. I have one girl that might be better for me (mentally stable) and another girl who I already know is willing to date me, move in, marry me, etc and I already know she's more sexually liberal whereas, shy-girl might be, shy, and/or hypersensative to touch.

I think since the girl in Sydney will remain in Sydney for a few months more, this gives me some time to get to know the shy girl a bit better so she'll be less of a mystery.

Actually, the girl in Sydney has been giving me the cold shoulder lately for some reason...


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11 Apr 2015, 10:41 pm

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My ex wants me back. She wants to come back to Adelaide and be with me. I still have feelings for her. But I remember how crazy she was, how impulsive she was. How she said she wanted to marry me the day after she met and then six weeks later she'd just move to Sydney without warning.

And all the time in-between she'd alternate between declaring her love for me, threatening to leave me and crying at me because I said the wrong thing. I still have feelings for her but I think it would be good for me to be with a girl who's more stable and consistent.

Last week there was this girl at the lodge. I'd met her two or three times at the community center but this was the first time she'd come to the lodge. This was the first time I'd gotten to have a proper conversation with her.

She's nice. She's kind of shy but that only made her more endearing to me. She's not one to make discussions on impulse. She has cutest laugh where she scrunches up her whole face and body. She's skinny and small and cute, like a pixie, even though she's a year older than me.

I could ask her out sometime. It's just a bit awkward with her mum there. She goes everywhere with her mum. She still lives with her mum even though she's 28. Not that her mum hates me. Her mum said she really missed seeing me at the community center since I got my new job.

They said they would come back to the lodge. So now I'm thinking, how do I ask out a shy girl? Should I wait a longer time? Should I become friends first and then ask her out?

With girls in general I've always been bad making the transition from friend to dating. Is there a proper way to know when the time is right or do I just have to make a leap of faith?

Anyway, the girl I was dating before said she wants to stay in Sydney for a few more months before returning. She says she's saving up for new furniture, which she wants to put in my apartment because she doesn't like mine. Also saving up for bond for a better apartment because she doesn't like that either. :x I like my apartment and I like my furniture.

She says she wants a two bedroom apartment so she can have her own room. Not her own bedroom, her own computer room. She says sometimes she needs time to herself (I don't blame her for that, we all do).

This new girl? She says she doesn't like loud noises or strong smells like perfume. She says she has hypersensitivity in all five senses. She says she doesn't like being touched. That could make intimacy impossible (also her shyness). Whereas the girl I was dating before was more sexually liberal.

:chin: Girl-from-before was a few years younger and appealed to my Asian fetish. New-girl is a year older than me and not Asian but she's much skinnier and cuter.

Most importantly, new-girl is more stable and consistent. She may be shy but she's not crazy like the other girl was.

Advice please?




FLIP A C0IN

The new girl = heads, the ex = tails. Problem solved.



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12 Apr 2015, 6:50 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
You should establish a friendship first.
I completely disagree with this advice. If you want to date her, you should be up front about it. If she doesn't want to date you, it could be for a number of reasons that might be deal-breakers including the possibility she has "issues" that make the girl currently living in Sydney seem a model of psychiatric health in comparison.

At least for women in their late 20s, the idea of "taking it slow" or "giving it time" is simply advice given teenagers with the goal to prevent them from having sex. In my experience, any girl who ever told me she wanted to "take things slow" just wasn't interested.


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12 Apr 2015, 8:36 am

MaxE wrote:
If you want to date her, you should be up front about it.
Then could it be too late already? The lodge doesn't resume for a fortnight.
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If she doesn't want to date you, it could be for a number of reasons that might be deal-breakers including the possibility she has "issues" that make the girl currently living in Sydney seem a model of psychiatric health in comparison.
I can only speculate about her mental health but it's been my experience that there's no correlation between having issues and being unwilling to date. In same cases the crazy ones are more than willing to date (unfortunately). I could befriend her first or start dating her right away but either way it will take me longer before I know whether or not she has issues.
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any girl who ever told me she wanted to "take things slow" just wasn't interested.
Maybe so but this girl didn't actually say those words to me or anything to that effect. Actually one of the reasons I started this thread was to find out if I should take it slow, not to say that she indicated she wanted to take it slow. As for whether or not she showed interest, I'm not sure.

She seemed to be very engaged with our conversation but I wasn't sure if she was trying to show interest or if she was just being friendly. Based on her percieved nievity, she might be a greenhorn at this but again, this is only speculation.


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MaxE wrote:
If you want to date her, you should be up front about it.
Then could it be too late already? The lodge doesn't resume for a fortnight.
I just mean the next time you see her. You should be allowed a bit of time to screw up your courage.
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MaxE wrote:
If she doesn't want to date you, it could be for a number of reasons that might be deal-breakers including the possibility she has "issues" that make the girl currently living in Sydney seem a model of psychiatric health in comparison.
I can only speculate about her mental health but it's been my experience that there's no correlation between having issues and being unwilling to date. In same cases the crazy ones are more than willing to date (unfortunately). I could befriend her first or start dating her right away but either way it will take me longer before I know whether or not she has issues.
I suppose I was a bit loose with the term "mental health" but the business about touch sensitivity concerns me if it's serious enough to exclude dating in the normal sense. At least where I come from "dating" involves some degree of sexual affection unless possibly if you're a Mormon. TBH I did actually once date a schizophrenic, in fact she told me she was when she first introduced herself to me. Her mental health was inarguably in the toilet but it didn't stop her from dating me. Plus my wife has been on antidepressants from the beginning, except when trying to conceive, and bearing children.
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MaxE wrote:
any girl who ever told me she wanted to "take things slow" just wasn't interested.
Maybe so but this girl didn't actually say those words to me or anything to that effect. Actually one of the reasons I started this thread was to find out if I should take it slow, not to say that she indicated she wanted to take it slow. As for whether or not she showed interest, I'm not sure.

She seemed to be very engaged with our conversation but I wasn't sure if she was trying to show interest or if she was just being friendly. Based on her percieved nievity, she might be a greenhorn at this but again, this is only speculation.
I just meant to say that I think that in one's late 20s "taking it slow" makes no sense and serves no purpose. As for "just being friendly" the odds are quite high. That's why you have to directly ask her for a date, only way to know for certain.


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...I did actually once date a schizophrenic, in fact she told me she was when she first introduced herself to me. Her mental health was inarguably in the toilet but it didn't stop her from dating me...
I feel compelled to add that I am not the least bit sorry I dated her nor was I taking advantage of her in any way, in fact more the other way around. She basically wanted a sex partner but she certainly liked me as well. The relationship ended for a number of reasons which include bad timing plus at that age I didn't want to commit myself to someone six years older, plus she probably didn't consider herself "wife material" due to her illness (not to say I'd agree with that).

To digress, the girl who currently resides in Sydney, she seems to have some haters on this forum but she seems way more normal to me than others have suggested. I think it takes a better understanding of NT women to recognize how relatively normal some of her behavior has been. Plus she seems really into you and if you weren't also into her to a fair degree I think you'd have dumped her conclusively without needing the opinion of others.


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