Is finding someone attractive Objectification?

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10 Dec 2015, 12:04 pm

objectification is a very easy concept. objects are acted upon and subjects are actors. finding someone physically attractive is not really the issue here, it's the underlying thought process that may or may not be objectification.



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10 Dec 2015, 1:36 pm

It seems to be objectification only if you're not attractive enough yourself.


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10 Dec 2015, 1:50 pm

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Objectification is a dangerous thing and one reason why so many people commit horrible acts against themselves, other people, animals, and the earth itself.


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10 Dec 2015, 2:34 pm

I always thought objectification was when you didn't consider the person, the way you'd like or own a painting but it doesn't have feelings, rights, or boundaries.



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10 Dec 2015, 2:37 pm

^Exactly. That's what I always thought, too. Does it not mean what we think it means? :?


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10 Dec 2015, 3:08 pm

Kuraudo777 wrote:
^Exactly. That's what I always thought, too. Does it not mean what we think it means? :?


that is exactly what it means.

I think insisting it is about physical attraction is just a way for people to excuse themselves from it because physical attraction is not actually a bad thing by itself.



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10 Dec 2015, 4:19 pm

Malaise wrote:
I always thought objectification was when you didn't consider the person, the way you'd like or own a painting but it doesn't have feelings, rights, or boundaries.

Yup.


Some people like being objectified, both men and women, but that's something that should only exist between consenting adults.


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11 Dec 2015, 6:05 am

cavernio wrote:
Malaise wrote:
I always thought objectification was when you didn't consider the person, the way you'd like or own a painting but it doesn't have feelings, rights, or boundaries.

Yup.


Some people like being objectified, both men and women, but that's something that should only exist between consenting adults.



A lot of people actually *do* like being objectified by someone they find attractive. Spiderpig said it best: It's only "objectification" when the object of your desire does not feel the same way about you. However, this feminist nonsense about objectification, particularly when it comes to a mans sexual interest in a woman who doesn't share his interest, has a lot to do with thought policing. They mistakenly believe that unrequited lust is a prelude to rape.



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11 Dec 2015, 6:37 am

The other day, I saw a young woman with a marvelous face. She had facial features from the high plains of Andes Mountains. There is nothing wrong with finding beauty in another person.


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11 Dec 2015, 1:40 pm

Many people seek objectification as a means of approval and that is a dangerous game to play because sometimes, we can mistake objectification and lust for love.. Should you feel guilty for having desire towards someone else? Of course not, that is human nature.

The danger comes when you favour objectification over everything else.



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11 Dec 2015, 2:59 pm

seaweed wrote:
objectification is a very easy concept. objects are acted upon and subjects are actors. finding someone physically attractive is not really the issue here, it's the underlying thought process that may or may not be objectification.


Right you are, I think it's a kind of wave state. Almost everybody predicates that attraction on somewhat transient & usually invisible factors first anyway. Usually if my friends objectify me it's part of some funny tangent.


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11 Dec 2015, 3:09 pm

AR1500 wrote:
cavernio wrote:
Malaise wrote:
I always thought objectification was when you didn't consider the person, the way you'd like or own a painting but it doesn't have feelings, rights, or boundaries.

Yup.


Some people like being objectified, both men and women, but that's something that should only exist between consenting adults.



A lot of people actually *do* like being objectified by someone they find attractive. Spiderpig said it best: It's only "objectification" when the object of your desire does not feel the same way about you. However, this feminist nonsense about objectification, particularly when it comes to a mans sexual interest in a woman who doesn't share his interest, has a lot to do with thought policing. They mistakenly believe that unrequited lust is a prelude to rape.


I'd think it would be bothersome even from someone you find attractive. I find my boyfriend attractive and I certainly would not want to be reduced to simply something to look at and put his penis in, in his mind at any time. But of course I really only see objectification of removing the human factor from a person in your mind and seeing them as nothing more than a pleasure/sex object. But yeah not sure everyone defines objectification the same way.

I don't see how it is objectifying to be sexually attracted to someone I mean how do you help it if you see someone and you have a physiological feeling implying said attraction? As for rape I think that is strictly forced sex I certainly don't buy into thinking such as: 'if you've lusted after a woman than you've mentally raped them' though I have heard things like that.


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11 Dec 2015, 5:18 pm

One only rapes somebody when one actually rapes somebody.

You can't "mentally rape" anybody.

Jimmy Carter once said that he committed "adultery of the heart."

But he didn't commit adultery.



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11 Dec 2015, 5:38 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
One only rapes somebody when one actually rapes somebody.

You can't "mentally rape" anybody.

Jimmy Carter once said that he committed "adultery of the heart."

But he didn't commit adultery.


Exactly, hence why that notion has always perplexed and irritated me when I've heard it. I mean pretty sure someone forcing themself on someone is a little different than someone having the thought 'oh if given the opportunity I'd have sex with them.' but having no intention whatsoever of forcing it or pressuring them.


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11 Dec 2015, 5:55 pm

Objectification happens in sex, it's like the aim, he/she doesn't see you, only what they imagine. Mind wanders.


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11 Dec 2015, 6:03 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
One only rapes somebody when one actually rapes somebody.

You can't "mentally rape" anybody.

Jimmy Carter once said that he committed "adultery of the heart."

But he didn't commit adultery.


Exactly, hence why that notion has always perplexed and irritated me when I've heard it. I mean pretty sure someone forcing themself on someone is a little different than someone having the thought 'oh if given the opportunity I'd have sex with them.' but having no intention whatsoever of forcing it or pressuring them.

Totally different things. To equate one with the other trivialises an actual assault.