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19 Apr 2016, 8:30 am

Woman: "Does this dress make me look fat?"

Man: 'No, the fat makes you look fat."


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19 Apr 2016, 9:08 am

Of course I've been criticized. And I didn't feel too good about it.

But....women (yes, owing to societal considerations) tend to feel this sort of criticism more acutely than men.

I'd rather err on the side of caution in these sorts of matters.



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19 Apr 2016, 11:34 am

Personally I don't think you should criticise anyone for their appearance unless the ask you too (for advice). Weight Is a sensitive topic for women because biologically we carry mpre fat and put on weight mpre easily.

Also in our brains weight = not being attractive which a lot of telly tell us is an important this for a woman. Alot Men can be a bit more more judgemental about apperance from what i have seen and experienced. This is especially painful to hear from a boyfriend or crush.

I guess women are a bit more emotional and I promise you its not fun and we honestly can't help it



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19 Apr 2016, 2:42 pm

^ Bur the thing is.... I see a lot of women have absolutely no qualms about criticizing men's looks/physical traits, especially on dating sites. And they don't seem to get backlash on that at all.

As I said, dates had criticized or commented negstively on my body, body hair, haircut, stature....
Ask hurtloam, I had shown her a chat screenshot from a date who did that not long ago :p.

all this under the label of honesty, I have never done that to anyone, ever.

Maybe because they think men don't get hurt emotionally much at that so they keep doing it?

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Alot Men can be a bit more more judgemental about apperance from what i have seen and experienced


In my personal experience and based on what I observe? It's completely the opposite.



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19 Apr 2016, 2:58 pm

Yeah I was shocked at how brutal she was.



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19 Apr 2016, 3:15 pm

That girl sound like she was a witch if you know what im saying. I have had alot of men criticise me for my looks even when i had barely spoken to them and found myself quite shocked and hurt so i see where you are coming from and am sorry you had to experience it. I suppose i was just seeing it from my own view :oops:



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19 Apr 2016, 3:25 pm

Oh no no...it's not just that girl, it's not a matter of one girl only.... it's almost EVERY date (except two from what I recall) I have gone out with had to say something something about my physique.

I am not doing a 'sweeping generalization' here based on an input I got from one girl.

Actually, I had shown hurtloam two screenshots by two girls (one who criticized brutely, the other one stated why she doesn't want to continue dating me because of a physical trait I have - and no, it's not related to the penis you perverts :lol: (which was less brutal than the first one))...but there were more, most been said to my face.

The thing is, unlike men, I don't see women hesitate to say what they hate about my body or about any guy's body loudly and rudely.



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19 Apr 2016, 5:26 pm

Alliekit wrote:
Also in our brains weight = not being attractive which a lot of telly tell us is an important this for a woman. Alot Men can be a bit more more judgemental about apperance from what i have seen and experienced. This is especially painful to hear from a boyfriend or crush.

I guess women are a bit more emotional and I promise you its not fun and we honestly can't help it


That is a statement that would make many feminists cringe. Just saying. I won't read to much into it as there is also hypocrisy in some requiring special treatment due to implied weakness/vulnerability, they just don't put it as directly like you. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are describing how some women feel.

Anyone can lack resilience and have insecurities, there are also planet of resilient people who can handle that. It is not possible to build resilience where these people expect to be treated with kid gloves.

I think the whole "don't discuss women's/weight: or age is really" more of a meme that has persisted. For most it is partly an inside joke and not intended to be taken all that seriously, especially if they are secure in themselves.

If this is supposedly to do with and driven by men, I would ask those that say that how are they so sure? Women don't need help comparing themselves to other women, and female competition is evident throughout the animal kingdom. Sometimes there is an assumed anthropology, which is no more credible than the other possibilities.

I made this point about the fashion industry. This is largely women objectifying women, as overwhelmingly the main consumers of those images, and a style totally different from stereotyped masculine sexuality.

Obviously context is important, but if the question is being asked and so much weighing on it (no pun intended), then it is a question which is clearly loaded.

..and no I wouldn't make of point of being too negative if someone asked that question. I would judge their character, if they are fishing for complements or genuinely want and answer. However if it dragged on I would consider it manipulative.



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19 Apr 2016, 5:57 pm

^ True on the fashion part, the fashion industry is ruled by women and gay men; it is not a straight man's world. It doesn't reflect general men's sexuality in any any shape and way (ie. most men don't like the super bony models).



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19 Apr 2016, 7:27 pm

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Woman: "Does this dress make me look fat?"
Man: 'No, the fat makes you look fat."

Jury: "We find the defendant 'Not Guilty by Reason of Temporary Insanity', your Honor."


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19 Apr 2016, 7:42 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
Also in our brains weight = not being attractive which a lot of telly tell us is an important this for a woman. Alot Men can be a bit more more judgemental about apperance from what i have seen and experienced. This is especially painful to hear from a boyfriend or crush.

I guess women are a bit more emotional and I promise you its not fun and we honestly can't help it


That is a statement that would make many feminists cringe. Just saying. I won't read to much into it as there is also hypocrisy in some requiring special treatment due to implied weakness/vulnerability, they just don't put it as directly like you. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are describing how some women feel.

Anyone can lack resilience and have insecurities, there are also planet of resilient people who can handle that. It is not possible to build resilience where these people expect to be treated with kid gloves.

I think the whole "don't discuss women's/weight: or age is really" more of a meme that has persisted. For most it is partly an inside joke and not intended to be taken all that seriously, especially if they are secure in themselves.


Being someone who has been bullied extensively by both sexes for my weight for alot of my life I do have a sensitivity to it. But in my previous post I was indeed talking of some women not all, I am working towards being one of those people who can have such confidence in themselves :)



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20 Apr 2016, 12:47 am

^^ Well, you're 21 only and you already have a boyfriend (and you had exes if not mistaken?) - a living proof that not all guys hate your weight.
Most adult men won't be that rude like the boys back in school.



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20 Apr 2016, 2:48 am

As if men don't have body issues as well!

It's just us males have to just deal with it, as it is actually considered socially acceptable by both men and women - whether it be being shorter than the average male height, having a smaller than average length/girth penis, being overweight, or being a skinny male who doesn't fit the 'muscular man' ideal the media keeps pushing onto us.

I completely agree with Boo's belief that it is socially acceptable for women to be open about their preferences while a male says anything and he is ostracized by Feminist's and other men alike.

Plenty of dating profiles may say 'I want a guy at least 6-foot' but a man saying 'I would like her to weigh no more than Xlbs' is considered wrong.

Also, I don't consider men to be extremely judgemental over a females appearance.

We do care significantly about looks, I'll give you that, but a lot of the things women strive towards I've noticed a lot of males, in my experiences, actually aren't attracted to.

Many of us don't actually like the 'stick-thin model' look at all and prefer curvier women, many of us like a woman who looks natural and does not wear makeup or minimizes it (though it's still your choice to wear it).

Most of the males with ridiculously high standards are typically single anyway.



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20 Apr 2016, 3:44 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ Well, you're 21 only and you already have a boyfriend (and you had exes if not mistaken?) - a living proof that not all guys hate your weight.
Most adult men won't be that rude like the boys back in school.


I have never had any exes, my boyfriend is my first and I met him when I was 19. Even when I was online dating I got some comments but I think they were mostly when I didn't reply in time for there liking



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20 Apr 2016, 3:46 am

^^ http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 94782.html

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And today I even read an article in which an anonymous woman cruelly documented her encounter with a short man. “Thank goodness I was sitting down at the bar when this little bundle walked up to the table I was waiting at,” she wrote. “This guy was teeny… I told him from the off that I was doing research on Tinder because I didn’t want him to make a move on me as I would surely burst out laughing.” I couldn’t believe what I was reading – such outrageous discrimination so needlessly displayed and openly tolerated.


Hmmm.....
Imagine what would happen to the internet if a guy said something like that about an obese date.


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But what especially vexes me is this double standard of women criticising and making fun of short men, then expecting them to tolerate all different types of weight (which isn't even a fixed state). For a man to openly reject a woman because he found her fat would be social suicide.

Yet for women to complain about a man’s height is fine, apparently. Hilarious, even. (And they call us the fairer sex…)


:lol: Spot on.


By the way, the last girl who rejected me for my height was so tiny herself.



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20 Apr 2016, 3:58 am

Outrider wrote:
As if men don't have body issues as well!

It's just us males have to just deal with it, as it is actually considered socially acceptable by both men and women - whether it be being shorter than the average male height, having a smaller than average length/girth penis, being overweight, or being a skinny male who doesn't fit the 'muscular man' ideal the media keeps pushing onto us.

I completely agree with Boo's belief that it is socially acceptable for women to be open about their preferences while a male says anything and he is ostracized by Feminist's and other men alike.

Plenty of dating profiles may say 'I want a guy at least 6-foot' but a man saying 'I would like her to weigh no more than Xlbs' is considered wrong.

Also, I don't consider men to be extremely judgemental over a females appearance.

We do care significantly about looks, I'll give you that, but a lot of the things women strive towards I've noticed a lot of males, in my experiences, actually aren't attracted to.

Many of us don't actually like the 'stick-thin model' look at all and prefer curvier women, many of us like a woman who looks natural and does not wear makeup or minimizes it (though it's still your choice to wear it).

Most of the males with ridiculously high standards are typically single anyway.


I get sick of people being over critical of one another -_- and I do agree with you about that men have issues too. I suppose if someone is sensitive about something it is a kindness to not attack that particular weak point :)